HELP!!! … just got the D850 but…

[gramps]

But this is classic survivorship bias.

By contrast I am on my 3rd iPhone and iPad, only one of which was physically affected the rest were limited by design.

 

[Eloise]

Mind you MAC are always expensive for what you get, PC would have saved a chunk of cash.

Why whenever someone mentions buying a Mac does the conversation have to head like this. What did you expect to gain from making this comment? The thread wasn't "what should I buy Mac or PC ... thats the only place for such a discussion (IMO) and the only place such a comment is welcome (IME).

Classic troll!

PS. the converse can be true too ... if someone mentions buying a PC snide comments are made relating to Macs for professional "artistic" purposes.

 

[Stuart Philpott]

I don't think this is trolling at all eloise never seen Roger make a snide post either,tis just two mates talking,sure we banter a bit and have a crack but there is no malice here I'd stake my life on it.

Daniel all the luck with the new toy, being nikon and mac ,as you might have guessed,the whole thing is pretty much over my head but I wanted to stop by and bung some wishes of luck. this is an expensive game isn't it.

seeya

stu

 

[Eloise]

I don't think this is trolling at all eloise never seen Roger make a snide post either,tis just two mates talking,sure we banter a bit and have a crack but there is no malice here I'd stake my life on it.

It may be banter (if the two of them are friends thats one thing thats not obvious) ... but yes it is (by the definition) trolling.

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.​

Now perhaps in the context of the two people and the conversation it was fine, but it was trolling and other people reading it (even with the smile) could well take it for the typical Mac vs PC "debate".

But then this is off topic too...

 

[Stuart Philpott]

Eloise,the first part of your def a person sowing discord......I just can't see that is the case here, maybe the comment is off topic and sure i'll hold my hand up there,but the definiton of a troll for me does not fit the post above sure slightly off topic agreed . I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here kiddo. I guess one sees so much angst on the web it's easy to get the wrong end of the stick you are obviouslt getting a totally different vibe to me from roger's post,I might be totally wrong here to even post that's for Daniel to decide and roger too I suppose I guess I'm defending him ,but have no need he'll speak for himself

Eloise I have no wish to ague i'll always back down anyway,it's just I've watched roger post thousands of times and i'd never think of him trolling. I just cannot believe there was any intent to upset anyone,with the post and therefore how can it be trolling. Surely the use of a smile is to convey "my post isn't to harm " for me roger has gone out of his way to state his opinion in a nice way,

Sweetie, I'll bow out there if you don't mind . The comment might be offtopic but not trolling and as you so rightly said we are now in danger of derailing Daniel's thread and I wouldn't do this without his blessing

. I just couldn't sit here and see Roger called a troll because simply I with all my heart don't believe that is the case . If I'm wrong you have my most humble apology !!

have a great chrimbo mate

stu

 

[gramps]

Why whenever someone mentions buying a Mac does the conversation have to head like this. What did you expect to gain from making this comment? The thread wasn't "what should I buy Mac or PC ... thats the only place for such a discussion (IMO) and the only place such a comment is welcome (IME).

Classic troll!

That's my view and like everyone else here I have a right to state my view, your view isn't more important than mine or anyone else's.

 

[ancient_mariner]

@Eloise - this was banter as far as I could see - don't forget Daniel's reply.

Someone is whispering over my shoulder: "what is a bug on Mac OS
is a feature on Windows!!!

Although I can tell he hasn't started using High Sierra yet.

A lot of the Mac vs PC thing is a relic from the days when they really were different. Now they're essentially the same hardware with a different OS on top and one in a fancy ali case. Neither are faultless when it comes to reliability, but some find a natural affinity with one way of working or the other, while most can happily use either or something different. A key difference between Apple owners and the ROW is that they tend to be much more tolerant and patient about the flaws and problems caused by Apple's failings, often not grumbling about faults and issues, hence there's hardly a murmur when they introduce a duff version of OSX or one of their products has a known and ongoing hardware fault but is never recalled.

 

[Eloise]

@Eloise - this was banter as far as I could see - don't forget Daniel's reply.

I accept that I might have misread the situation

A lot of the Mac vs PC thing is a relic from the days when they really were different.

I agree with most of what you wrote following that... however I stand by my comment that the only reason, when someone announces they have just bought a new Mac, someone else comments about price or generally comments about PC / Windows is essentially they are trolling. They may be trolling with the intention of banter, but it is intended to get the “Mac fan’s” back up!

(All IMO of course)

Anyway I don’t intend to discuss my above comment further.

 

[Kodiak Qc]

You thought you were at the cutting edge of technology but now find you are at the bleeding edge ;-)

I am, still… but the huge files and card format
force me to move some grads higher because
of compatibility issues. Had I decided to keep
the D810, this would not have happened.

 

[Kodiak Qc]

I wonder if shutter sound varies with the lens on the camera?

I checked on that… no difference!

 

[Kodiak Qc]

I don't think this is trolling at all eloise never seen Roger make a snide post either,tis just two mates talking,sure we banter a bit and have a crack but there is no malice here I'd stake my life on it.

No worry Éloise, Roger and I have different experiences and I like that
he shares his as I share mine with him. There has never been, and I su-
re don't expect anything, sour from Roger… nor should you!

Daniel all the luck with the new toy, being nikon and mac ,as you might have guessed,the whole thing is pretty much over my head but I wanted to stop by and bung some wishes of luck. this is an expensive game isn't it.

I never spend money lightly but when one must for tools, since it is for
my operations, it is tax deductible and subject to amortization and the
money is there, no hesitation… but good research and consideration
before letting the cash flow over the counter. Thanks Stu!

 

[GTG]

So basically there is no getting around it

 

[Kodiak Qc]

So basically there is no getting around it

Yes, there would be!
During the meeting with Robert —see post 30— he proposed
to had slot cards in the MacPro and other solutions that would
total to 800€… and that to an faithful, but nevertheless, 10 year
old machine! Not a good business strategy.

The acquisition of a new machine will simplify everything and
the older machine can still perform the usual tasks asked from
it: everything that has nothing to do with the D850!

 

[GTG]

Yes, there would be!
During the meeting with Robert —see post 30— he proposed
to had slot cards in the MacPro and other solutions that would
total to 800€… and that to an faithful, but nevertheless, 10 year
old machine! Not a good business strategy.

The acquisition of a new machine will simplify everything and
the older machine can still perform the usual tasks asked from
it: everything that has nothing to do with the D850!

I just meant the sound problem, there is no getting around the shutter noise it would seem.

I would have thought weathersealed lenses might help but you said that different lenses makes no difference either.

 

[Kodiak Qc]

•


Sorry I miss-understood you!

I would have thought

No, as with the D800/E, one has to live with it but after the
so very quiet D810… IT'S GONNA BE HARD!

Weather sealed lenses and body will not make any difference
if the mechanical shock wave is not dampened at the source.

 

[Stuart Philpott]

I never spend money lightly but when one must for tools, since it is for
my operations, it is tax deductible and subject to amortization and the
money is there, no hesitation… but good research and consideration
before letting the cash flow over the counter. Thanks Stu! [/QUOTE]


Very much the same here with regards to tax Daniel and definitely spending, Yee gads just spent a huge sum on a new lens and canon can't supply some mix up might have to wait till chrimbo now and I have snow and little friends all ways

Daniel what does amortization mean please?????

cheers

stu

 

[sphexx]

]

Daniel what does amortization mean please?????

cheers

stu

Depreciation.

 

[Kodiak Qc]

Depreciation.

Not really, Richard, it's something else completely.

… what does amortization mean please?????

In business, amortization refers to spreading payments over multiple
periods. The term is used for two separate processes: amortization of
loans and amortization of assets. In the latter case it refers to allocating
the cost of an in/tangible asset over a period of time.

In other words…
Say you buy a 3000 quid camera. You may amortize it over
a given period of time for tax purposes… say three years. The
next three years will count for 1000 each to reduce the taxable.

The equipment will be written off your books at the end and no
longer considered as investment but as asset in the tool column.

During that time, the tool may depreciate more or less… but this
will not affect the books.

 

[jerry12953]

Not really, Richard, it's something else completely.

In business, amortization refers to spreading payments over multiple
periods. The term is used for two separate processes: amortization of
loans and amortization of assets. In the latter case it refers to allocating
the cost of an in/tangible asset over a period of time.

In other words…
Say you buy a 3000 quid camera. You may amortize it over
a given period of time for tax purposes… say three years. The
next three years will count for 1000 each to reduce the taxable.

The equipment will be written off your books at the end and no
longer considered as investment but as asset in the tool column.

During that time, the tool may depreciate more or less… but this
will not affect the books.

I think it works slightly differently here. For capital items such as a camera body, you claim capital allowances. At present these work out at 25% of the purchase price per annum. I'm not sure how long it takes to write off the cost completely - maybe never?

There have been periods for ceratin types of equipment (eg IT) where you could claim 100% in the first year. That scheme was designed to encourage businesses to invest in new equipment.

 

[Kodiak Qc]

I think it works slightly differently here.

Yes, possibly! Fiscal laws differs sensibly between countries.

 

[sphexx]

Yes, possibly! Fiscal laws differs sensibly between countries.

Not really, Richard, it's something else completely.

In business, amortization refers to spreading payments over multiple
periods. The term is used for two separate processes: amortization of
loans and amortization of assets. In the latter case it refers to allocating
the cost of an in/tangible asset over a period of time.

In other words…
Say you buy a 3000 quid camera. You may amortize it over
a given period of time for tax purposes… say three years. The
next three years will count for 1000 each to reduce the taxable.

The equipment will be written off your books at the end and no
longer considered as investment but as asset in the tool column.

During that time, the tool may depreciate more or less… but this
will not affect the books.

Yes, but in U.K. depreciation refers to fixed assets (as the camera, computers) and amortization is fiscal (I think is the correct term) as your loans etc. BUT I am a zoologist not an accountant so I’m probably wrong ;-)

 

[Kodiak Qc]

Yes, but in U.K. …

Yes, of course, not only fiscal stuff is different but language too!

I am just a photographer trying to emulate his accountant's discourse!