Hold off installing iOS 6.1 Update

Dave1 said:
Considering the battery on a 3G is probably around 4 years old now, thats not surprising. Have you considered a more recent model or even a battery replacement if you really like the 3G too much to replace it?
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No you're misunderstood. I have the 3G turned off on my 4s and I'm still charging every night
 
Dave1 said:
Considering the battery on a 3G is probably around 4 years old now, thats not surprising. Have you considered a more recent model or even a battery replacement if you really like the 3G too much to replace it?
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£6 if youre feeling handy..

www.parts4ipods.com/iPhone-3G-Replacement-Battery

(site seems to be offline at the moment but ive used them before)
 
surfg1mp said:
Decided not to upgrade ios since 5. don't want to lose jailbreak and all its benefits. Plus don't want to have to use the crappy apple maps. Google maps rock.
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You know you can have Google maps on IOS 6???

You just download it from the App Store, and it's far better that the version bundled in with ios5.
 
surfg1mp said:
Decided not to upgrade ios since 5. don't want to lose jailbreak and all its benefits. Plus don't want to have to use the crappy apple maps. Google maps rock.
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Not only has Google Maps been available since December (as Jim has pointed out), there is also a new (very simple) jailbreak called Evasi0n for iOS 6.
 
Just updated the 4s to 6.1.1 and then jailbroke again using the new version of Evasi0n (1.3).

They seem to have also sorted the problem of the weather app not opening after being jail broken as it works now.
 
neil_g said:
sorry that was not dig or clever.

pfft :lol:
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I don't think it was a dig at all. It was quite relevant in the context :)

I haven't upgraded yet because I am on 3G but will later although I haven't seen issues with my 4S on Vodafone.

I have no option but to stay with Vodafone unless anyone else does a femtocell.
 
Just as an idea of how cack my 4s battery life actually is I took it off charge at 6am this morning, connected to McDonalds Wifi and went on eBay.

Its 8am and my battery life is now at 65%. This is on 6.1.1
 
Michaelk20 said:
Just as an idea of how cack my 4s battery life actually is I took it off charge at 6am this morning, connected to McDonalds Wifi and went on eBay.

Its 8am and my battery life is now at 65%. This is on 6.1.1
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How much use has it had in those 2 hours? What apps have you got open in the background and what is using location services?
 
Michaelk20 said:
Just general wifi use, nothing like videos or anything just browsing facebook/ebay and this forum.

I've just followed this guide for the location services: http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/how-extend-battery-life-your-iphone-4s-119471

Hopefully this helps. I know the battery isn't brilliant anyway but its starting to annoy me a bit.
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My 4s battery isn't that bad, I can typically use 50% a day maybe? That's with ~2hrs 3G use on the train (flipping in and put of signal but the screen is mostly alway on), push email on, push notifications on Facebook/eBay etc, wifi on when at home.

But I do have minimal apps installed and kill any that aren't in use.
 
It's an odd article, it talks about completely draining the battery yet doing this to li-ion frequently can be detrimental to life (although apple do seem to suggest you should drain the battery every now and again - read into that what you like but it seems to be to calibrate the battery gauge an nothing to do with life).


It also offers pretty much the same advice offered by apple - http://www.apple.com/uk/batteries/iphone.html
 
Does having an empty hard drive actually alter the battery life?

I have 8 gig left out of a max 28 gig
 
Michaelk20 said:
Just as an idea of how cack my 4s battery life actually is I took it off charge at 6am this morning, connected to McDonalds Wifi and went on eBay.

Its 8am and my battery life is now at 65%. This is on 6.1.1
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Check the screen brightness setting. Sometimes I have noticed it is reset to being way too bright for no reason.
 
neil_g said:
My 4s battery isn't that bad, I can typically use 50% a day maybe? That's with ~2hrs 3G use on the train (flipping in and put of signal but the screen is mostly alway on), push email on, push notifications on Facebook/eBay etc, wifi on when at home.

But I do have minimal apps installed and kill any that aren't in use.
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This sounds about right to me as well, my 4S is normally in the 50% region at the end of the day as well.
 
neil_g said:
It's an odd article, it talks about completely draining the battery yet doing this to li-ion frequently can be detrimental to life (although apple do seem to suggest you should drain the battery every now and again - read into that what you like but it seems to be to calibrate the battery gauge an nothing to do with life).


It also offers pretty much the same advice offered by apple - http://www.apple.com/uk/batteries/iphone.html
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That's exactly what it does. It does nothing for the battery life itself, but just provides you with a more accurate reading.

Just about everyone I know has a problem with iPhone battery life, except me. I can easily get 4 days of use out of it, and that includes the usual calls texts and at least an hour of tethering every day.

Then again like as suggested in that article I turn everything off until I need it - that includes 3G and all cellular data. My 4S was taken off charge yesterday at 5:00pm it's now coming up for 11:00 where I am. The usage indicator is just shy of 1 hour and the battery is still at 92%
 
Michaelk20 said:
Just general wifi use, nothing like videos or anything just browsing facebook/ebay and this forum.

I've just followed this guide for the location services: http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/how-extend-battery-life-your-iphone-4s-119471

Hopefully this helps. I know the battery isn't brilliant anyway but its starting to annoy me a bit.
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Maybe your battery isn't working at its optimum. Have you tired charging it with a battery optimiser app running? I find they worked quite well on my old iPhone 3 when the battery started to hold less charge.
 
Something I have noticed is that charging with the iPad charger wrecked the battery of three iPhone 4/4s'. It shouldn't be so, as the phone should be intelligent enough to draw only the current needed. Apple also specifically sell iPad chargers as being compatible with iPhones, so it shouldn't be a problem. However, we noticed that phones charged more quickly with iPad chargers and this may have impacted battery life (was draining at a rate of 10% / hour with next to know use (20min calls, push email off, few apps installed, location services off and inactive apps closed down). We now only use iPhone chargers for ask our iPhones and no longer have the battery issues which plagued us before.
 
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Well my iPad 2 charger is rated at 5.1v/2.1A and my 4s charger is rated at 5v/1A so you may be right there

The batteries will suffer from life issues resulting from heat, maybe the extra juice causes more heat in the battery.
 
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neil_g said:
Well my iPad 2 charger is rated at 5.1v/2.1A and my 4s charger is rated at 5v/1A so you may be right there

The batteries will suffer from life issues resulting from heat, maybe the extra juice causes more heat in the battery.
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Apple does state that the iPad chargers can be used for all iDevices. The actual rated amperage shouldn't make any difference as the devices will only draw the current they need. the difference in voltage between the two is negligible at around 2% so that shouldn't affect anything adversely.

Charging the iPad with the iPhone charger is more likely to create problems as the iPad will try to draw more current than the charger can provide, possibly causing the charger to heat up or trip out.
 
Not happened here, I've only got an iPad charger which came with my original iPad 1 plugged in upstairs and it is used to charge the iphone almost every night. I also have an ipad rated 2A charger in the car, I have used them for a 4, 4S and 5, and have seen no ill effects or even heating up.

In fact the iphone 4 was over 18 months old when I sold it and the battery life was still as good as the day I got it.
 
neil_g said:
Well my iPad 2 charger is rated at 5.1v/2.1A and my 4s charger is rated at 5v/1A so you may be right there

The batteries will suffer from life issues resulting from heat, maybe the extra juice causes more heat in the battery.
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Exactly what I thought. It does get hotter when charged with the iPad charger. I've seen a few threads elsewhere where people have got all scientific as to why it can or cannot have an effect, but our experience is enough to convince me to keep iPad chargers well away!

Incidentally, my current 4s (my second one) was charged once with an iPad charger and the battery was draining at 8-10% after that single charge. This is what led to our suspicions. After using the iPhone charger again (and ever since), I have experienced no problems and the phone now only uses 2-4% / hour, with moderate use and no faffing around with any settings.

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Just seen the other replies and I agree, it should have no effect, but we had nightmarish experiences with battery life and this is the one thing that has solved it for us.

There is always the possibility of such issues only affecting certain chargers, phones, battery, firmware revisions, so who knows. What is interesting is that Apple seem to be addressing battery issues with what seems like every other iOS update.
 
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More likely you had a faulty charger then.

As an example of battery life, the 5 was charged on the iPad charger last night, and is now on 81% after 14 hours standby and 1 hour 16 minutes use.
 
Damn I'm now on 6.1.1 and my battery is draining faster than ever before. My 3G is up and down like a yoyo. Might see if I've still got 6.1 somewhere.
 
It's more complicated than the cheat to enable cheat mode on sonic the hedgehog :D

Has anyone confirmed if its a bug in the uk? Only because it mentions calling 911 as part of the long winded key sequence.
 
The day after I was forced to install iOS6.1 onto my iPhone 4S (stuck in reset cycle and so had to restore from backup which automatically upgraded the firmware from 6.0), Vodafone sent me a text to say don't upgrade. Luckily, I didn't experience any 3G issues during the short periods I was out of wifi range, but I still took the 6.1.1 upgrade as soon as it was available on the assumption that I'd be in a better position. So far, life on 6.1.1 is pretty much the same as on 6.0.
 
neil_g said:
It's more complicated than the cheat to enable cheat mode on sonic the hedgehog :D

Has anyone confirmed if its a bug in the uk? Only because it mentions calling 911 as part of the long winded key sequence.
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Not sure, but more here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...apid-update-major-security-alert-iOS-6-1.html

Seems it has been known about since the end of Jan. I have a sneaky feeling this is perhaps why Vodafone took the unprecedented step of warning many of their users not to update to 6.1.
 
MarcM said:
From ZD net (and elsewhere)



http://www.zdnet.com/apple-confirms-ios-6-1-lock-screen-flaw-promises-fix-7000011363/

This is in no was meant as an 'I told you so post", I genuinely just want to warn others of this serious security flaw.
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It's not exactly a serious flaw on the scale of things. It's only made the news because it's demonstrable in terms of what non tech people can understand.

There are quite a number of forensic step by step guides out there which will allow you to image the entire contents of an iPhone, and thereafter gain unfettered access to the data. Even the stuff that's encrypted via the passcode is not really an obstacle as the vast majority of people (me included) just use the simple 4 digit passcode system, and that can be brute forced in a matter of minutes.

The thing is it takes a bit of tech know how to do this, and reams and reams of text in a terminal window is not something that most people can relate to, so therefore it's not good news.

There's only one make of phone out there that is secure in any sense of the word, and that's the Blackberry.
 
Slaphead said:
It's not exactly a serious flaw on the scale of things. It's only made the news because it's demonstrable in terms of what non tech people can understand.

There are quite a number of forensic step by step guides out there which will allow you to image the entire contents of an iPhone, and thereafter gain unfettered access to the data. Even the stuff that's encrypted via the passcode is not really an obstacle as the vast majority of people (me included) just use the simple 4 digit passcode system, and that can be brute forced in a matter of minutes.

The thing is it takes a bit of tech know how to do this, and reams and reams of text in a terminal window is not something that most people can relate to, so therefore it's not good news.

There's only one make of phone out there that is secure in any sense of the word, and that's the Blackberry.
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Yes I don't like to share my contact names an addresses but not a big deal if someone else saw them. Also lots of free minutes on the account so a few phone calls so what. Now if they were to steal my £649 phone. Oh wait they have to in order to do this......

As said encrypted blackberry with bes only if you really want to hide stuff.
 
Slaphead said:
It's not exactly a serious flaw on the scale of things. It's only made the news because it's demonstrable in terms of what non tech people can understand.

There are quite a number of forensic step by step guides out there which will allow you to image the entire contents of an iPhone, and thereafter gain unfettered access to the data. Even the stuff that's encrypted via the passcode is not really an obstacle as the vast majority of people (me included) just use the simple 4 digit passcode system, and that can be brute forced in a matter of minutes.

The thing is it takes a bit of tech know how to do this, and reams and reams of text in a terminal window is not something that most people can relate to, so therefore it's not good news.

There's only one make of phone out there that is secure in any sense of the word, and that's the Blackberry.
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Blackberrys are all well and good, except that they're Blackberrys. And then you have a Blackberry. Sad times.
 
odd jim said:
It's not that serious, the "hacker" would have to get his hands on your phone for a start. If you lose it or get it stolen you can still remotely wipe it.
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Of course it's serious!

Maybe not for you, but for someone who cherishes the security of their data, flaws don't get much worse than this.

Have you any idea of the risks to business IF a phone with this flaw gets into the wrong hands?

The point of this thread was to warn people about this update (and the reasons against updating as soon as they are released).

If the multiple issues with this release does not convince you of this logic, then nothing will!

I've spend over two decades working in I.T. and believe me, you are leaving yourself wide open to all sorts by not following advice that any responsible I.T. person would agree with.
 
MarcM said:
Of course it's serious!

Maybe not for you, but for someone who cherishes the security of their data, flaws don't get much worse than this.

Have you any idea of the risks to business IF a phone with this flaw gets into the wrong hands?

The point of this thread was to warn people about this update (and the reasons against updating as soon as they are released).

If the multiple issues with this release does not convince you of this logic, then nothing will!

I've spend over two decades working in I.T. and believe me, you are leaving yourself wide open to all sorts by not following advice that any responsible I.T. person would agree with.
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I deal with secret and restricted data all the time. I have an iPhone and yes, this doesn't bother me as I use the best security system ever designed. If I don't want it hacked or intercepted, I don't put it on, or through a mobile device.
 
MarcM said:
Have you any idea of the risks to business IF a phone with this flaw gets into the wrong hands?
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i get the feeling youre being a little meladramatic on this but potentially yes. HOWEVER any responsible IT dept should have at their disposal the remote wipe function of exchange as a last resort.

:thumbs:

anyway, if 6.1.1 has fixed the bug and the vodafone issue there isnt any reason not to upgrade to it now..
 
Even the remote wipe has limited effectiveness. Anybody who's got hold of your phone for the data will turn the phone off straight away and remove the SIM card. No remote wipe is possible when the device is not connected to the Internet.

The fact that the security on the iPhone can be circumvented to a very limited degree using the phone itself is, I agree, a flaw, but as usual because it's Apple it gets more press than a Paris Hilton wardrobe failure, and as such is presented as more of a security risk than it realistically is. Lets face it, if the flaw was in android then it'd probably only be reported in the tech blogosphere, and maybe only warrant a couple of lines in the major press, if that.
 
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