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Nightclubs in wales to close from the 27th dec ,so no New Year’s Eve p*** ups , shops to introduce Restrictions etc .. work from home ? Fuehrer drippy drakeford will no doubt lock us all down again shortly , if you think boris is bad he’s got nothing on this idjit … no mention of staff furlough pay or business help ..
 
Re: the furlough payments & business support schemes.

Was/is the monies involved in the initial "programs" all 'central government' paying all eligible persons & businesses in all 4 nations of the UK. Or did the devolved governments have the control and administration of it?

But yes in general.......across the UK, we seem to be back to, around about, Spring 2020(?) before the schemes kicked in.

The results of again kicking the decision to the public re: dining out & other hospitality businesses has already started to create the conditions for many such businesses to be unlikely to still be trading by February next year..... without some sort of support :(

PS having said that, I really do wonder if "we" as a nation can afford to support businesses again.....but perhaps, as last year, "we" can't afford not to!!!
 
the black fox said:
Nightclubs in wales to close from the 27th dec ,so no New Year’s Eve p*** ups , shops to introduce Restrictions etc .. work from home ? Fuehrer drippy drakeford will no doubt lock us all down again shortly , if you think boris is bad he’s got nothing on this idjit … no mention of staff furlough pay or business help ..
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To reduce the spread, clubs and pubs should have been slammed shut as soon as the new variant's presence and virulence were known.

I've heard that a large pub chain have been advised not to get in too much fresh produce for the next few weeks.
 
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Yeah, let's all mingle a spread it as fast & as wide as we can, that's a great idea.... NOT.
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If the new variant is indeed very mild that could be an option. Didn't people used to have parties to get their children infected with childhood bugs as it was thought better to get them as kids?

I may be wrong but evidence from abroad seems to point to a lot of infections but plummeting hospitalisations and deaths.
 
woof woof said:
If the new variant is indeed very mild that could be an option. Didn't people used to have parties to get their children infected with childhood bugs as it was thought better to get them as kids?

I may be wrong but evidence from abroad seems to point to a lot of infections but plummeting hospitalisations and deaths.
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Think that was just for chicken pox as it wasn’t nearly as bad to catch it as a kid as it was in later life. As someone who had it in his mid 20’s and had 3 really crappy weeks as a result I can see the logic in this.....
 
Most virus's mutate and weaken over time. They are driven to reproduce and spread but could not do so if they killed all humans. It may still be a while before it has spread and weakened to the point where we can relax. At the is time the key issue is the load on the NHS; we do need to manage this as they are plenty of other medical threats and accidents.

Dave
 
Looking from outside Wales, I thought Drakeford seemed entirely reasonable, given that he did point out that they only get to support Welsh businesses when the government decide English businesses can be supported.
Slightly OT, I am heartily tired of hearing about protecting the NHS all the time. Not that it doesn't need protecting, but I do question why, with such predictable pressures on it every single year in winter, and given the experience of the last two years, it is STILL necessary to "protect the NHS" - have not lessons been identified to learn from? I think the fundamental issue causing the NHS to need protecting is that the bean counters are in charge of it, and it is managed using the "Just In Time" approach rather than having spare capacity always available. When there were cottage hospitals and more general hospitals, there were always extra wards and staff that could be opened up and spread out a bit, and nursing staff were more available because they didn't all have to have a degree. Why are there so very many CEO's in the NHS? Everybody wants to be a CEO of something.
 
lindsay said:
Looking from outside Wales, I thought Drakeford seemed entirely reasonable, given that he did point out that they only get to support Welsh businesses when the government decide English businesses can be supported.
Slightly OT, I am heartily tired of hearing about protecting the NHS all the time. Not that it doesn't need protecting, but I do question why, with such predictable pressures on it every single year in winter, and given the experience of the last two years, it is STILL necessary to "protect the NHS" - have not lessons been identified to learn from? I think the fundamental issue causing the NHS to need protecting is that the bean counters are in charge of it, and it is managed using the "Just In Time" approach rather than having spare capacity always available. When there were cottage hospitals and more general hospitals, there were always extra wards and staff that could be opened up and spread out a bit, and nursing staff were more available because they didn't all have to have a degree. Why are there so very many CEO's in the NHS? Everybody wants to be a CEO of something.
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Systematic defunding of NHS England, to make it seem unworkable/failing to stop people protesting when they sell off to U.S. insurance companies.
 
lindsay said:
Looking from outside Wales, I thought Drakeford seemed entirely reasonable, given that he did point out that they only get to support Welsh businesses when the government decide English businesses can be supported.
Slightly OT, I am heartily tired of hearing about protecting the NHS all the time. Not that it doesn't need protecting, but I do question why, with such predictable pressures on it every single year in winter, and given the experience of the last two years, it is STILL necessary to "protect the NHS" - have not lessons been identified to learn from? I think the fundamental issue causing the NHS to need protecting is that the bean counters are in charge of it, and it is managed using the "Just In Time" approach rather than having spare capacity always available. When there were cottage hospitals and more general hospitals, there were always extra wards and staff that could be opened up and spread out a bit, and nursing staff were more available because they didn't all have to have a degree. Why are there so very many CEO's in the NHS? Everybody wants to be a CEO of something.
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Looking from inside wales out ,to drakeford it’s just just a game of anything you can do I can do better … remember there are no barriers to travel within the u.k , we have not stopped mask wearing in shops etc .but go 5 miles along the road to England it’s not needed ( legally) same as this shutting nightclubs down on Boxing Day .. the trains to Chester ,Liverpool ,Manchester on New Year’s Eve will be packed to capacity with the unvaccinated hoards from here . . As will cross border taxi ,private hire firms … that’s the problem no co- ordination between them its labour-v-tories with the public as pawns in there tit for tat games
 
It's not Labour versus Tories, every devolved government has the same problem with Westminster's unwillingness to take the tough decisions.
 
Steep said:
Systematic defunding of NHS England, to make it seem unworkable/failing to stop people protesting when they sell off to U.S. insurance companies.
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This was certainly the view in the mid to late '80s when I was on several projects in NHS hospitals and at the DOH itself. The tories have always hated the NHS because it is a prime example of where a government funded system, free at the point of delivery, must always outperform a private system.

When the ill informed point to the wonders of American medicine, they conveniently forget that more than 1/5th of all American citizens cannot get medical treatment, due to the cost. I have seen other estimates that suggest a similar proportion of families have been reduced to poverty, using all their assets to pay for treatment.

Not what I want to see in our country!
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
This was certainly the view in the mid to late '80s when I was on several projects in NHS hospitals and at the DOH itself. The tories have always hated the NHS because it is a prime example of where a government funded system, free at the point of delivery, must always outperform a private system.

When the ill informed point to the wonders of American medicine, they conveniently forget that more than 1/5th of all American citizens cannot get medical treatment, due to the cost. I have seen other estimates that suggest a similar proportion of families have been reduced to poverty, using all their assets to pay for treatment.

Not what I want to see in our country
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I do not think anyone would suggest US as a good example of a health system. However, try looking at some of those in Europe like Germany. A few years ago, Which? made a comparison of health systems should you find yourself ill abroad and placed Greece very high and almost all European countries were rated higher than the UK. One of the issues is that so many people seem to feel that our current system is so precious we must not make any changes. This has hampered all parties. The UK NHS system is the largest single employer in Europe and it is understandable that such a large critical system is difficult to manage. I am aware from some people who work in the NHS just how much wastage there is. I do not know what the solution is but it would make sense to examine other systems around the world (apart from the US) and see if we could learn something.

Dave
 
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