how hard is it to make a website?

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hi all

just curious as to how hard it actually is to design a website myself to learn the neccesary programing, html etc and how hard is it to use incorporate flash into website if i have a pretty good idea of what i want? does anyone know of any good tutorials?

thanks

lawless
 
How long is a piece of string? Depends on how willing you are to learn, how good at it you are, what you want to achieve, etc.

http://www.htmldog.com/ is a good place to start.
 
If you happen to use a Mac, then Rapidweaver is fantastic. Don't need to know much about HTML, and you can get loads of cool plugins to build some very funky pages.

Regardless of what system you use, you can use Jalbum, to build some online galleries. Using it is very simple. Just a case of setting up some folders containing your images, telling it where to find them, twiddle with the settings to get it how you want, and then click on make album. Then you just upload the files to your server.

You can see them both in action on my site :D

www.olivercoatsphotography.co.uk
 
dseered said:
I tried, I failed.

I then bought into www.photium.com and the world was a happy place again :)
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Are you sure you're not my long lost twin? :lol: I didn't have the time, patience or the necessary skills and inclination to build a site from scratch and I also use Photium for my equine work. I have used Clikpic in the past but I prefer Photium. For my wedding site I use BluDomain which uses templates to allow you to build an editable Flash site - if I can do it anone can.;)
 
You don't even really need to learn the code anymore, Dreamweaver etc make it very easy (although the resulting code is rarely as efficient as writing it yourself) and allow you to just concentrate on the design, which for a photo website is arguably more important.

Even Lightroom can export very respectable Flash galleries (and plugins let you do loads of different ones).
 
Hacker said:
Are you sure you're not my long lost twin? :lol: I didn't have the time, patience or the necessary skills and inclination to build a site from scratch and I also use Photium for my equine work. I have used Clikpic in the past but I prefer Photium. For my wedding site I use BluDomain which uses templates to allow you to build an editable Flash site - if I can do it anone can.;)
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Once I started to play with the free trial I signed up to the full package within the hour, it may not look much from the outside of their site but my goodness it works well and just keeps getting better, I don't use half of the features yet but the ones I do work very well for me !
 
Go to a web developers forum and ask them how easy it is to take a picture and see what sort of answer you get :)

As someone who has been involved with web development since it started some what? 18+ years ago? (internet 30+ yrs old www 18++ yrs old) I have to say reading some of the answers are making my eyes hurt :)
 
KIPAX lol!

I built my own website and would offer the following advice.

How easy is it to make a website - dead easy.
How easy is it to make a nice looking, easy to navigate, well designed, interesting website - extremely difficult.

If you don't know what you want to create, get someone else do it for you or use a template.
 
apkent said:
How easy is it to make a website - dead easy.
How easy is it to make a nice looking, easy to navigate, well designed, interesting website - extremely difficult.
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Agree 100%. It's not a problem to build unusable, bad looking, bad composed website. To do it right - takes time and knowledge. Just like that. :)

Web design is art, same as photography or computer programming.
 
But it's quite easy to build a simple website, and for me, simple ones are the best. If I come across a flashy, slow, complex website, I often just click the close window button.
 
Oli R C said:
But it's quite easy to build a simple website, and for me, simple ones are the best. If I come across a flashy, slow, complex website, I often just click the close window button.
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Simple does not mean well structured, usable by web usability means and searcheable by the search engines though... And these are the bits which most of the amateur designers have no clue about. :) That's why Internet is full of c*ap :)
 
They are right, if you want a job doing well get a pro (you know what I mean) in to do it. If you need to save money or want the challenge and don't mind all that comes with the challenge, then yes making a site is easy. Making it decent is hard. It's an ongoing process for me! I'll get there one day! I hope.
 
apkent said:
How easy is it to make a website - dead easy.
How easy is it to make a nice looking, easy to navigate, well designed, interesting website - extremely difficult.
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Couldn't state this better myself.
 
At the risk of incurring the wrath of half the professionals on this board, it's a bit like wedding photography ;).

Easy to open up whatever software package and have a pop, but you'll get it wrong more often than not.

(Yes, yes, I know that you can try again and again, but trust me, you won't want to after the first few hours.)

If you're really dead set on it, there's a few skills you'll want to pick up first. You must, must, must learn to use CSS. Avoid tables and frames.

Sketch your design up before you make it. Perhaps you'll want to design your own front page, biography, sales and contact information etc. but use a pre-build gallery. Most will let you customise them to match your design choices.

Last but not least, you're meant to be showcasing your photography. Don't have a bright yellow page to contrast with the images, or green text on a black background or anything daft.
 
What's wrong with green text on a black background??

Just happens to be the colour scheme on my site!! :lol:
 
Blapto said:
Don't have a bright yellow page to contrast with the images, or green text on a black background or anything daft.
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There was a time when monitors only ouputed green text on a black background... ;)
 
I think I have a sync-on-green monitor somewhere!

I haven't fired up my BBC Micro for a while, but that's white on murky-grey. I think my Amiga A500 is the same.

Oli - your bright green on grey looks alright. I was thinking of people who use dark shades of green and blue on a black background, that's probably only legible on their monitor.
 
Still got my BBC Micro with twin 5.25 floppies and a tape drive pus an Amigauprated to 1Meg of Ram.

Now where is my copy of Elite.
 
If anyone needs any help with designing a website then drop me a PM, always glad to help if anyone is stuck in making something work.

I deal mainly with CSS and HTML but dabble a little in PHP and all of it is hand coded.. Notepad for the win :D

I rarely get time to finish my websites but here are a few:

http://www.wizardschool.co.uk/
http://www.valind.co.uk/ (Doesnt work, was just a test to see if i could get the box and cloud to look ok)
http://domaindiagnosis.com/ (fully working)
http://photos.valind.co.uk/gallery2/ (my new gallery site, that I am still working on)
 
foz said:
http://domaindiagnosis.com/ (fully working)
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not quite?

Warning: fopen(domains.txt) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/domdiag/web/diagnosis.php on line 103

Warning: fputs(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /home/domdiag/web/diagnosis.php on line 104

Warning: fclose(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /home/domdiag/web/diagnosis.php on line 105
 
KIPAX said:
not quite?

Warning: fopen(domains.txt) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/domdiag/web/diagnosis.php on line 103

Warning: fputs(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /home/domdiag/web/diagnosis.php on line 104

Warning: fclose(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /home/domdiag/web/diagnosis.php on line 105
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OOOPPPS...

Fixed now. The server in my house went down on wednesday and had to reinstall it, the permissions on this file had got changed by mistake.. computers suck :D
 
I can only imagine what it will say about my website... you sure you want me to risk running my website through it :D

Well that was interesting. (it didn't do a lot)
 
think you would need to be in the industry. I worked for a very large web hosting company, I wrote the website to help the team out as it displays all the required information to diagnose a domain name quickly and easily and when dealing with ******* on the phone fast is good.

if you arnt into that then its not very exciting :P
 
foz said:
think you would need to be in the industry. I worked for a very large web hosting company, I wrote the website to help the team out as it displays all the required information to diagnose a domain name quickly
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i made this about a hundred years ago while i was learning perl www.webwho.co.uk .. nearly all multiple domain checkers are based around this now... as it was the first to update in real time and show the free domains as you waited one after the other.. not the first multple checker but at the time most used.. and i did it for free :(

Last updated 2003 but made a couple of years earlier
 
I am currently designing a website, using Microsoft FrontPage.
 
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