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A friend of mine has just started out manufacturing tables for camper vans.
Now as its a new venture he needs to photograph every one he makes to show other interested people what he can do.
How would you reccomend he does it?
I sugessted making a big light box?
Heres his camera
http://www.amazon.com/Ricoh-CX2-Digital-Stabilized-Resolution/dp/B002W6Z80M

I thought a bigger version of this would do, but I am also a beginner
http://experimentalbeauty.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/my-homemade-lightbox.html
Your help as allways woud be appreciated
 
what are the dimensions of the biggest table he will make? a light box will most likely be the best way depending on the size.
 
what are the dimensions of the biggest table he will make? a light box will most likely be the best way depending on the size.

I have sent him a mail so should have some more details later
Thanks for a prompt reply, I will see if I can get an image of his too, so you can see whats wrong
 
There's no magic bullet here, positioning lighting and shooting products is a skill (like making tables). It's not just a case of buying a light tent, which I'd be surprised to see as a good solution.

I'd be surprised if that camera is up to the job, 2 lights (at least) with softboxes, a background and a tripod.

It's one of the few occasions that I'd say a cheap eBay daylight balanced continuous set would be suitable. But I'd recommend a decent tripod, s/h DSLR and some training.
 
Surely, for such a specialised product, customers or retailers selling to end users, will really need to see 'in context' product shots, rather than stand alone's.
I discovered the motorbike disc-lock many many years ago, and to get one, ended up tracing the manufacturer through patent numbers, then to get one, buying a minimum batch quantity, which after a bit of grumbling and getting together with a few mates we did, with the idea we could sell the surplus on at bike meets or a small add in the back of MCN.... we went bust eventually when the market cought on.... BUT.... stand alone product shot of a specialist lock designed to fit around a motorbike brake disc, meant nothing to most people.... just looked like a block of metal and a couple of keys... even if they recognised it was a sort of pad-lock... still hard for them to interpret what it was for or how it worked, or how big it was.... so, wheel a bike out the garage, put lock onto the bike, how it was used, take picture of that.... and all of a sudden, the picture makes sense..... and we got that from the magazine we put small add in.... one of the journo's spotted the add, and wondered what on earth we were flogging, so asked to see it! First add got NO SALES.... second add... journo actually took a shot of it on a bike and did a brief review... we had 80 locks in the box from the factory... every one was sold before the magazine even hit the news-stands and we had to get the factory to make us another batch to meet demand!
So... I would have thought that the best thing here was to ponder best way to shoot the tables 'in-situ' in an actual camper van, or veriety of them, rather than detailed stand-alones....
 
i may be an advantage to show it in a campervan or if outside use , showing it in use.

Cheers Steve

Thats the long term plan, but as he makes so many different ones he just needs to start a portfolio
 
There's no magic bullet here, positioning lighting and shooting products is a skill (like making tables). It's not just a case of buying a light tent, which I'd be surprised to see as a good solution.

I'd be surprised if that camera is up to the job, 2 lights (at least) with softboxes, a background and a tripod.

It's one of the few occasions that I'd say a cheap eBay daylight balanced continuous set would be suitable. But I'd recommend a decent tripod, s/h DSLR and some training.
Any chance of a Ebay link so he can see what you mean?
Thnaks
 
Surely, for such a specialised product, customers or retailers selling to end users, will really need to see 'in context' product shots, rather than stand alone's.

So... I would have thought that the best thing here was to ponder best way to shoot the tables 'in-situ' in an actual camper van, or veriety of them, rather than detailed stand-alones....

You are correct but he is a small specialist manufacturer who is just starting out, so if he had the funds he would just farm the work our but he hasnt so cant, he has had to rely on shows, word of mouth and a friend to build the site etc.
I know its not ideal but he has to start some how.
Basically he will finish a table, photograph it and wrap it for post.
He has a few Insitu shots but cant do that for every table
 
He can shoot superb product shots of his tables simply by taking a few props to a motorhome dealers forecourt.
Check out local motorhome dealers, phone them and ask them if they would like to have thier business promoted on his site via pictures of his tables against motorhomes, caravans or even tents that may be on the dealers forecourt.

Having now got accesss to the in situ, very expensive props, he now needs to dress his tables.

Tits and bums are the greatest 'outdoor' sales props of all time so get a young lady with good fore and aft cleavage to erect, dismantle and dress the tables.

Get a colour theme logo and have the young lady (minimally)wear these colours.

Show good close ups of all the features of his tables that make them better than the competition with bits of that young lady in the background.

Don't go mad with props, be brutal in this regard and stick to things you sell, ie, don't cover your table with a table cloth unless you sell table cloths

Do all this in good daylight with his camera and don't worry about professional quality shots they won't sell his stuff..

The tent, Caravan, Motorhome draws the market sector, the cleavage hooks and holds the initial scan, the table, if its good enough will sell itself now you have them looking.

For me, in this instance the actual quality of the photography takes second stage to, content, presentation skill, and the development of a brand on the cheap.

And it should all be designed to happen in the nano seconds that a punter spends getting hooked.

I hope he makes a fortune, god bless all the self employed:thumbs:
 
Thats the long term plan, but as he makes so many different ones he just needs to start a portfolio

I'm wondering why he's making so many different ones? does't s-m-l-ex do the job?
 
He can shoot superb product shots of his tables simply by taking a few props to a motorhome dealers forecourt.
Check out local motorhome dealers, phone them and ask them if they would like to have thier business promoted on his site via pictures of his tables against motorhomes, caravans or even tents that may be on the dealers forecourt.

Having now got accesss to the in situ, very expensive props, he now needs to dress his tables.

Tits and bums are the greatest 'outdoor' sales props of all time so get a young lady with good fore and aft cleavage to erect, dismantle and dress the tables.

Get a colour theme logo and have the young lady (minimally)wear these colours.

Show good close ups of all the features of his tables that make them better than the competition with bits of that young lady in the background.

Don't go mad with props, be brutal in this regard and stick to things you sell, ie, don't cover your table with a table cloth unless you sell table cloths

Do all this in good daylight with his camera and don't worry about professional quality shots they won't sell his stuff..

The tent, Caravan, Motorhome draws the market sector, the cleavage hooks and holds the initial scan, the table, if its good enough will sell itself now you have them looking.

For me, in this instance the actual quality of the photography takes second stage to, content, presentation skill, and the development of a brand on the cheap.

And it should all be designed to happen in the nano seconds that a punter spends getting hooked.

I hope he makes a fortune, god bless all the self employed:thumbs:

Thanks some good tips, we just need a few models now LOL
 
You are correct but he is a small specialist manufacturer who is just starting out, so if he had the funds he would just farm the work our but he hasnt so cant, he has had to rely on shows, word of mouth and a friend to build the site etc.
I know its not ideal but he has to start some how.
Basically he will finish a table, photograph it and wrap it for post.
He has a few Insitu shots but cant do that for every table

Fair enough.... so... rather than wasting time taking a pic of a product that is probably not all that useful, JUST to have a photo to fill space in the scrap-book....

The entrepreneur, would look at the problem and make it an opportunity, not a problem.

And make a 'special offer' for a customer, IF they let him use thier camper to do a product shoot......

1/ If they have a show winning van, that would make the product look good.... you offer them the table for free or at cut price, for use of van for a pro-photo shoot. And you stump the cash to get a pro to make the best of the opportunity when table is done, and the van comes to have it ftted and have its mug-shots done.

2/ You offer free delivery and instalation to a dozen customers IF they let you take photos. Taking a bit of time out to take table to them... along with a camera and if needs be, some-one with clue how to use it. Smaller added outlay, and possibly not such great chance of good shots, but still better than some snaps in teh work-shop.

3/ You find something between, if they bring the van down to have table fitted.

Yes, every-one has to start some-where.... but this is business.... speculate to accumulate.... as well as the craftsman... who should well know, if a jobs worth doing, its worth doing right.

DIY is all well and good, but he's expecting people to pay him for a specialist skill, making them tables rather than doing it themselves to save pennies... surely same logic applies to HIM getting in a pro to do something that is THEIR stock in trade speciality, not his?
 
I totally agree but the problem is many small manufacturers just cant afford this at start up.
I have several good ideas sat in my head but we have only manufactured one as we cant afford to do more, long term if my product sells then I can afford to spend on the others.
My friend is in a similar position, he has to generate sales from very little and has no option but to make it work on the budget he has, if he wasnt so far away I would just pop around and take them
 
I totally agree but the problem is many small manufacturers just cant afford this at start up.
WRONG sort of thinking to be in business... shouldn't be a case of what can you afford to do... its a case of what can't you afford NOT to do.
Look at the car makers that have stayed in business over the last two decades compared to the ones that have gone bump.
The ones that have survived haven;t complained about how much it costs to develop new models before they make any money from them, or how much it costs to publisise them... same with almost any business.
It's a fairly sad fact that for every £100 I spend on a consumer product, the biggest slices of the pice go, in order of size, to the tax-man, the money-lenders, then the sales-man, then the people that shunt the products about and market them, with the smallest slice served to the people that actually made the damn thing, and had to invest most in developing it!

So; the artisan making and selling direct to consumer... big opportunity to remove the parasitic load, taking the lions share of the revinue.... and give the consumer a good value product, at a good price, with the most return to the people who do most to generate it.... BUT... you have to know the system before you can beat it.

Know thy enemy... think like thy enemy... out-think thy enemy.

And the successful entrepreneurs earn thier corn at the end of the day by taking risks.... and investing for success.

You have to think big, you have to think positive, and all that [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER]... but without being unrealistic, nieve or simply living in a fantacy.

And if you have doubts that its 'worth' investing to make your product look as attractive as you can to buyers, and spending what it takes to do that.... then you ought to question whether the product is worth marketing at all!

It was pure serendipty that I discovered the motorbike disc lock; even more that we managed to find the manufacturer... the one I had found was one of just 50 made as an experimental batch.... then more still that clumsily, as a completely nieve engineering student, fell into marketing the darn thing....

Honestly; started with a carboard box on the landing in a shared house; letters coming through the door or messages with credit card numbers on an answer-phone, and packing them between the discarded washing up on the kitchen table!

In eighteen months, we went from a £15 small add in the back of one magazine, to having full two page spreads, and spending £6K a MONTH accross maybe half a dozen or more titles.

End came, when we tried over-stretching ourselves and taking permenant premices, and stretching the catalogue further, and giving up uni to work it full time, the margins were squeezed to provide income and stuff.... added to a little bad luck and more nievity.... the incumbant names had cottoned on to our more innovative products and were selling thier own versions, and adopting our style of marketing.... but still.

Point is; that you are distance selling; and web-site, brochure, magazine ads are your shop window... if people don't see something that they instantly make sense of and are atracted to.... you aren't going to get them through the door.

Good product shots then are probably THE most important sales tool you have... and poor or ameteur pictures, that dont show the product in all its potential glory, are MORE likely to harm your product and product reputation, than a poor product.....

Bit of thought for you.... and no... I never DIY'd any of our prod-shots... I did one set... looked at them, binned them. Called Visa, got the credit limit raised, called a pro! WHO... came round, looked at what we had to sell, looked at our suggested props... my fancy crash-helmet, mates motorbike, shook his head patiently... and when he came to do the shoot.... had blagged brand new motorbike, and brand new crash-helmet and a sexy model, and outfits for her to show our stuff at its VERY best.... and THAT is what you need to do.

Product can be a pile of poo, if its marketed right! (Geez; you wonder how some businesses survive, selling over-priced crap, but we know they do)

Starts with that first contact with your customer, in the promo pics they see, and making the right impression....

Do it half hearted... you'll get a half hearted response, at best.

Just food for thought.
 
Yes, every-one has to start some-where.... but this is business.... speculate to accumulate.... as well as the craftsman... who should well know, if a jobs worth doing, its worth doing right.

DIY is all well and good, but he's expecting people to pay him for a specialist skill, making them tables rather than doing it themselves to save pennies... surely same logic applies to HIM getting in a pro to do something that is THEIR stock in trade speciality, not his?
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