Help with local paper

another quick question

how do you normally get more chances with other clubs to do more photography , im not on about agency's either

is it a case of turn up have a chat with the manager and go from there or would it be give the club a email and see what comes back

im about to send off my CRB so i can do kids sunday league football ( i know it is not needed but club insist so will abide )

but what about mid week games at other local ish clubs i know there is several in the area that sometimes play or karate , other kind of sports , how do you go about it , im keen on going further and learning more
 
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wegotitugetit said:
another quick question

how do you normally get more chances with other clubs to do more photography , im not on about agency's either

is it a case of turn up have a chat with the manager and go from there or would it be give the club a email and see what comes back

im about to send off my CRB so i can do kids sunday league football ( i know it is not needed but club insist so will abide )

but what about mid week games at other local ish clubs i know there is several in the area that sometimes play or karate , other kind of sports , how do you go about it , im keen on going further and learning more
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email and ask... simple as that really... thats exactly what i do.. I never turn up anywhere un announced.. someone will be aware i am coming :)
 
wegotitugetit said:
thanks this was my thoughts

do you get them replying often when you do ask ???

i tried a few before a year or so and didnt get a reply
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it rather depends where you get your emails from... i got more replies once i started getting the contact emails off the local media/newspapers... rather than online..
 
KIPAX said:
while i am checking this thread I ahve an email from a paper wanting a pic.. I ahve just replied.. I am almost certain they will say no budget... but they say urgent and need today so they might :)... anyone ever dealt with jewish chronicle?
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Nice one...
 
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EireAsh said:
Actually that's probably a better example ... would, or could, a case arise where a paper might have a staffer/freelancer at a game, they submit images but an agency has a snapper at a game and their images are also submitted to the same paper. The agency shots are used and the staffer/freelancer gets nowt.?

(Sorry if that all sounds a bit mad or impossible, its just something that popped into my head)
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I had that happen once, the paper forgot they had sent a staffer there.
 
CaptainPenguin said:
Thanks Graham this is an interesting quote from that link but its not going to stop me trying to get something from them now that I have
"Hopefully made a name for myself"

"Some regional and provincial newspapers pay such low rates that the NUJ cannot actually recommend that such work is undertaken, unless the photographer can compensate by using the pictures as stock, or needs to make a name for him/herself. "


Oh and Alex sorry if I appear to have hijacked your thread hopefully all this information will be of much use to you as it is to me.
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That actually says "such low rates" it doesnt say get nothing
 
wegotitugetit said:
another quick question

how do you normally get more chances with other clubs to do more photography , im not on about agency's either

is it a case of turn up have a chat with the manager and go from there or would it be give the club a email and see what comes back

im about to send off my CRB so i can do kids sunday league football ( i know it is not needed but club insist so will abide )

but what about mid week games at other local ish clubs i know there is several in the area that sometimes play or karate , other kind of sports , how do you go about it , im keen on going further and learning more
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Now thats a scary thought many years ago I refereed one kids game and I have never been so scared in my life (Of the parents),make sure you get shots of all the little darlings or you are cat food
 
Gary Coyle said:
Read my post above
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It still says quite the opposite of what everyone else is preaching.. I found it very funny to be honest.. Its saying they think its OK to sell your pics for next to nothing if your looking for credit to get your name about... Remember the link was posted wiht the line about not undercutting others? :)
 
KIPAX said:
It still says quite the opposite of what everyone else is preaching.. I found it very funny to be honest.. Its saying they think its OK to sell your pics for next to nothing if your looking for credit to get your name about... Remember the link was posted wiht the line about not undercutting others? :)
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Think the quote is more aimed at the smaller local papers with a very low distribution and therefore a low revenue from advertising etc my local rag has about 12,000 distribution and the one i worked for was actually a free paper with very little income, the sports editor was also the main roving reporter come staff photographer and accounts clerk, its understandable that small papers like this will have a very limited budget, when i first started doing work for then it was only £25 a game and i was under no illusion they simply ouldnt afford anymore. And because they only pay so little youre not really doing anyone out of work because no one else would work for that amount, certainally no established photographer.
 
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its probably just my sense of humor.. A website that people have been sent to for years.. to find out the price and dont go cheaper... has that written on it... just seemed comical to me..

personally i dont give a monkeys what people charge..
 
To be fair, we both know some of those rates are totally [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER], i mean its stupid for them to say on that page "the NUJ cannot recommend that a photographer work for less than £250 a day" ha, ha. i really dont see any local or regional paper coughing that sort of money up.

Mind i think those rates seem to be aimed more at the photo journalists rather than a dedicated sports photographer working on a game by game basis.
 
Having read this thread with great interest I would like to add this.
Until last year I played local football (Salisbury & District), this year I now photograph local football. Having noticed there was no coverage of local football by the local weekly newspaper, apart from match reports submitted by teams, who actually sponsor the league. I started to submit a few pictures each week to the paper and one of them is usually printed. I do not get any payment but I do get credited.
So my question is, if the newspaper can't or won't pay then should I not bother submitting. Also, I do offer low resolution, watermarked photos to teams for their web page/facebook page with the hope of players wanting either prints or full resolution downloads.
Dave
 
Sgt_Bilko99 said:
So my question is, if the newspaper can't or won't pay then should I not bother submitting.
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Only you can answer that.. I believe nobody else should.. Nobody should be able to tell you what you can or can't do with your pictures... As you say you ahve read the thread then you ahve a good idea of whats what.. then up to you to decide :)



Sgt_Bilko99 said:
Also, I do offer low resolution, watermarked photos to teams for their web page/facebook page with the hope of players wanting either prints or full resolution downloads.
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Same here :)
 
Sgt_Bilko99 said:
So my question is, if the newspaper can't or won't pay then should I not bother submitting.
Dave
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Just a final thought to ponder over, the papers have x amount of pages to fill with a mixture of words and photos, if they publish 2 photos from you and 1 from another budding local sports tog and pay you both nothing how on earth would they have filled those blank spaces if neither of you would have submitted for free, simple answer is they would have used photos from a freelancer or staff photographer, someone would have been paid.

Never ever believe any paper who tells you they dont have the budget or give you some rubbish about how times are hard and were cutting back etc, etc, fact is they are Newspapers and by their very nature they print stories along with pictures, no paper ever started with the belief that they wouldnt have to pay for photographs.

If they want it bad enough they will pay.

No one is saying dont submit but if you think your work is totally worthless then by all means give it away but if your work has some value to you then you know the answer.
 
Sgt_Bilko99 said:
Also, I do offer low resolution, watermarked photos to teams for their web page/facebook page with the hope of players wanting either prints or full resolution downloads.
Dave
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Thats called "speculate to accumulate" and nothing wrong with that in my book.
 
Gary Coyle said:
Just a final thought to ponder over, the papers have x amount of pages to fill with a mixture of words and photos, if they publish 2 photos from you and 1 from another budding local sports tog and pay you both nothing how on earth would they have filled those blank spaces if neither of you would have submitted for free, simple answer is they would have used photos from a freelancer or staff photographer, someone would have been paid.

No they'd just use stock, we used to use a lot of stock!

If they want it bad enough they will pay.
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:lol: of course they will :lol:
 
KIPAX said:
... anyone ever dealt with jewish chronicle?
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KIPAX said:
Nice one... quick easy 50 quid.. hopefully in this fridays edition :) we have one jewish player on loan.. second spell with us.. scored his first ever goal v bury.. jacobson ...
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I see you asked if anyone had dealt with them.

My brother did some IT work for them last year.

His fee of £300/day was not a problem.
 
zilly said:
:lol: of course they will :lol:
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Yes they will, but only for a limited period of time before they lose any respect as a serious publication, players move to different teams etc, etc and stock images of players with a 3 year old kit on attached to current journalistic scribblings, match reports etc look seriously unprofessional and also upsets the club in question and its current sponsors who want to see their name emblazened accross the back page not some old sponsor who no longer puts a penny into the club.

And bear in mind that at some stage the newspaper will have paid for the stock image
 
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bigrob said:
I see you asked if anyone had dealt with them.

My brother did some IT work for them last year.

His fee of £300/day was not a problem.
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Thats IT and not a sports related photograph, no paper nowadays can even exist without its computer network, even a couple of hours downtime can screw a business totally therefore the IT guy who gets them back up and running and able to meet the publication deadline can charge whatever he wants, that same paper can live without a single photograph and pay accordingly
 
Gary Coyle said:
Seriously, whats with that comment Rob.
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Gary - it was meant as a light hearted quip.

£25 is not a lot money, so the joke was if you started in 1958 then £25 was a lot of money.

Apologies if it was upsetting.
 
Gary Coyle said:
Thats IT and not a sports related photograph, no paper nowadays can even exist without its computer network, even a couple of hours downtime can screw a business totally therefore the IT guy who gets them back up and running and able to meet the publication deadline can charge whatever he wants, that same paper can live without a single photograph and pay accordingly
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I was trying to say that they have money and can afford to pay for images.
 
Gary Coyle said:
... stock images of players with a 3 year old kit on attached to current journalistic scribblings, match reports etc look seriously unprofessional and also upsets the club in question and its current sponsors who want to see their name emblazened accross the back page not some old sponsor who no longer puts a penny into the club.
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100% true.
A couple of seasons ago I was kit man for my local LoI team. Due to a variety of reasons, we had to use an old kit for a preseason training game played away from home, and the kit in question had an old sponsor. It was "behind closed doors" a training game, organised at the last minute, so at the time it wasn't a big deal.

Regional paper ran a report on how preseason was going and used a stock image of our striker from 2 seasons previous. The image used happened to have the same sponsor as the kit they wore in the training game ... so when the current sponsor saw the paper he want ballistic.

I got a phone call instructing me to gather up all of that kit and burn it, while the paper got a call telling them not to use any stock images from previous seasons!

Its only right too, sponsor pays a lot of money to be on the jersey so to see the Club advertising another business is an insult to them.
 
bigrob said:
Gary - it was meant as a light hearted quip.

£25 is not a lot money, so the joke was if you started in 1958 then £25 was a lot of money.

Apologies if it was upsetting.
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Nah sorry mate, i shouldn't log on so soon after getting up, seems i read everything wrong so early on a morning, soz mate.

But £25 quid was all i got for Sunday Morning soccer, thats about 8-9 years ago i think, i was using a 10d at the time.

To be honest the going rate for what i shoot isn't a massive amount more, there simply isnt the money in Rugby League unless youre attached to SWPix, Getty or some other big agency like that covering all the prestige Super League games for the Nationals, KIPAX and Ste know the sort of rates for covering local RL games, if you can subsidise that by covering for the away teams paper as well and for the regional and local papers then its decent as youre getting paid 3 times in effect.
 
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Gary Coyle said:
Nah sorry mate, i shouldn't log on so soon after getting up, seems i read everything wrong so early on a morning, soz mate.
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Not a morning person then LOL.

I'm up at 5am every morning to get to work before 6am.

Thanks for all the explaining about money etc for shootomg games.
 
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