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My D610 arrived this morning:) had a wee bit play in the garden. Tried downloading the raw files and I cant open them:( I have CS5 with ACR 6.5 It says my camera is not supported? Now remember I am pretty well PC illiterate but can anyone talk me through what I have to do to sort this out. Baby steps please :)
 
Maggie52 said:
My D610 arrived this morning:) had a wee bit play in the garden. Tried downloading the raw files and I cant open them:( I have CS5 with ACR 6.5 It says my camera is not supported? Now remember I am pretty well PC illiterate but can anyone talk me through what I have to do to sort this out. Baby steps please :)
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Hi Maggie,

Check the following link. I would have thought it applies to the D610 also.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1221036
 
Hi Neil
That looks like it is saying that anything above ACR 7 is only supported by CS6 or higher/
 
Maggie52 said:
Hi Neil
That looks like it is saying that anything above ACR 7 is only supported by CS6 or higher/
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That's correct. So unfortunately you'll have to upgrade to a later version of Photoshop or convert the files to DNG so they can be read by CS5.
 
Nick65 said:
You could upgrade your copy of CS5 to Photoshop CC (which could be expensive) or download the free Adobe Raw and DNG converter http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows and convert the raw files to DNG (the converter runs a batch process so you can convert all of your files in one go). You will then be able to open and edit these files in CS5.
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If I download the DNG converter thing form that list , which one should I download?

Told you I was PC illiterate
 
Maggie52 said:
If I download the DNG converter thing form that list , which one should I download?

Told you I was PC illiterate
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You might as well pick the latest 8.6, as the Nikon D610 was included in version 8.3 and later.

I've had to do this with my CS5 and new Fuji HS50 camera. It's a bit of a pain, but I soon got used to it. You just run the converter application, pick the folder where you've downloaded your images, pick a folder where you want the converted images (this can be the same location), choose a new name for your files (is optional) and then go off an have a cuppa, whilst the files are processed.
 
Nick65 said:
You might as well pick the latest 8.6, as the Nikon D610 was included in version 8.3 and later.

I've had to do this with my CS5 and new Fuji HS50 camera. It's a bit of a pain, but I soon got used to it. You just run the converter application, pick the folder where you've downloaded your images, pick a folder where you want the converted images (this can be the same location), choose a new name for your files (is optional) and then go off an have a cuppa, whilst the files are processed.
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Thanks Neil, I will give this a go...I'll no doubt be back when I cant do it:( Pretty useless at all this techie stuff.
 
OMG!!! I only went and did it :banana: I hope it wasn't a fluke and that I wont be able to do it again. Thanks Neil for your kind assistance. Now I'm left pondering, do I upgrade to the new Creative cloud thing or just continue with this. It does pee me off mind. I guess its Adobes way of making you upgrade.Grrrr
 
Maggie52 said:
OMG!!! I only went and did it :banana: I hope it wasn't a fluke and that I wont be able to do it again. Thanks Neil for your kind assistance.
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Glad it's all working. If you are anything like me, you'll forget you have to convert the files in a couple of weeks, and only realise when you try to open the native raw files again.

Maggie52 said:
Now I'm left pondering, do I upgrade to the new Creative cloud thing or just continue with this. It does pee me off mind. I guess its Adobes way of making you upgrade.Grrrr
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To be fair, it's not really Adobe's fault. The camera manufacturers can't standardise on a raw format so whilst Adobe now put the latest cameras raw support into the latest version of Photoshop, Lightroom etc, they gave up trying to keep adding support for their older software. I'm still running CS5 and it does everything I need it to do, apart from open my raw files, so I'm more than happy to stick with it.

Regards

Nick (although you can call me Neil :))
 
Nick65 said:
Glad it's all working. If you are anything like me, you'll forget you have to convert the files in a couple of weeks, and only realise when you try to open the native raw files again.



To be fair, it's not really Adobe's fault. The camera manufacturers can't standardise on a raw format so whilst Adobe now put the latest cameras raw support into the latest version of Photoshop, Lightroom etc, they gave up trying to keep adding support for their older software. I'm still running CS5 and it does everything I need it to do, apart from open my raw files, so I'm more than happy to stick with it.

Regards

Nick (although you can call me Neil :))
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Oh dear:( I told you I was a bit dippy, sorry Nick Yes I think I will stay with CS5, I don't use a quarter of the functions so can't see the point in upgrading th CC. A guy at the camera club tonight who has a 610 says he can open raw files via his version of Elements?
 
The above is a perfect example why I shoot in JPEG and then convert the files to TIFF using Canon's own software (DPP)

But apart from the way I do it you should also have the same facility with Nikon to convert your RAW files.
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petersmart said:
The above is a perfect example why I shoot in JPEG and then convert the files to TIFF using Canon's own software (DPP)

But apart from the way I do it you should also have the same facility with Nikon to convert your RAW files.
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Hi, yes I do have a disc that came with the camera, Nikon ViewNX2. I haven't loaded it as yet, with previous cameras I've never used their own image editing programmes. I will have a look tomorrow, I believe it may be possible to open them and save them as Tiffs. ( sounds like I know what I'm talking about) Thanks
 
Maggie52 said:
Hi, yes I do have a disc that came with the camera, Nikon ViewNX2. I haven't loaded it as yet, with previous cameras I've never used their own image editing programmes. I will have a look tomorrow, I believe it may be possible to open them and save them as Tiffs. ( sounds like I know what I'm talking about) Thanks
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You will be able to save them out as TIFF files, yes. You can't (and don't want to) open them as TIFFs: It opens them, and lets you do some basic editing on them as raw files, which is preferable as it's non-destructive, and can be reset to "as shot".


petersmart said:
The above is a perfect example why I shoot in JPEG and then convert the files to TIFF using Canon's own software (DPP)

But apart from the way I do it you should also have the same facility with Nikon to convert your RAW files.
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That's a terrible reason. If you are using Canon's own software, why not shoot in RAW? Even if you still want to convert it to a TIFF straight away, why choose to shoot in a 8bit compressed format when you don't need to?
 
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Maggie52 said:
A guy at the camera club tonight who has a 610 says he can open raw files via his version of Elements?
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Hi Maggie,

Elements hasn't gone to Creative Cloud so is still available as a 'boxed' product, so you get the latest version on DVD when you buy it. The Nikon D610 was added to Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) in version 8.3, but only version 8.1 is included in the latest version of Elements 12, so you then have to update the ACR version, within the software, but you'll would ultimately get the camera support with this version. However the ACR you have with Photoshop CS5 has a lot more options than ACR that you get with Elements (see here). So I would still stick with CS5 and convert to DNG.

As to Peter's suggestion, I'm not sure why converting to TIFF would be any easier/better than converting to DNG and then processing the file.
 
Pookeyhead said:
You will be able to save them out as TIFF files, yes. You can't (and don't want to) open them as TIFFs: It opens them, and lets you do some basic editing on them as raw files, which is preferable as it's non-destructive, and can be reset to "as shot"
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Not quite sure what you mean there since you can't alter RAW files in any way.

If you convert them to TIFFs all you're doing is making it easier to edit them in any editing program without having to spend more money.

That's a terrible reason. If you are using Canon's own software, why not shoot in RAW? Even if you still want to convert it to a TIFF straight away, why choose to shoot in a 8bit compressed format when you don't need to?
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Had this argument many times so can't be bothered any more but to sum up - Shooting JPEGs (FOR ME) has many advantages over RAW - my battery lasts longer, less room taken up on the memory card and far less room taken up on my PC and other places - and as I have said many times over to various people if you can't tell the difference between my finished pics and those shot in RAW then FOR ME there's no point in shooting in RAW.

And the OPs dilemma proves the point - at least to my satisfaction - that using RAW can be expensive whereas the editing programs I use (DPP, Neat Image, EasyHDR Pro 2, PhotoPlus X2) all work perfectly well for me without needing to upgrade every times a new version comes out.

So I'm quite happy shooting as I do.
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Nick65 said:
Hi Maggie,

Elements hasn't gone to Creative Cloud so is still available as a 'boxed' product, so you get the latest version on DVD when you buy it. The Nikon D610 was added to Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) in version 8.3, but only version 8.1 is included in the latest version of Elements 12, so you then have to update the ACR version, within the software, but you'll would ultimately get the camera support with this version. However the ACR you have with Photoshop CS5 has a lot more options than ACR that you get with Elements (see here). So I would still stick with CS5 and convert to DNG.

As to Peter's suggestion, I'm not sure why converting to TIFF would be any easier/better than converting to DNG and then processing the file.
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TIFF is far more widely used than DNG which is a proprietary Adobe format and many programs do not support it whereas nearly all editing programs etc will support TIFF.
 
So... It would appear that which ever solution I choose, ie converting to DNG or converting to Tiffs via Nikon Software the outcome is more or less the same?Another process added to the workflow. Will try the Tiff option and see which works out the quickest and easiest. Thank you all for your helpful suggestions.
 
Nikon View NX2 is now out of date!!
The latest free program from Nikon is Capture NX-D. This will open your raw files and apply any camera settings such as white balance, saturation, sharpening etc etc. You can change any of these as you wish. NX-D is good for doing basic editing and you can always save as TIFF to open in another program if you want to do more.
 
AndyHayball said:
Buy Lightroom for a hundred pounds and enjoy the RAW support. Small investment for time saved and ease of use.
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I really didn't want to fork out yet more money even though folk speak highly of Lightroom.

Suvv said:
Nikon View NX2 is now out of date!!
The latest free program from Nikon is Capture NX-D. This will open your raw files and apply any camera settings such as white balance, saturation, sharpening etc etc. You can change any of these as you wish. NX-D is good for doing basic editing and you can always save as TIFF to open in another program if you want to do more.
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Kev, can you help me get my head around this please. If I download Capture NX-D and I apply any touch ups that I want ( having first got the hang of it;)) Do I then save them as a Tiffs? Jpegs? and then can I open them in photoshop? I'm just trying to understand how the work flows.
 
petersmart said:
Not quite sure what you mean there since you can't alter RAW files in any way.
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That's my point.. it's non destructive editing.

petersmart said:
If you convert them to TIFFs all you're doing is making it easier to edit them in any editing program without having to spend more money.
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I know.. I wasn't advising opening them as TIFFs. Quite the opposite.
 
Maggie52 said:
I really didn't want to fork out yet more money even though folk speak highly of Lightroom.



Kev, can you help me get my head around this please. If I download Capture NX-D and I apply any touch ups that I want ( having first got the hang of it;)) Do I then save them as a Tiffs? Jpegs? and then can I open them in photoshop? I'm just trying to understand how the work flows.
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Hi Maggie, A bit of a late reply as I have been away so you may have the answer already.
When you have finished the global editing in Capture NX-D you can convert the file to TIFF or JPEG and then open in your other editing program to do any local editing. JPEG is a lossy format so some information is discarded when you convert, TIFF is a lossless format so no information is discarded, however the TIFF file will be huge! For most purposes JPEG is fine unless you do massive changes or pixel peep.
The best thing is to try both and see if there are any noticeable differences.
 
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