Help!! Old film

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When I "accidentally" bought an ancient Rolleiflex, it came with this in it!




I would like to see if there is anything on it but have no idea if it is B&W or colour or how to go about devvving it!


......any ideas/advice please?


Heather
 
Its b/w..

Now you've accidentally bought a 120 camera, no doubt you'll be accidentally shooting it, so it stands to reason you ought to develop your own........accidentally of course..
 
joxby said:
Its b/w..

Now you've accidentally bought a 120 camera, no doubt you'll be accidentally shooting it, so it stands to reason you ought to develop your own........accidentally of course..
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Thanks,

I do develop my own B&W but didn't know what this was!

Would stand developing in 1-100 Rodinal be ok?

....if there is anything on there!



Heather
 
Sure, I don't see why not, I'm not a stand developer myself but as long as you can ID the film a bit further you should be able to make an educated guess at development time.
 
Nearest I can get is Kodak Verichrome Pan 125


bwneg.jpg



http://processc22.webs.com/bwneg.html
 
Does it say what ASA/ISO/DIN it is on the roll? 125 or 22 (DIN) would indicate Plus-X Pan or Verichrome Pan and 400 or 27 would indicate Tri-X Pan although if its before 1960 then 200 or 24 would also indicate that as the film was 'uprated' to that around then despite there being no actual change in the emulsion! This was because of advances in developer technology that gave much more fine grained negatives than when it was originally introduced in 1940. If it is Tri-X though look up the older Tri-X pan datasheet from before 2007 as it was changed quite a bit after then and the times are quite shorter.
 
joxby said:
Nearest I can get is Kodak Verichrome Pan 125
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It is indeed Verichrome Pan and I have just stand developed it in Rodinal 1-100 for 1 hour and got 12 pictures!


Result! :thumbs:



Heather
 
Excellent, let's have a look then...
 
Andysnap said:
Excellent, let's have a look then...
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Patience, Grasshopper....





......they are drying in the bathroom!


Am I allowed to put them on here as they are technically not my pics?

.....and they are of people.



Heather
 
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You should be fine as long as you say they arent your pictures

I did it last year with a roll someone found, also funnily enough from Verichrome Pan
 
yep - as long as there's a disclaimer on it, and a implicit "no crit" on the shots from anyone, I can't see a problem - after all, the person who took the pictures has pretty much "abandoned" them...

there's been other incidents as well as Rob's... can't remember who exactly - I've had a couple of rolls myself, but frankly, the stuff was recent, and happy-snap stuff, so devoid of any merit for posting (or indeed proper scanning)
 
robhooley167 said:
Here's the thread if you are interested

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=378337&highlight=verichrome+pan
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I have looked at the thread Rob, and tbh I don't think you should have put all of these on a public forum.

There is a thead currently running here

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=436902

which I have read too.

I have decided that it would not be right for me to put the pictures from the Verichrome Pan on here as I do not know how to obtain the copyright owners permission to do so.

The pictures are of a family holiday with three young children, their parents and grandparents (I think). If they were of scenery etc then I would not have so much of a problem, but as they are all of people, some of whom will be dead by now and some very probably still alive, morally I feel I cannot put them on here.

Judging by the clothes and cars I am guessing this was shot in the late fifties or early sixties and the beaches are sandy with beach huts, possibly Dorset/West Country.

So this film has been in the camera for around fifty years.

The twelve negatives I developed were obviously taken by someone who knew what they were doing,(well composed,good exposures and in focus!) and I can only think that something bad has happened to prevent this film from being developed before now. I bought the camera from ebay and when it turned up the film was fully wound on (exposed) and the metal spool was still in place from when the film was put in (unexposed)

I would dearly like to return these to the family as they are part of their history but wouldn't know where to start!


Heather
 
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Tigger.ufo said:
I have looked at the thread Rob, and tbh I don't think you should have put all of these on a public forum.

There is a thead currently running here

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=4991991#post4991991

which I have read too.

I have decided that it would not be right for me to put the pictures from the Verichrome Pan on here as I do not know how to obtain the copyright owners permission to do so.

The pictures are of a family holiday with three young children, their parents and grandparents (I think). If they were of scenery etc then I would not have so much of a problem, but as they are all of people, some of whom will be dead by now and some very probably still alive, morally I feel I cannot put them on here.

Judging by the clothes and cars I am guessing this was shot in the late fifties or early sixties and the beaches are sandy with beach huts, possibly Dorset/West Country.

So this film has been in the camera for around fifty years.

The twelve negatives I developed were obviously taken by someone who knew what they were doing,(well composed,good exposures and in focus!) and I can only think that something bad has happened to prevent this film from being developed before now. I bought the camera from ebay and when it turned up the film was fully wound on (exposed) and the metal spool was still in place from when the film was put in (unexposed)

I would dearly like to return these to the family as they are part of their history but wouldn't know where to start!

Heather
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Why not start a new thread and post one and ask if anyone on here can recognise a face or location. Maybe start a thread in Talk Photography with a link to the thread containing the image.
 
Sounds like a job for twitter tbh, if you could get some one with enough followers to retweet your question you might find an answer.
 
Tigger.ufo said:
I have looked at the thread Rob, and tbh I don't think you should have put all of these on a public forum....

I have decided that it would not be right for me to put the pictures from the Verichrome Pan on here as I do not know how to obtain the copyright owners permission to do so.

The pictures are of a family holiday with three young children, their parents and grandparents (I think). If they were of scenery etc then I would not have so much of a problem, but as they are all of people, some of whom will be dead by now and some very probably still alive, morally I feel I cannot put them on here.
The twelve negatives I developed were obviously taken by someone who knew what they were doing,(well composed,good exposures and in focus!) and I can only think that something bad has happened to prevent this film from being developed before now.
Heather
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It's your choice but I don't see any issue in posting the photos.
It's surprisingly common to buy old cameras with exposed film in them.
The seller had every opportunity to remove the film before sale either to have it developed or disposed of.
Flickr has plenty of groups sharing 'found photographs' and 'vernacular photography' is often featured in 'art photography' journals.
 
I see no issue with posting the photographs, especially as it would be obvious that they were being posted without you taking credit for them, and, especially with holiday snaps, a lot of people take a long time to finish a roll and never get round to taking it out - they forget, the camera gets put away, someone loses an interest in photography.

I've got plenty of rolls hanging around that need to be developed that I simply never got round to, and probably one or two still in cameras that need to be taken out, and I'm sure it's the case for many people on F&C as well.
 
sparty said:
It's your choice but I don't see any issue in posting the photos.
It's surprisingly common to buy old cameras with exposed film in them.
The seller had every opportunity to remove the film before sale either to have it developed or disposed of.
Flickr has plenty of groups sharing 'found photographs' and 'vernacular photography' is often featured in 'art photography' journals.
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Have to agree with Steve Heather, as he rightly puts it is your choice but as one of those people who has posted on the found film Flickr groups and on here I am always really excited to find an exposed film in an old camera and as long as I don't claim them to be 'my own' I think it can bring new life to long forgotten moments.
As most photographs, certainly the snaps the are to be found on the film that are in the cameras I buy, are shots of happy times and events I think it's important that they are not consigned to the rubbish bin.

Although slightly different, when a friend gave me an old cameras that had belonged to her late uncle the family were delighted when I had the roll (of Verichrome) processed and that there actually images on it from approximately 1968. They are now trying to trace the people that were in the shots.

It's like a trip back in time and I find it fascinating.
 
Tigger.ufo said:
I have looked at the thread Rob, and tbh I don't think you should have put all of these on a public forum.

There is a thead currently running here

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=436902

which I have read too.

I have decided that it would not be right for me to put the pictures from the Verichrome Pan on here as I do not know how to obtain the copyright owners permission to do so.

The pictures are of a family holiday with three young children, their parents and grandparents (I think). If they were of scenery etc then I would not have so much of a problem, but as they are all of people, some of whom will be dead by now and some very probably still alive, morally I feel I cannot put them on here.

Judging by the clothes and cars I am guessing this was shot in the late fifties or early sixties and the beaches are sandy with beach huts, possibly Dorset/West Country.

So this film has been in the camera for around fifty years.

The twelve negatives I developed were obviously taken by someone who knew what they were doing,(well composed,good exposures and in focus!) and I can only think that something bad has happened to prevent this film from being developed before now. I bought the camera from ebay and when it turned up the film was fully wound on (exposed) and the metal spool was still in place from when the film was put in (unexposed)

I would dearly like to return these to the family as they are part of their history but wouldn't know where to start!


Heather
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Hi Heather,

Well done with your deving skills......I was unsure about the film bveing verichrome as I have devd several before but all had red backing paper not yellow.
Anyway as it is you got results.
Shame you're not going to post them.
I appreciate your reasons, however i'm wondering if i did wrong by posting the many old shots that i did in these threads:

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=385317

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=381901

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=372936&highlight=asha

Admittedly not all people but there are faces in them that could easily be recognised.

I actually have loads of old negs and glass plates showing people in period dress which i was considering sharing but now i am unsure wether to or not.

Much as relatives could well be alive, i wonder if they would not be fascinated that someone has come across an old relative of theirs.
There again perhaps they would be horrified to see such on the internet.
I wouldn't personally be offended if someone was to post an image from a long lost film of say my grandparents ( who are no longer alive)......but i guess we all react differently.
 
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As it happens, the chap who used to do all the servicing on the familiy's clocks died a few years ago, could well be him. Not sure if he had kids and TBH, I can't remember his name! I will try to remember to pop into what was his shop next time I'm in town and ask them what he was called, then look in the phone book to see if there are any entries under his surname. I can then contact them to find out if he was a keen amateur photographer and if so, I can help you get the negs back to them.

I fully understand your reasons for not posting the pics with people on but would it be possible to post one of the beach scenes? It may help my search if I know how local he was. If not on the open forum, is it possible to PM it to me or even e-mail it?
 
Nod said:
As it happens, the chap who used to do all the servicing on the familiy's clocks died a few years ago, could well be him. Not sure if he had kids and TBH, I can't remember his name! I will try to remember to pop into what was his shop next time I'm in town and ask them what he was called, then look in the phone book to see if there are any entries under his surname. I can then contact them to find out if he was a keen amateur photographer and if so, I can help you get the negs back to them.

I fully understand your reasons for not posting the pics with people on but would it be possible to post one of the beach scenes? It may help my search if I know how local he was. If not on the open forum, is it possible to PM it to me or even e-mail it?
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Thanks Nod. This is the message I got from the seller

Hi Heather, I saw the film but didnt think anythig would have survived on it. It cme fro the stock of a watch repairer who passed away some time ago. Most of the cameras he had were taken to him for repair, but were beyond repair. This one wasnt his but was either taken as payment against a bill, or had been left for him to look at and never collected. geographically it would have come from Exeter area but beyond that I cant shed much light.

I think it is more likely to have been taken in for repair and not collected than for him to have owned it.

The camera I bought has some damage (due to being dropped I suspect!) The corner of the name plate is broken off and the view finder is perhaps not as straight as it could be. It seems to be working ok though.

All of the negs have people in them.

One has a very distinctive carved stone cross/obelisk with three tiered octagonal steps at the base. It has very ornate carvings of ivy leaves all up it and looks as if it is set in a large park/open area with pine trees. Another one is taken at the same place, and shows a large expanse of grass and a small thatched cottage within the park, maybe national trust?

The beach huts look as though they have a row of terraced houses/flats behind and maybe asbestos roofing.

Any more ideas gratefully received!


Heather
 
What about scanning the one with the distinctive cross, blurring out the faces and posting it here?
 
That sounds like a sensible course of action. I've been racking my brain for the watchmaker's name but it hasn't come back to me yet!

Lots of beaches here have beach huts and back in the '50s and '60s would have had asbestos roofs. In fact, I think some of them still do!
 
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