Help with Canon R, RP and 6D MK2

[stupar]

I'm genuinely in a dilemma between these three cameras.
Main use will be landscapes and portraits and ideally coupled to a 24-105 F4 to start with.

I'm in a quandary as to whether the 6D MK2 is still a worthy purchase against its mirrorless sibblings.

Also, if I go for an R or RP, would I notice much difference between the RF 24-105 and the EF equivalent with adaptor.

Any help or enlightenment give will be a massive help.

 

[fujilover]

I hear a rumor of a RP MK 2 after the R3 at some point but could be way off in the distance or close enough to wait it out.

I am waiting it out because the RP seems not so great from what i hear and the R is an awkward buy now unless you can get a good used deal or want to buy new grey at well over £1K.

i think a lot of people are in the same boat, the R5 / R6 are expensive and there may be a long wait for RP / R replacements.

 

[stupar]

I hear a rumor of a RP MK 2 after the R3 at some point but could be way off in the distance or close enough to wait it out.

I am waiting it out because the RP seems not so great from what i hear and the R is an awkward buy now unless you can get a good used deal or want to buy new grey at well over £1K.

i think a lot of people are in the same boat, the R5 / R6 are expensive and there may be a long wait for RP / R replacements.

Not sure if can hold out for the waiting game now that I have sold my X100F.
I don't want to be too long without a camera.

Part of me thinks a 6D2 with some L glass will suffice for my landscapes and portraits.

It just hard I guess as mirrorless is paving the way and the 6D2 is pushing 4 years old now and things have changed quite a bit.

 

[magicolor1]

All three are very good cameras and will do just fine for almost any type of photography. The reviews are often very nit-picky as they have to find something to differentiate different models. RF lenses are currently almost all at the expensive pro end of the range, but adapted EF lenses work very well on any of the RF bodies. Of the three I’d probably pick the RP for value-for-money, and the small size/weight but if you have big hands you might be better off with a bigger grip.

 

[stupar]

All three are very good cameras and will do just fine for almost any type of photography. The reviews are often very nit-picky as they have to find something to differentiate different models. RF lenses are currently almost all at the expensive pro end of the range, but adapted EF lenses work very well on any of the RF bodies. Of the three I’d probably pick the RP for value-for-money, and the small size/weight but if you have big hands you might be better off with a bigger grip.

RP seems the obvious choice doesn't it coupled with the adaptor and some EF lenses.

 

[ABTog]

I had the 6D Mk1 and now have the RP. I shoot mostly landscapes.
The RP is a great camera. It's smaller and much lighter than it's DSLR equivalent.
The RP is basically the 6D Mk2 in mirrorless form, so it's the same sensor and almost the same functions. But the EVF means you can zoom in while using it (to check focus for example), you can judge your exposure easily as it gives you pretty much what you'll capture in the EVF.

Last year I used the Canon Test Drive programme to borrow the RP and RF 24-105.
Here's the RP next to the 6D, both with their native 24-105L lenses.


If weight is a concern for you, then it will be of interest that the RP combo is 200g lighter.
The body is definitely smaller, but you don't save quite so much in size on the lens.

The size advantage starts to get negated once you add in an adaptor. Currently I'm using the EF 24-105L (Mk1) on the RP and with the Viltrox adapter (the Canon adapters are tricky to get at a decent price currently), that adds about 1.5cm to the length of the lens.
The EF lenses work very well with the RP on the adapter, and actually focus accuracy is better because it's focusing via the dual pixel AF on the sensor rather than a seperate AF sensor.

As for cost, the RP can be had for £800 or less s/h vs about £1000 for the 6D Mk2. The EOS R is about £1200 s/h.
RF lenses are a bit tricky to get hold of at the moment, depending what you're wanting. I'm still trying to get hold of the RF 24-105L for a reasonable price.

The 24-105L is a superb lens for landscapes, whether it's the EF or RF version.
As for portraits, the RF 50mm f1.8 is great and only about £200 new. The RF 85mm f2 is great too (another one I've tried on the Canon Test Drive programme), but that's about £550ish.
The EF 85mm f1.8 would cost you about £200 s/h.

I guess it also depends on what gear you have currently. Do you have any EF fit lenses? Do you have a crop sensor Canon?
If you go for an RF mount camera, can you afford to get all new lenses or do you have some EF glass you want to keep?

The 6D was a good camera, the 6D Mk2 is a better version, though arguably the main improvement is the AF system. However if you get the RP, you get the smaller body, higher MP/newer sensor and the much better AF system.
And you're buying into the new lens mount system, meaning it'll continue to be "current" for longer. EF will still be around for years as there are so many good cameras and lenses, but Canon has already discontinued a few EF lenses.

 

[stupar]

I had the 6D Mk1 and now have the RP. I shoot mostly landscapes.
The RP is a great camera. It's smaller and much lighter than it's DSLR equivalent.
The RP is basically the 6D Mk2 in mirrorless form, so it's the same sensor and almost the same functions. But the EVF means you can zoom in while using it (to check focus for example), you can judge your exposure easily as it gives you pretty much what you'll capture in the EVF.

Last year I used the Canon Test Drive programme to borrow the RP and RF 24-105.
Here's the RP next to the 6D, both with their native 24-105L lenses.
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If weight is a concern for you, then it will be of interest that the RP combo is 200g lighter.
The body is definitely smaller, but you don't save quite so much in size on the lens.

The size advantage starts to get negated once you add in an adaptor. Currently I'm using the EF 24-105L (Mk1) on the RP and with the Viltrox adapter (the Canon adapters are tricky to get at a decent price currently), that adds about 1.5cm to the length of the lens.
The EF lenses work very well with the RP on the adapter, and actually focus accuracy is better because it's focusing via the dual pixel AF on the sensor rather than a seperate AF sensor.

As for cost, the RP can be had for £800 or less s/h vs about £1000 for the 6D Mk2. The EOS R is about £1200 s/h.
RF lenses are a bit tricky to get hold of at the moment, depending what you're wanting. I'm still trying to get hold of the RF 24-105L for a reasonable price.

The 24-105L is a superb lens for landscapes, whether it's the EF or RF version.
As for portraits, the RF 50mm f1.8 is great and only about £200 new. The RF 85mm f2 is great too (another one I've tried on the Canon Test Drive programme), but that's about £550ish.
The EF 85mm f1.8 would cost you about £200 s/h.

I guess it also depends on what gear you have currently. Do you have any EF fit lenses? Do you have a crop sensor Canon?
If you go for an RF mount camera, can you afford to get all new lenses or do you have some EF glass you want to keep?

The 6D was a good camera, the 6D Mk2 is a better version, though arguably the main improvement is the AF system. However if you get the RP, you get the smaller body, higher MP/newer sensor and the much better AF system.
And you're buying into the new lens mount system, meaning it'll continue to be "current" for longer. EF will still be around for years as there are so many good cameras and lenses, but Canon has already discontinued a few EF lenses.

Thanks for this, this is the kind of advice that helps massively.
I'm coming from fuji so starting from scratch (though I do have prior experience with a 5D2 and many EF L lenses).
I loved my 5D2 fof full frame landscapes even when it was long in the tooth and the prior experience with Fuji mirrorless will no doubt help with the RP.

I think my head is now heading in the right direction.

 

[ABTog]

Thanks for this, this is the kind of advice that helps massively.
I'm coming from fuji so starting from scratch (though I do have prior experience with a 5D2 and many EF L lenses).
I loved my 5D2 fof full frame landscapes even when it was long in the tooth and the prior experience with Fuji mirrorless will no doubt help with the RP.

I think my head is now heading in the right direction.

No worries.
If you're used to the size/weight of a Fuji system (ignoring the f2.8 zooms) they are all smaller and lighter than the Canon RF L lenses. But in terms of image quality, the Fuji system is very good and they can certainly hold their own for landscapes.
So the question is: if you are coming from Fuji, what is it that's making you want to change system completely?
What's the Fuji lacking? What is it not doing for you?

 

[stupar]

No worries.
If you're used to the size/weight of a Fuji system (ignoring the f2.8 zooms) they are all smaller and lighter than the Canon RF L lenses. But in terms of image quality, the Fuji system is very good and they can certainly hold their own for landscapes.
So the question is: if you are coming from Fuji, what is it that's making you want to change system completely?
What's the Fuji lacking? What is it not doing for you?

I started with an XT1 before moving to XT2.
I swapped zooms for primes and all was OK then i settled on a fixed lens X100F which in itself was ok.........and here's the but, I miss full frame.

I loved my Canon 5D2 and the way it rendered images through nice L glass and I feel it's where I want to be again.
Whether an itch to scratch or just a case of bad 'gas' I don't think I will regret the move, its just settling once right body and glass to get me going.
If the future of Canon morrorless works out for me then I am happy to slowly invest in the RF L lenses.

 

[ABTog]

I started with an XT1 before moving to XT2.
I swapped zooms for primes and all was OK then i settled on a fixed lens X100F which in itself was ok.........and here's the but, I miss full frame.

I loved my Canon 5D2 and the way it rendered images through nice L glass and I feel it's where I want to be again.
Whether an itch to scratch or just a case of bad 'gas' I don't think I will regret the move, its just settling once right body and glass to get me going.
If the future of Canon morrorless works out for me then I am happy to slowly invest in the RF L lenses.

I know what you mean about the way full frame renders images.
I borrowed a 5D2 a couple of times and that was what convinced me I wanted full frame myself.
The 6D was a better camera than the 5D2 but with the same limited number of AF points (although better live view).
I'd thoroughly recommend trying an RF mount camera for a weekend from the Canon Test Drive programme. It's free (with a refundable deposit), then you can compare with the Fuji before splurging.
Get the RP, 24-105L, 50mm and/or 85f2 to try and see how you get on with it.

 

[felixinbali]

I recently bought the RP with the EF adaptor and absolutely love it. Previously had the 5D Mark 2 which finally died. Coming from the 5D II the AF of the RP is absoloutely magic to me. I do mostly people photography and the eye tracking feature is fantastic. Picture quality is absolutely fine to me. I have reading glasses so the EVF is a sent from heaven since I can correct it for my weak eyes. I turn of the LCD most of the time since I don't want to take reading glasses on and off. Maybe because of that the battery life for me is great. I'm getting around 500-600 shots out of one battery which is absolutely fine. I only use EF lenses and they work perfectly (EF 24-105 F4 L, EF 50 1.4) with the adaptor without image degradation.. I guess the newer RF lenses are better but they are also freaking expensive. Once full frame you can't go back ;-).

 

[ABTog]

I recently bought the RP with the EF adaptor and absolutely love it. Previously had the 5D Mark 2 which finally died. Coming from the 5D II the AF of the RP is absoloutely magic to me. I do mostly people photography and the eye tracking feature is fantastic. Picture quality is absolutely fine to me. I have reading glasses so the EVF is a sent from heaven since I can correct it for my weak eyes. I turn of the LCD most of the time since I don't want to take reading glasses on and off. Maybe because of that the battery life for me is great. I'm getting around 500-600 shots out of one battery which is absolutely fine. I only use EF lenses and they work perfectly (EF 24-105 F4 L, EF 50 1.4) with the adaptor without image degradation.. I guess the newer RF lenses are better but they are also freaking expensive. Once full frame you can't go back ;-).

I had the EF 50 1.4 and found the AF to be slow, so when I got my RP, I sold that and got the RF 50 f1.8 which is smaller, lighter, faster to AF and just as good optically. And at £200 it was practically a straight swap for the old f1.4. To be honest I don't really miss the ability to shoot at f1.4. Plus the RP and RF50 are a really small light combo for carrying around, almost pocketable.
Oh and regarding battery life, I have turned off image review (no more chimping) and I run it on eco mode.
I also have extra batteries and I have an Anker USB-C powerbank which can charge the battery while in the camera.

 

[stupar]

Thanks for the information above folks.

I managed to snag a deal from Ffordes for an EOS R plus Ezf mount adapter.

I struggled to find an RF 24-105 F4 for a price that would work within my overall budget so I opted for a mint used EF 24-105MM F4L ii instead.

If all works well then over time I will make the switch to RF lenses.

 

[felixinbali]

I had the EF 50 1.4 and found the AF to be slow, so when I got my RP, I sold that and got the RF 50 f1.8 which is smaller, lighter, faster to AF and just as good optically. And at £200 it was practically a straight swap for the old f1.4. To be honest I don't really miss the ability to shoot at f1.4. Plus the RP and RF50 are a really small light combo for carrying around, almost pocketable.
Oh and regarding battery life, I have turned off image review (no more chimping) and I run it on eco mode.
I also have extra batteries and I have an Anker USB-C powerbank which can charge the battery while in the camera.

Yes, forgot to mention I also turn of image review. I don't use eco mode though. Need to check what that does . I have one original spare battery - its outragous how much that cost.
I test connected a Samsung Super Fast USB-C powerbank but never checked how long that would take. I was thinking about selling my EF 40 1.4 for the RF version but I really love that lens for portraits so kept it. Maybe I would rather upgrade to the EF 50 1.2 for me which starts to get affordable in the used market.