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Just Dave said:
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Hi dave
Yes i did get your pm, i had fun looking through your pictures, they are amazing, how do you manage to get them published on magazines? hope i can become this good ;)

KerryG
 
Ok so ive been reading reviews all last night and started again this morning, and these are getting good reviews, What would be your opinions on these:

Canon

http://panamoz.com/index.php/digita...with-ef-s-18-55-mm-f-3-5-5-6-is-lens-kit.html

http://panamoz.com/index.php/digital-cameras/canon/canon-eos-600d-18-55-kit.html

http://panamoz.com/index.php/digita...650d-with-canon-ef-s-18-55mm-is-ii-kit-2.html

http://panamoz.com/index.php/digita...-and-ef-s-18-135mm-f-3-5-5-6-is-lens-kit.html

nikon

http://panamoz.com/index.php/digital-cameras/nikon/nikon-dslr-d7000-18-105-vr-lens-kit.html

Canon seems to have alot more choice to be honest, i can only find the d7000 that has been recommended so far, is there any other nikons that i should look at? My favorite of the lot so far seems to be the canon 7d or 60d, reason been i have held a 5d mk2 and it felt great to hold, fitted my hand really well, and from what has been said i take it the other models e.g 600d etc are smaller in size and feel i would be unhappy with this, this is the reason for the 7d or 60d as from what ive read they are similar in size to the 5d mk2.

Opinions Please?

KerryG
 
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Hi Kerry

As has been said, the camera you buy needs to be the one you like. There are lots of people that would recommend one over another, mainly because thats what they have and they are comfortable with it.

You need to try them out, see how they feel to you in your hands, how does the button layout feel to you, what about the menu system - is it logical for you, do you like it ... All things that only you can decide - you're spending a lot of money and generally, once you start down the road of photography with a brand, most don't swap brands.

Another thought (just to add to your problems :) ) with regards to Image Stabilisation (IS) - if you want IS with Canon or Nikon, then you need to buy it in the lens, which can add £££'s to the cost, whereas Sony (for example) has IS built into the body, so any lens used will have IS available...

I'd get out today, have a good shop round and trial of different bodies and if you can try to narrow it down.

Good luck ...
 
andyred said:
Hi Kerry

As has been said, the camera you buy needs to be the one you like. There are lots of people that would recommend one over another, mainly because thats what they have and they are comfortable with it.

You need to try them out, see how they feel to you in your hands, how does the button layout feel to you, what about the menu system - is it logical for you, do you like it ... All things that only you can decide - you're spending a lot of money and generally, once you start down the road of photography with a brand, most don't swap brands.

Another thought (just to add to your problems :) ) with regards to Image Stabilisation (IS) - if you want IS with Canon or Nikon, then you need to buy it in the lens, which can add £££'s to the cost, whereas Sony (for example) has IS built into the body, so any lens used will have IS available...

I'd get out today, have a good shop round and trial of different bodies and if you can try to narrow it down.

Good luck ...
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Thanks andyred

yes this is my plan for today, im having a dslr searching day, going to try out all different options availible, and see how i go from there, but i think i have my mind set on either canon or nikon if im honest.

KerryG
 
KerryG said:
Thanks andyred

yes this is my plan for today, im having a dslr searching day, going to try out all different options availible, and see how i go from there, but i think i have my mind set on either canon or nikon if im honest.

KerryG
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Have a great day and enjoy yourself. Don't be swayed by any offers or the salesman's pitch until you have decided what you like ...

And with regards to your previous post re reviews etc - reviews are useful, but I would not buy something based on a review. A recommendation is different ...

A
 
I'm a Nikon shooter, so can't really comment on other brands as I have no experience of them. My advice would be to stick to the landscapes and portraits to start with and buy decent kit, it will stop you getting frustrated as you start off.

So, I would suggest a Nikon D7000 (£638 new from Panamoz or £550ish used) and an used Nikon 17-55 f2.8, (£550ish) this is an awesome lens, heavy but awesome! Coupled with a flashgun - Nikon SB700/SB900 or similar, you'd be pretty much sorted.

A longer lens for your aviation shots could follow on later as you gain in confidence.

Regards
Aled
 
You seem to be in a great haste to buy a camera. That is understandable but it is a good way shedding yourself of money and not necessarily getting what you want.

SteveF's (post 32 above) comments are spot on, as is Just Dave's comment about reading reviews (lots and lots of them) and Adyred's comment about IS.

Canon and Nikon are the dominant pair and probably have the greatest range of lenses and a huge dealership, but do look at other manufacturers eg Sony Pentax; all make good cameras.

When you do buy something I suggest you get just the camera and the kit lens. Learn everything you can about the camera and this lens, other lenses can be bought later.

Dave
 
Thanks for all the input you have put into this, im off out now for awhile to have some fun looking and trying out all these dslr's :)
I shall report back later

KerryG
 
KerryG said:
Hi dave
Yes i did get your pm, i had fun looking through your pictures, they are amazing, how do you manage to get them published on magazines? hope i can become this good ;)

KerryG
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Cool and thanks, Sure youll find a camera that suits you, have fun looking :thumbs:
 
Tringa said:
You seem to be in a great haste to buy a camera. That is understandable but it is a good way shedding yourself of money and not necessarily getting what you want.

SteveF's (post 32 above) comments are spot on, as is Just Dave's comment about reading reviews (lots and lots of them) and Adyred's comment about IS.

Canon and Nikon are the dominant pair and probably have the greatest range of lenses and a huge dealership, but do look at other manufacturers eg Sony Pentax; all make good cameras.

When you do buy something I suggest you get just the camera and the kit lens. Learn everything you can about the camera and this lens, other lenses can be bought later.

Dave
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Wondered how long it would take before someone mentioned a Pentax K5 or even K30 (pre-owned).
And no-one has even touched upon spending a good £300 or so on a tripod/head/bag.

For me, I'd buy a serious good carbon tripod, hefty head/gimble, and decent bag first, then see what was left to spend on body and lenses for desired photographic uses.
In other words, I'd probably look more at the K30 from Pentax, then see what lenses can be acquired for the remaining £800 or so.
If the long zoom can't be got at the right price, then I'd start with the others and learn the camera, while keeping an eye out and building up the finances to eventually get the lens a couple of months or more later.

Hope that gives you food for thought Kelly - there's no need to race when you can take it steady and buy once, buy right.
 
Hiya Everyone

Well Well Well, Ive Held more camera's today than i ever have in my entire life :)
It's been a very tiring and exausting day and feel like my brains been fried lol, but ive really enjoyed myself, and i can actually say ive decided on a canon dslr, its between the 60d & 7d, these just felt really comfortable to me and the weight was just right, and i preferred the layout of the buttons/menu's on the canons than anything else, im considering buying used to try and save a little cash and get more kit for my money. I also got chatting to a couple of guys who said the canon 7d was a very good camera, as long as you dont use a to high iso setting as this introduces alot of noise (straight over my head) i also asked them about different lens for different uses and they recommended a used sigma 50-500 (bigma think they called it) for aviation/wildlife etc, they said its a very good lens for the money and can be got for about £400 secondhand, they also mentioned a 17-55 2.8 IS for a walkabout lens and a 50mm 1.8 for portraits. They said if brought secondhand i should be able to get all this within my budget or just over?
So any opinions on this?

KerryG
 
Kerry great choice I have a 7D and its a great camera, I think the high ISO doesnt introduce massive amounts of noise, you can get a 7D from digitalrev £ 695.00 http://SPAM/7wf2ml7 free delivery its a Hong Kong based company and also Julia is a member of TP
 
Just Dave said:
Kerry great choice I have a 7D and its a great camera, I think the high ISO doesnt introduce massive amounts of noise, you can get a 7D from digitalrev £ 695.00 http://SPAM/7wf2ml7 free delivery its a Hong Kong based company and also Julia is a member of TP
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Just out of curiosity how does that affect your warranty
 
KerryG said:
Hiya Everyone

Well Well Well, Ive Held more camera's today than i ever have in my entire life :)
It's been a very tiring and exausting day and feel like my brains been fried lol, but ive really enjoyed myself, and i can actually say ive decided on a canon dslr, its between the 60d & 7d, these just felt really comfortable to me and the weight was just right, and i preferred the layout of the buttons/menu's on the canons than anything else, im considering buying used to try and save a little cash and get more kit for my money. I also got chatting to a couple of guys who said the canon 7d was a very good camera, as long as you dont use a to high iso setting as this introduces alot of noise (straight over my head) i also asked them about different lens for different uses and they recommended a used sigma 50-500 (bigma think they called it) for aviation/wildlife etc, they said its a very good lens for the money and can be got for about £400 secondhand, they also mentioned a 17-55 2.8 IS for a walkabout lens and a 50mm 1.8 for portraits. They said if brought secondhand i should be able to get all this within my budget or just over?
So any opinions on this?

KerryG
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Good choice :D

Both bodies are good, have a look on Canon's web site about the 7D and 60D to compare what they do - the 60D has a tilt rear screen for example, the 7D has a higher frames per second (FPS).

The 17-55IS is a great lens and has a good following, but you need to decide what focal length you want as it carries a price tag, there are lots of other options available, the Canon 17-85IS, the replacement 15-85IS, then you have the Tamron 17-50 which has a good following and much cheaper than the Canon 17-55...

You need to decide what it is you want and go from there - it's very easy to get caught up in "you need this, I'd recommend this..." and before you know it, you've spent lots of money ...
 
andyred said:
Good choice :D

Both bodies are good, have a look on Canon's web site about the 7D and 60D to compare what they do - the 60D has a tilt rear screen for example, the 7D has a higher frames per second (FPS).

The 17-55IS is a great lens and has a good following, but you need to decide what focal length you want as it carries a price tag, there are lots of other options available, the Canon 17-85IS, the replacement 15-85IS, then you have the Tamron 17-50 which has a good following and much cheaper than the Canon 17-55...

You need to decide what it is you want and go from there - it's very easy to get caught up in "you need this, I'd recommend this..." and before you know it, you've spent lots of money ...
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Thanks andyred
I think i would prefer the the faster FPS of the 7d than the tilt screen, regarding the 17-55 2.8 IS im not sure yet as i havent really read up on them yet.

KerryG
 
The 60d and the 7d both basically share the same sensor, so the end result of either camera will be just about identical. Once you get into the small details, you'll find lots of small differences, but the main ones are that the 7d is a tougher body and has a more customisable (read confusing!) AF system, which can take a lot of understanding, but once you get there its superb.

For landscapes and portaits, I'd be tempted to go for the 60d, but if you seriously intend on shooting fast moving things, then its the 7d for you!

Noise is what looks like tiny specks of colours that look like they don't belong where they are, similar to looking at a grainy old photo. The darker the light you are working in, the higher your 'ISO' needs to be, and the more prominant the noise will be. Thats a very simple description. To be frank, the canon is not the absolute best in its class regarding noise, but its a close run thing, and it would not put me off buying either of your choices. It really is something that gets hyped up beyond what it really is.

Regarding the canon 17-55mm f2.8 lens - its brilliant, but the tamron 17-50mm f2.8 offers around 95% of the quality of the canon (i.e. negligable) for half the price. It comes down to budget, money no object, the canon wins, if getting the canon means missing out on something else, the Tamron should be very high on your list.
 
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