how can i get other half to understand...

Yummy

Steak should be hung for 21 days minimum then shown enough heat to sear it.

Just wrong defrosting at room temperature and dumping back into the freridge, especially if you don't know its source, whether originally frozen etc

She who must drop cameras is an awful cook. Over 20 years now since I will eat anything she cooks from scratch!!!!!!

Steve
 
Am not an expert on food hygiene, but I will state this:

I've had patients die because they've caught a rare form of E.coli (0127). What did they have in common? They would defrost an entire meat, chop off what they wanted and refreeze the rest. They did this more than twice. Two patients have died and one has brain injury after going into a coma and being in intensive care for several months.
 
omens said:
Am not an expert on food hygiene, but I will state this:

I've had patients die because they've caught a rare form of E.coli (0127). What did they have in common? They would defrost an entire meat, chop off what they wanted and refreeze the rest. They did this more than twice. Two patients have died and one has brain injury after going into a coma and being in intensive care for several months.
Click to expand...

My sister is an ICU manager and has had the same experiences as yourself.

That said I cannot understand how my youngesf son survived afted his 3 years at university. His house (and housemates) was a biohazard!

Manky kitchen time....
 
omens said:
Am not an expert on food hygiene, but I will state this:

I've had patients die because they've caught a rare form of E.coli (0127). What did they have in common? They would defrost an entire meat, chop off what they wanted and refreeze the rest. They did this more than twice. Two patients have died and one has brain injury after going into a coma and being in intensive care for several months.
Click to expand...


bug was there in the first place most likely or the people didn't was their hands properly. Freeze thaw cycles are not something you should do with meat or any other produce. not really strong on epidemiological proof :lol:
 
Surely the answer is to only barbecue fresh bought meat? Ideally from a good butcher. Might be more expensive than buying half a bullock and freezing it but the taste alone is worth the extra expense, let alone the reduced chance of spending a day on the dumpster!
 
Nod said:
Surely the answer is to only barbecue fresh bought meat? Ideally from a good butcher. Might be more expensive than buying half a bullock and freezing it but the taste alone is worth the extra expense, let alone the reduced chance of spending a day on the dumpster!
Click to expand...

++++++++++

Yep - good meat is never cheap.

I also prefer to buy meat to make my own burgers too.

Steve
 
viv1969 said:
Have to admit I'm with Mrs Lynton....Not happy? Do it yourself.
Click to expand...

:thumbs:

" you can either ask me to do it , or not, but don't ask me to do it and tell me how - if you know how it should be done then do it yourself, if you don't then leave me the **** alone "

that aside from the reaction unless Mrs Lynton is a raving hatstand (which with two small babies and Lynton in the house is entirely possible :lol:) i'm guessing that maybe it wasn't what he said, but the way the information was imparted.
 
Interesting snippet from mythbusters programme:

MYTH: “I can‟t re-freeze foods after I have thawed them – I have to cook them or throw them away.”

Fact: If raw foods such as meat, poultry, egg products, and seafood have been thawed in the refrigerator, then they may be safely re-frozen without cooking for later use. Never thaw raw foods by letting them sit on the kitchen counter. If raw foods are thawed outside of the refrigerator, for example in the microwave or in cool water, they should be cooked immediately. Never re-freeze raw or not fully cooked foods that have been thawed outside of the refrigerator.
 
srichards said:
Interesting snippet from mythbusters programme:

MYTH: “I can‟t re-freeze foods after I have thawed them – I have to cook them or throw them away.”

Fact: If raw foods such as meat, poultry, egg products, and seafood have been thawed in the refrigerator, then they may be safely re-frozen without cooking for later use. Never thaw raw foods by letting them sit on the kitchen counter. If raw foods are thawed outside of the refrigerator, for example in the microwave or in cool water, they should be cooked immediately. Never re-freeze raw or not fully cooked foods that have been thawed outside of the refrigerator.
Click to expand...

Hmmmm....isn't that a bit like believing everything you read on Wikipedia though?
 
Surely Mythbusters is about not believing everything you read on wikipedia!
 
well if you want to try it feel free - personally i'll stick to practices not likely to give me food poisoning
 
big soft moose said:
well if you want to try it feel free - personally i'll stick to practices not likely to give me food poisoning
Click to expand...

Agreed..... a bit like something I saw on Jamie Oliver's <spits> Food Fight Club where they look a piece of steak, rub it round the most disgusting looking toilet ever, left it in the sun and generally did everything to it that would make it fit for the bin......

Then they "nuked" it which is meant to make it completely safe to eat.

Apparently it had very little flavour/texture when cooked but was "safe" to eat :gag:
 
viv1969 said:
Ohhhh okay....righty-o. Must be right then. :thinking: :)
Click to expand...

I can't vouch for the subject/episode in question but other tests I've seen have been taken seriously and conducted in a scientific manor with credible outcomes.
 
srichards said:
http://www.food.gov.uk/news-updates/campaigns/germwatch/science-fsw/freezing

I'd expect a microbiologist to understand this kind of thing...
Click to expand...

so taking that and the mythbusters thing - thawing in the refrigerator means the bacteria will be less active as defrost happen because it is still quite cold, reproduce themselves much less and ergo, refreezing is much less likely to cause problems because less bacteria will be present. Not totally guaranteed, but you are reducing the odds, as it were.
 
Given that I once had an unpleasant experience with improperly cooked food (and another with milk that had been open for too long), I'm very careful now. I certainly wouldn't refreeze anything that had already been thawed.
 
omens said:
Given that I once had an unpleasant experience with improperly cooked food (and another with milk that had been open for too long), I'm very careful now. I certainly wouldn't refreeze anything that had already been thawed.
Click to expand...

Had said food been improperly thawed? (and the smell of the milk should have been a given)
 
Ah yes milk you can chew,
Its always best to avoid lumpy coffee where possible :D
 
Nod said:
Surely the answer is to only barbecue fresh bought meat? Ideally from a good butcher. Might be more expensive than buying half a bullock and freezing it but the taste alone is worth the extra expense, let alone the reduced chance of spending a day on the dumpster!
Click to expand...

We always buy fresh Nod. Only happened to freeze this as bought it and realised not time to eat it whilst fresh due to other commitments...
 
Nod said:
Surely the answer is to only barbecue fresh bought meat? Ideally from a good butcher. Might be more expensive than buying half a bullock and freezing it but the taste alone is worth the extra expense, let alone the reduced chance of spending a day on the dumpster!
Click to expand...

So what do I do with the whole lamb I've got in my freezer... I reared it from 48 hrs old by hand and it was killed on July 9th 2013 at approx 9am. The taste is divine... not had any complaints from family that have eaten it either. Come to think of it I've still got a couple of legs left from last years lamb, maybe should have another roast...
 
Last edited:
viv1969 said:
Had said food been improperly thawed?
Click to expand...
Honestly can't recall. This was in my student days at uni so I guess it's plausible.

viv1969 said:
(and the smell of the milk should have been a given)
Click to expand...
The milk smelt fine and IIRC had been open for four days. Just poured it on without looking and started eating. Threw up afterwards.

Also once had trifle that was well before it's "best before date" but the whipped cream topping more more like cream cheese. :gag:
 
Twizzel said:
So what do I do with the whole lamb I've got in my freezer... I reared it from 48 hrs old by hand and it was killed on July 9th 2013 at approx 9am. The taste is divine... not had any complaints from family that have eaten it either. Come to think of it I've still got a couple of legs left from last years lamb, maybe should have another roast...
Click to expand...

:eek: cant have you freezing it like that, send part of next one to me :D ;)
 
When i have to defrost meat i get it out and do it on the side and cook straight away, I always make sure it's not in direct sunlight though.
 
Last edited:
Rach, as Yvonne says, send some of Larry up to me! In that situation, proper meal planning (hard to do with barbecues and British weather!) should let you defrost safely in the fridge - overnight if necessary.
 
Cobra said:
Ah yes milk you can chew,
Its always best to avoid lumpy coffee where possible :D
Click to expand...

Milk you can chew? Do you mean cheese:D
 
rjbell said:
Isn't rice the biggest coarse of food poisoning?
Click to expand...

Is there a problem with rice? We eat a lot of it, and we've often reheated it. Never had any upset stomachs.
 
Cooked rice can be re heated once. Leaving it out at room temprature can cause problems.
 
MartynK said:
Is there a problem with rice? We eat a lot of it, and we've often reheated it. Never had any upset stomachs.
Click to expand...

If rice is left to cool to room temperature then you can get lots of bacteria growing. It needs refrigerating or freezing soon after cooking if you plan to reheat later.

I've never been sick from it either though even when not always refrigerating very soon after cooking.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top