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Does what I describe below exist?

I am looking to add some room corner (floor standing) uplighters but want them to come on when you turn the main ceiling light on. However I am not talking about them being wired to the same switch but rather triggered by an optical switch so that they go on & off in unison with the main room light? In other words no wiring changes that require additional wiring!

They, like a normal standalone lamp, will be plugged into adjacent wall sockets. I hope that makes sense and the 'bulbs' in them ideally low energy LED types.

TIA for any pointers and insights.
 
Have you thought about a motion detector?
They would have to be wired in to a power supply- you could attach a standard plug.
The out would go to the lamp.
They can be adjusted so they only come on at a certain light level.

This would mean they come on as you enter the room if it is dark/dim and before the main light goes on.
 
LightwaveRF and all the other smart lighting solutions would work. It seems Fibaro is one of the currently favoured solutions (more sophisticated than LWRF) but it's more expensive. Doesn't use an optical switch, but you can programme switches to do various clever things like turn on the lights, lower the blinds and put the floorstanding lights onto "middle dim" setting... very smart!
 
Without doing anything to wiring? No, I doubt it.

AC 220V 10A Photocell Sensor Automatic Light Control Switch w 3 Wire https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009IPW91G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_5d6WwbNWB26S1

Hmmm! if I was going to have to use something of that nature and get the wiring amended I may as well just get them wired into the switch system?

Have you thought about a motion detector?
They would have to be wired in to a power supply- you could attach a standard plug.
The out would go to the lamp.
They can be adjusted so they only come on at a certain light level.

This would mean they come on as you enter the room if it is dark/dim and before the main light goes on.

Interesting thought/idea, I was thinking following Shirley's (@dejongj ) post that I am looking in effect for the opposite of a nightlight type sensor i.e. instead of the light coming on when the room is dark, one where switching on the main light light triggers the secondary light(s) to come on. Have you got a link to such a motion sensor?
 
LightwaveRF and all the other smart lighting solutions would work. It seems Fibaro is one of the currently favoured solutions (more sophisticated than LWRF) but it's more expensive. Doesn't use an optical switch, but you can programme switches to do various clever things like turn on the lights, lower the blinds and put the floorstanding lights onto "middle dim" setting... very smart!

I will have to go Google that and see the types of kit and costs???
 
LWRF starts off quite a bit cheaper - £15 per switch/wallplate. Depending on how complex you want to make it, you may need a hub (e.g. if you want to be able to control it remotely or via your phone as well).

Fibaro is something like £40 per unit but they're more flexible and expandable. Both cover more than just lighting and you can do a room at a time.

I'm saying all this as someone who's considered it for my new house but haven't got round to installing it yet! (And we have a wall to have repaired first, which is probably a more critical priority!)
 
LWRF starts off quite a bit cheaper - £15 per switch/wallplate. Depending on how complex you want to make it, you may need a hub (e.g. if you want to be able to control it remotely or via your phone as well).

Fibaro is something like £40 per unit but they're more flexible and expandable. Both cover more than just lighting and you can do a room at a time.

I'm saying all this as someone who's considered it for my new house but haven't got round to installing it yet! (And we have a wall to have repaired first, which is probably a more critical priority!)

Have had a quick look at both and they appear to be highly targeted at the "automated home", a much higher level of sophistication than I am seeking for what I perceived as I simplistic solution to improving illumination in a whole room from one switch action.
 
Ah! I see where that comes into to play but again needs wiring amendments......was hoping for a plugin item with that you then plug the floor lamp into? Been Googling and cannot even find a nightlight version of this plugin. Looks like I am the only one looking for such a widget :(
You just cut the cable for the light, attach plug end to one side and out to the other side.

Simples :)
 
You just cut the cable for the light, attach plug end to one side and out to the other side.

Simples :)

Oh! so it can be used in a 'flying lead' setup :) Goes and looks again at the link and the item...... :ty:

Looking at the usage spec sheet it, as it is motion activated, has a limit to the max time "on" and in the room I have in mind I want them on all the time the main light is on and with motion activation waving ones arm every few minutes is a no-no.

Back to the search drawing board methinks...........but so far without success :(
 
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As long as you move it stays on.
I've seen some that stay on for 40 mins, but they would stay on if you left the room...

You might be as well getting in touch with an electrical factor like Ross Electrical and see if they know of anything.
 
Without doing anything to wiring? No, I doubt it.

AC 220V 10A Photocell Sensor Automatic Light Control Switch w 3 Wire https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009IPW91G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_5d6WwbNWB26S1
This one I linked to just popped up top of the list. Plenty more variations available in varying prices for your exact application and taste. At least you won't have to change the wiring in your wall. You can do it on an lead externally to that or a simply cut the cord and have something like that inline.

With a bit more search and changing of the search terms Ik sure you can find a uk version of a ready made socket plugin version like this American one with a reverse photocell
http://www.smarthome.com/woods-59407-plug-in-photocell.html
 
Not exactly what you are looking for but seem to me to be a simple solution - Energenie Remote Control Sockets - under £30 for a set of four from Amazon. Each socket can be turned on and off individually or all can be operated in unison with a single button press.
 
LightwaveRF and all the other smart lighting solutions would work...
Yes and no. It would be possible to achieve the desired effect, sort of. I'll explain what "sort of" means in a minute. The reason I'm mentioning it at all is that I have some LightwaveRF kit which I bought for evaluative purposes but now have no need for, and it will get you more than half way to your goal if you want it.

With LWRF, and competing technologies such as Z-Wave (of which Fibaro is one manufacturer), you replace your light switch with a 'smart' one. (Like this one.) I wouldn't consider that to be a 'wiring change' because you can do it yourself, it takes 10 minutes, and if you don't like it you can put the old switch back. It's worth noting however that LWRF switch plates are shallow and will almost certainly fit on whatever back box you have buried in the wall; whereas Z-Wave electronics are bulkier and probably require a deep back box which you probably don't have.

The smart switch doesn't get you very far on its own. It switches the light on and off (and can dim it if it's dimmable.) The next thing you need is to do something similar for the floor lamps. You can either replace the wall socket with a smart one (like this one) - again an easy retrofit, and reversible - or you can use a plug-in smart adapter (this) in the existing socket. Now you have both lights with smart capability.

The final pieces in the LWRF jigsaw are a multi-device 'scene controller' which can be configured to operate multiple lights (this); a wi-fi link device that plugs into your existing router (this); and an app on your phone (free download). The scene controller is wireless, so again no wiring changes for you. You pair the scene controller with the lights, and then when you switch on or off (or dim) using the scene controller they all come on or go off (or dim) together.

With this setup you also have a dawn-sensing and dusk-sensing capability, and a programmable timed on/off capability (eg to simulate occupancy when on holiday).

It's important to note that the main room light switch only operates the main room light, and the floor lamp switch(es) only operate(s) the floor lamp(s). So you can still switch them independently if you want. It's the scene controller that does the work. You can stick that on the wall wherever you like, or it doesn't even have to go on the wall. (It's wireless.) But if you were going to use it as a hand-held remote then you'd probably be better of getting a proper one (like this).

(Z-Wave is slightly different. With LWRF, the switched tell the devices what to do but there's no communication in the opposite direction. So you can't interrogate a switch to find out if it's on. However Z-Wave does support two-way communication. So in principle you can set up the Z-wave controller to interrogate light switch A to find out how it's set, and then set light switch B accordingly. That might mean you don't need the separate scene controller device. But I don't know enough about Z-Wave to be certain.)

Anyway, I have all the components except the smart wall socket / smart plug-in adapter, (i.e. smart dimmer switch, wi-fi link, scene controller) and I don't need them because my evaluation showed that they don't quite achieve what I want to do in my home. I was probably going to eBay them after my house build is finished, but you're welcome to have them if they'd be useful. Maybe a token donation to charity? Let me know.
 
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PS I have to admit that a photocell solution would be more elegant if you can do it!
 
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