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Hello,

I did a search for great photography forums and this was top of Google. Love photography but know very little. I have a finepix s2000HD at the moment which is suitable for me to learn on and then i'll want a D90 (well, that's what i have been looking at).

What is the best way of learning the ins and outs please? Books, courses etc? I have ordered a book to be going on with but things like exposure etc really throw me. There is a course at my local college but i'm being told that books are better. What books are recommended?

I've been looking at some of your pictures and WOW. They are amazing. I can only dream of being that good at the moment.

Thank you for getting this far and i hope to stick around for a while :D
 
I have almost finished it - on the last chapter now. I also have the Digital Photography Book by Scott Kelby.
Both excellent for beginnery types like me.
 
Before committing to a D90 consider the future as you will probably be tying into the Nikon brand, the same as buying a Canon or Olympus would, so don't only think about that camera, but where you would be likely to want to go in the future, also with lens choices.
 
Ah i see, thank you jontucker. I've just read the other thread on books and i saw it was being recommended by a few!

Thank you for your advice everyone. I suppose when i know more about these things then i will see what camera suits my needs more!
 
To expand on what artyman said, I also would go into a camera store and get your hands on a model you think you want - if it's uncomfortable or doesn't feel right then it's better you know in advance (and can try out something else that may suit your grip better) than it being a constant niggle with the camera once you've bought it!
 
Thank you for your help. I will pop in to a local one and see what they say once i know a bit more about what i am doing. :lol:
 
What is the best way of learning the ins and outs please?

You've already made the step by joining here :thumbs: Seriously, there is a wealth of information here and any questions you have just ask away. We're a firendly bunch and always happy to offer help and advice :)
 
I can only give my own experiences in this one and hope they help in some way...

I spent a bit of time reading photography magazines and various forums online to get ideas on what aperature / exposure / iso etc all meant and how it could be used in different situations.

I also spent spent time thinking about if photography was what I wanted to take up as a hobby because, I guarantee, if you do take it up it WILL take over your life...(Oh just one more picture, that expensive lens looks nice, I really need that new flashgun, 6am - time to get that sunrise)

As Syx said, go in to a store and pick up a Sony / Canon / Nikon etc and see which one fits you better. Look at the size / weight / button position etc. Think of actual use, and actual situations, you have been waiting all day for one glimpse of that deer in the forest and it suddenly appears, you have 2 seconds to aim, change settings and shoot, can you reach all the buttons and dials easily and not have to go through many menus to do so and miss the shot?

I really wanted a D90 after reading lots of reviews etc but found that the Nikon was too cumbersome for my hands and that the Canon fitted perfectly. When you buy a DSLR you are really choosing that brand for the forseeable future so choose wisely.

After you have the camera, the only way to truly learn is to do. Go out there, set the camera to auto and take a few pictures, see what settings it uses, ask yourself, (or this forum), why and replicate it on a more manual setting and play. It's half the fun!
 
Instead of recommending a book I thought it might help to let you know how I have progressed so far - but keep in mind I am still a newbie and learning things all of the time!

Started out with an Olympus compact and realised I'd like to have more control.... cue the year of the bridge camera.

My bridge camera is a Panasonic lumix FZ8 - an old model but very versatile. A lot of people will tell you not to bother with a bridge camera but I found it a very useful learning tool. It was a good introduction to having manual controls and the long zoom meant I could experiment without having to buy lots of lenses etc. Started my 2009 52 project with the panny and learnt a little bit about macro by getting some Raynox close up lenses.

Having well and truly caught the photography bug I moved up to a Nikon D60 in August last year and am now saving furiously to buy the lenses etc for the type of photography I enjoy.

So basically I have learnt as I've gone along. Read a few books, had a magazine subscription, did the 52 project, went out and about with my camera whenever I get the opportunity, and become somewhat addicted to Talk Photography.
 
hi,

I'm a relative newbie too. After some recommendations for Understanding Exposure, i managed to get hold of a badly scanned copy of the book. I read a few pages and decided to go an buy the actual book itself. I even paid full RRP £18.99 from a bookshop and then found it available online for £13 delivered!!! doh.
 
To expand on what artyman said, I also would go into a camera store and get your hands on a model you think you want - if it's uncomfortable or doesn't feel right then it's better you know in advance (and can try out something else that may suit your grip better) than it being a constant niggle with the camera once you've bought it!

+1 to this, I was kind of set on a Canon 450D (I'm new too) but once I held one in a shop the shutter button just did not feel natural to me.

Paul.
 
Hi

I'm relatively new as well, but believe the light bulb has come on for me - stick with it because it all falls into place after a while. I found that reading what the more experienced members on forums like this one are doing (and then turning on the camera and trying to do one thing at a time, take lots of pictures) is the best way to learn.

Anyway I thought to myself, maybe I'm just about confident enough now to offer a bit of advice on exposure (gulp) so here goes.

By the way this is a newcomer talking to even more of a newcomer, so bear that in mind, all I'm going to try an explain is where I've been (which is where I think you are) and what I've learned - I'm sure if I get anything really wrong, someone will correct it.

Think "light control" to me that's what I believe the basics are about. how much light falls on the film. Now, obviously digital cameras don't have film anymore, they have a sensor - so replace "film-strip" with "sensor" in your head.

There are four things that control how much light falls on the sensor and those four things will affect the "image" that's recorded onto the camera.
One of them is external, how bright is the environment you are shooting in. This of course can be controlled by shooting during the day, at night or using flash and/or lights. The other three are options within your cameras controls
If you took your sensor out of the camera (and think of it like a sponge) and left it on the table then, assuming "normal" lighting the sensor would continue soaking up the light until the "image" it recorded was pure white. If the room was pitch black, there would be no light for it to soak up and therefore the image would be pure black.

So obviously you need to control how much light the sensor (sponge) is soaking up when you want to take the picture. And if you follow the logic of the previous statement, then the darker the environment is the longer you would need to expose the sensor and the brighter the environment the shorter you need to expose it to the environment.

I won’t touch on "altering" the external lighting by flash and other light sources for now, but concentrate on the three camera settings as I think that's what you will be struggling with.

So, assuming normal daylight conditions in your front room. The three things you can control in how much light the sensor soaks up are

1) The aperture - how big is the hole when the shutter opens. Bigger hole, more light

2) The shutter speed - how long is the hole left open for. 1/250 of a second won’t let in as much light as 2 seconds

3) ISO - how good is your sensor (sponge) at soaking up light. You can make your sponge better at absorbing by increasing the ISO setting. So ISO100 means you've got one of those smooth looking sponges and no matter how much light you throw at it, it doesn't really like absorbing it, but the light it does absorb results in a "clean" image on its smooth surface. A sensor (sponge) with an ISO of 1600 is a much more absorbent one (one of those sponges with bigger holes) and just love's light, it "sucks" it in through the smallest of openings, but the image rests on a rougher surface so is less sharp. Now obviously you don't replace one sensor for another one, but altering the ISO from a low number to a higher one, means that if the size of the hole (aperture) and the amount of time it's open (shutter speed) stays the same, the higher ISO setting will absorb more light. The downside is that because it's sucking the light in at a faster rate it gets a bit sloppy and doesn't have the time to record the image properly, it's a "bit rough round the edges" or "noisy" and the image gets "grainier" the higher the ISO used.

My suggestion would be not to get too hung up about the f stop numbers, shutter speeds and ISO numbers. Try and think of all three in terms of "stops". If you move any of them one stop up, the resulting image will be brighter and vice-versa.

My suggestion would be to put your camera onto manual straight away, go to a normally light room and start taking pictures playing around with the above three settings. If you switch your camera on and put it to manual, aim at an object and press the shutter what's the worse that's going to happen!

If the viewfinder shows that what you've taken is too dark you've got three options. Slow down your shutter speed, open up your aperture or crank up your ISO.

Now this is where you find out where the tricky bit takes over, because altering all three of these has different "side effects".

If you slow down the shutter speed, you'll find that beyond a certain point you can't hold the camera still enough without causing it to shake while the image is being recorded, so you'll end up with a blurred picture.

If you can't slow down the shutter speed anymore, you can open up your aperture. However the wider that becomes the shallower the depth of field becomes. This is where the vase of flowers you're shooting is in focus but less of the foreground and also the background beyond the vase is in focus. If you’re shooting a landscape, that might be a problem as you want as much of the view to be in focus as possible. However, if it's a portrait and you want to get rid of a distracting background by blurring it then opening up the aperture will do that.

If you can't slow the shutter speed down anymore and you want to keep everything in focus so you can’t open up the aperture anymore without blurring too much of the image, then you can start to increase the ISO until the image is correctly exposed. Bearing in mind the higher that goes the grainer the image. Again that can be a negative if you want it pin-sharp. But it could be a "look" you are going for if you want to evoke some sort of feeling - street photography at times looks good if it's grainy.

However, if you make yourself a mug of tea and put it into manual and shoot the same image over and over again until your finger goes sore, while all the time changing all of these three settings in all sorts of various combinations, you'll soon get a "feel" for what you need to change to get the exposure you want and also the "price you have to pay" sometimes to get an image.

Hopefully this has been of use, just thought I'd try and pay back some of the good advice I've absorbed on this forum and try and help someone out.

Once it clicks, you'll find that you start to feel like a photographer and a bit like driving, where you are spending less time working out what your hands and feet are doing and concentrating more on what is going on around you.

Once you've gone beyond my "Janet and John" explanantion then this is a very usefull little resource in explaining things properley to you

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials.htm
 
Thats a nice intro to light MnM ! well done :)

For me it was all about "playing, playing and when everyone else was asleep, more playing"
interspersed witha liberal reading of threads on here.

I had a quick look at another digital photography book, but was put off by all the "what are memory cards, how do we print, what do tripods do, kind of chapters (as i've personally gone past all of that) so now i feel i just need to experiment.

I did however (not wishing to come home empty handed) buy a copy of "The Photo Book" from waterstones yesterday which basically contains 500 images of events / people / landscapes, the whole nine yards, wonderfully presented and with all the supporting info for each image as well.
i have read through all 500 images now, thats how good it is!! (£6.50 i think)

some things works for some, other things for others....

good luck though :)
 
welcome

2 good books from Amazon ..........

"Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson...............:naughty:

"Creative Nature and Outdoor Photography" (Paperback)
by Brenda Tharp

take 100s pictures - I was amazed at how changing the White Balance, for instance, made such a difference to the image. Took about 20 identical shots indoors, wrote down the parameters I'd used, then compared all on a PC - a good learning exercise
 
Hi

3) ISO - how good is your sensor (sponge) at soaking up light. You can make your sponge better at absorbing by increasing the ISO setting. So ISO100 means you've got a really crappy sponge and no matter how much light you throw at it, it doesn't like absorbing it. A sensor (sponge) with an ISO of 1600 is a much more absorbent one and just love's light, it "sucks" it in through the smallest of openings.

A long and helpful post from a different point of view :)

Only thing I'd challenge you on is the notion of 'crappy' for low iso. Maybe subtle or some other word would be better. Low iso gives you the best picture quality and high iso introduces noise so I think the turning up the volume on an amplifier analogy is a good one - sounds sweet at low volume but distorts at full volume etc.
 
I did ...... buy a copy of "The Photo Book" from waterstones yesterday which basically contains 500 images of events / people / landscapes, the whole nine yards, wonderfully presented and with all the supporting info for each image as well.... (£6.50 i think)

where from please ?
Amazon is £10.48 and my local Waterstones is £13.49.........:thumbsdown:

cheers...
 
A long and helpful post from a different point of view :) Thanks :thumbs:

Only thing I'd challenge you on is the notion of 'crappy' for low iso. Maybe subtle or some other word would be better. Low iso gives you the best picture quality and high iso introduces noise so I think the turning up the volume on an amplifier analogy is a good one - sounds sweet at low volume but distorts at full volume etc.

Know what you mean, have changed it slightly, think it reads better now :D
 
Sorry i am late back to this. Thank you everyone for your fantastic advice. It has really helped me get my head round a few things i was finding confusing. Looking forward to sharing a few pictures soon.
 
MnM, i've just read through your post again now i have a bit more time and it is far from Janet and John. I actually understand it now which i didn't before. Sometimes it takes someone who knows what it is like to just start up to explain things in a simple way. I was reading it saying 'Arghhh that's what that thing does' :lol:. Thank you again. Perhaps you should write a book in simple terms? ;)
 
welcome meme....

I had a fuji S5000 for a number of years, great little camera that produced some stunning images on full auto....

I've moved on to a Canon 450D now and am now saving for something a little bit better (saving, always saving!)....

I have found that browsing this forum (and separating the wheat from the chaff) is helpful - as is doing my own research into subject matter using the www. (I spent 2 months comparing different cameras before settling on the 450D)

I hope your photography takes you where you want to go......

enjoy.
 
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