Heavy Police Tactics?

YES, WOW! OMFG!

He did drive away after first being stopped before they could issue him a ticket and it was another 8 miles or so before he stopped the second time. And only then because he saw a stop stick deployed.

All this karp about his illnesses and this being the reason he wanted to get away from the stressful situation. If he has half the stress and medical problems he's making out then he shouldn't be driving in any case.

What were the Police supposed to do? Stop the pursuit and let him drive home?

I'd have tasered him, too.
 
To be honest most people driving Range Rovers with personalised plates and tinted windows deserve a good smack, the way they usually drive :P

He was stopped by police and drove off, hitting a policeman in the process, and was pursued by a police car with his blue lights on, and didn't stop until they deployed a stinger. He knew exactly what he was doing, just playing the 'frail old man' card.
 
The guy drove off and stayed to the speed limit, he did not tear off as if to escape.

This sort of bully tactics is becoming more prevelant in our Police Service ( they don't like being called a force )

If he had floored it and done everything to get away then fair enough hit him with everything you have but not some old geezer driving away like a day out to the park.

To say Taze him, how rediculous. Tazers should never have been allowed in the first place.

Defending two Plods that have no sense of when to stop is stupid. They should have stayed behind him and only IF he floored it then gone into action.

Seems another case of defending our slowly degenerating police farce for no reason.

Police will be carrying guns next, this old fella would now be dead for not wearing a seatbelt.
 
The video shows that they started to attack the moment they reached his car, without even giving him a moment to open his door...

Unless they thought they knew something that we don't, i.e. unless they believed that he was armed, it's difficult to see the justification for their actions, or to see how anyone can defend them.
 
2blue4u said:
What were the Police supposed to do? Stop the pursuit and let him drive home?
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Once he stopped they could have asked him to "step out of the car" ;)

The police were way over the top but I suspect there is a bit more to this story than a poor frail pensioner who didn't understand they wanted him to stop.... again!
 
IMO the police were within their right.

He'd been stopped and drove off (allegedly) knocking over a police man in the process.
They followed him with blue lights and sirens and he made no attempt to stop.

He eventually stopped when he knew the game was up, ie Stinger would bring him to a halt.

At that point police did not know why he drove off, did not know what he had in the car, nor what he was hiding.

What would you rather, the police ask him to get out of the car and then get shot before he speeds off killing anyone in sight? (he could easily have been armed) or bring the matter to a halt immediately without the potential to harm others.

Even once they are in, he resists getting out of the vehicle (time taken).


I agree with one of the comments above, I feel there is a lot more to this than is apparent now, and I suspect the "Frail Old Man" card is being played here.
 
yeah they were over the top but he had driven away previously while being given a tt and then not stopped for 17 minutes, all the rubbish about his health and feeling frail load of cobblers, if he is that frail he should have his license taken off him, he obviously is not 'healthy' enough to drive if he gets that confused!

The police get blamed for everyhting, they are just doing their jobs, on the whole very well , its just a shame they dont get the back up they need with this countries stupid laws.

Im glad the mail did actually say everything he was charged with in court. Im sorry but a 70 year old in a 60k range rover, blacked out windows and that number plate had to be up to no good!! :p
 
All i am saying is i would have had countless money out of the copper that smashed my windows, and the one standing on my bonnet. record for criminal damage. Police tap - Tapped back to base - Some very sheepish coppers.
 
AndrewA123 said:
IMO the police were within their right.

He'd been stopped and drove off (allegedly) knocking over a police man in the process.
They followed him with blue lights and sirens and he made no attempt to stop.

He eventually stopped when he knew the game was up, ie Stinger would bring him to a halt.

At that point police did not know why he drove off, did not know what he had in the car, nor what he was hiding.

What would you rather, the police ask him to get out of the car and then get shot before he speeds off killing anyone in sight? (he could easily have been armed) or bring the matter to a halt immediately without the potential to harm others.

Even once they are in, he resists getting out of the vehicle (time taken).


I agree with one of the comments above, I feel there is a lot more to this than is apparent now, and I suspect the "Frail Old Man" card is being played here.
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(Big Sarcastic) YEAHHHHHHHHH, ever heard of using the door handle to open the door? what was wrong with it in this case? Ah the Range Rover was to high for the copper to reach? RIGHTTTT, did you read the bit about the mini step ladder the copper that climbed on to his bonnet? apparently he hid it up his trousers leg....
 
Techno-Geek said:
(Big Sarcastic) YEAHHHHHHHHH, ever heard of using the door handle to open the door? what was wrong with it in this case? Ah the Range Rover was to high for the copper to reach? RIGHTTTT, did you read the bit about the mini step ladder the copper that climbed on to his bonnet? apparently he hid it up his trousers leg....
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I see you're back to troll again.!
 
2blue4u said:
YES, WOW! OMFG!

He did drive away after first being stopped before they could issue him a ticket and it was another 8 miles or so before he stopped the second time. And only then because he saw a stop stick deployed.

All this karp about his illnesses and this being the reason he wanted to get away from the stressful situation. If he has half the stress and medical problems he's making out then he shouldn't be driving in any case.

What were the Police supposed to do? Stop the pursuit and let him drive home?

I'd have tasered him, too.
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agree 200%

so this guy knocked over a policeman and then drove off failing to stop for blue lights and sirens..

as above if he was that confused he shouldnt be driving, especially in a 60k rangerover. i mean think of the damage that could be done in that..

smashing the windscreen seems to be standard practice when dealing with ending a car chase these days (i guess to hamper view out of the window?).

im going to side with the police on this one. it seems to me that the guy is using his disability to a) get away with his errors in this situation and/or b) get compensation.

typical daily mail storey to be honest.
 
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Smashing the windows is pretty standard practice for someone who doesn't want to stop.

The guy was a tool. The police may or may not have been a bit ott, but ho hum, i won't lose sleep over it.
 
neil_g said:
agree 200%

so this guy knocked over a policeman and then drove off failing to stop for blue lights and sirens..

as above if he was that confused he shouldn't be driving, especially in a 60k rangerover. i mean think of the damage that could be done in that..

smashing the windscreen seems to be standard practice when dealing with ending a car chase these days (i guess to hamper view out of the window?).

im going to side with the police on this one. it seems to me that the guy is using his disability to a) get away with his errors in this situation and/or b) get compensation.

typical daily mail storey to be honest.
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I agree as well! 17 minutes refusing to stop (regardless of the speed) and (allegedly) running someone over as well?!

The police do a good job (on the whole) against difficult circumstances, and stories like this (with the typical Daily Fail twists) don't help.

Coppers are never in the papers when they've done good, only when they've done "wrong" :bonk:
 
It's an interesting one.

Police officers have been shot at for just stopping a car in the street, and a rangerover with tinted windows isn't exactly a frail old pensioners usual vehicle of choice.

Apparently he thought the blue lights and sirens were because the nice policemen were escorting him home, yeah right.

Presumably smashing the windscreen is to prevent him driving off as the stinger hadn't yet disabled the vehicle (and a rangerover can probably drive with no tyres)

It does come across as heavy handed, but I think it also comes across as a not so frail pensioner with something to hide. If he has just recovered from a stroke, did he inform the DVLA of his condition?
 
He might have had 2 clips put in him in the States. What kind of a moron drives for 17 minutes without stopping, even if you didn't think it was for you you'd still stop to let them past (and inside 17 seconds too!).

Looked a little over the top and it seemed a little aggressive to the other driver that stopped. But lets not forget there's a copper in the North East who's blind for no reason of his own.
 
Clearly this bloke thought he above the law (as many 4x4 drivers do). Illegal numberplate, illegally tinted windows, making off from a stop, running over a copper, failure to stop, then locking his doors when he couldn't get any further because he'd been spiked.

It's go to be the weakest defence ever put forward, surely?

"he then drove off because he thought the matter had been dealt with"
"he thought the blue lights and siren of the police car meant the officers were giving him an escort home"

Why has he still got his licence? Take it off him and make him retake his test.
 
AndrewA123 said:
IMO the police were within their right.
What would you rather, the police ask him to get out of the car and then get shot before he speeds off killing anyone in sight?
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And why (if he has a gun) would it be any harder for him to just shoot them through the screen as they're trying to break in? :shrug:

Car windows are often not easy to smash through quickly nowadays...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWh4iCWERMU
 
the point I'm making is that the quicker you act, the less chance there is for him to get to any weapon and use it. Agree'd there could still be time, but at least if he has damaged window etc its going to be much harder.

The sooner he's out the car, the sooner the matter is dealt with. Would you not be suspicious if someone drove off and refused to stop?
 
It's standard procedure and agression and swiftness of action are all designed to put the person in the car on the back foot and take away the initiative from them.

I've seen it used a few times on vehicles that have failed to stop. The officers have to assume that the individual has either a weapon or is destroying evidence based on their failure to stop and it's prudent to be pro-active. I'd like to see him try and claim for the damage to his car as he's bound to fail and it'll cost him a fair bit.
 
OneOffDave said:
It's standard procedure and agression and swiftness of action are all designed to put the person in the car on the back foot and take away the initiative from them.

I've seen it used a few times on vehicles that have failed to stop. The officers have to assume that the individual has either a weapon or is destroying evidence based on their failure to stop and it's prudent to be pro-active. I'd like to see him try and claim for the damage to his car as he's bound to fail and it'll cost him a fair bit.
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:thumbs: wouldn't you love to see the case for that one. "He damaged my car and all I did was..................." :D
 
Of course they were right, he was told to stop and didnt. He may have been armed or had a dead body in the boot for all they knew. If the police ask you to stop you do, if you try to get away then expect to be chased in this way. Deserves everything he gets and should be banned from the road for life.
 
Yes the reaction was over the top and they should be seiously punished but the silly old fool had illegal windscreens an illegal plate and drove off knocking down a plod,add that to not wearing a belt and you do wonder if the silly old fool should be allowed behind the wheel of a car.
 
And he has Previous

http://archive.southwalesargus.co.uk/2004/7/30/58738.html
Driver in assault protest is guilty

From the South Wales Argus, first published Friday 30th Jul 2004.

A MAN who had accused a Gwent police officer of assaulting him after a query over an expired tax disc was yesterday convicted by magistrates of four charges.

Robert Clive Whatley, 64, of Four Ash Street, Usk, was found guilty of using a motor vehicle without insurance and no MoT, using insulting words and behaviour and failing to give his name and address to a constable when asked.

Whatley had pleaded not guilty to each of the offences but after appearing in the morning, he failed to attend Abergavenny magistrates court yesterday afternoon and the case was heard in his absence.

The court heard how PC Jonathan Ellis was on foot patrol in Four Ash Street on August 15 last year when he noticed a Peugeot 106 with an expired tax disc.

Michael Hammett, prosecuting, said that when it was pointed out that the tax disc had expired the defendant said that it had been stolen and he had reported it.

When asked to produce an MoT and insurance documents, Whatley refused and when asked for personal details he also refused and he used abusive language and gestures. The prosecutor said that Whatley had accused PC Ellis of assault. Mr Hammett said: "A complaint had been received, but the complaint has now been resolved."

Earlier in the day, Mr Hammett had told magistrates that PC Ellis had been cleared during an internal inquiry of allegations of assault. PC Ellis said: "Mr Whatley said `Go and do something worthwhile'." PC Ellis said that Whatley was negative and verbally abusive and made rude gestures to him.

He said that he did not feel he could have arrested Whatley, so on advice he reported him for the offences.

PC Ellis, who has been in the job for more than nine years, said: "I left the area and went back to Usk police station and the inspector informed me that a complaint had been made."

PC Ellis told the court he did not in any way assault Whatley. Patricia Morgan, an emergency medical technician with the Welsh Ambulance Service, was called to the house after receiving a 999 call.

She said that Whatley told her he had not called for an ambulance and she said he refused any treatment in the ambulance or to accompany them to Abergavenny's Nevill Hall Hospital, Abergavenny Janet McAllister, chairwoman of the magistrates, said that Whatley had been warned that if he failed to return the trial may be heard in his absence.

She said that they found him guilty of all offences. Sentence was adjourned.
 
Poor old plod just can't win can they.

How many posts are there on TP about the "thieving scum", "wasn't like this in my day", "should get a taste of their own medicine" etc etc.

When the police act like they would have done in the good old days they get a pasting.

Glad I don't have to deal with the pond life they sort on a daily basis.

Stupid old git could have been pi***d out of his head for all they knew.

Even within the speed limit I wouldn't want to be run over by a Range Rover.

Got all he deserved and then some :clap: but so what, tbh I coudn't care less.
 
Techno-Geek said:
All i am saying is i would have had countless money out of the copper that smashed my windows, and the one standing on my bonnet. record for criminal damage. Police tap - Tapped back to base - Some very sheepish coppers.
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Nope - if you'd done what this guy did, you'd lose the case.

I agree if you're being cooperative then there's no call for this sort of thing, but he wasn't being cooperative, was he?

If you acted like this old guy then I'd have no sympathy for you either...

I think they should have smashed all his windows and slashed his tyres for good measure, maybe run a bunch of keys down the side just to teach him a lesson...

Frail old man my bleeding arse...if Hitler and his cronies were alive today they'd be frail old men as well...
Old age is no defence for being a c-unit...
 
bass_junkie83 said:
Smashing the windows is pretty standard practice for someone who doesn't want to stop.
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:agree:

Usually they smash the rear window(s) to disorientate that driver and the windscreen to prevent them driving off.

No sympathy, if you're going to act like a tool and get involved in a Police chase then you deserve all you get. My only question is why the Police didn't overtake him as he was going so slow and simply put on their rear "STOP" sign :shrug:
 
Flash In The Pan said:
:agree:

Usually they smash the rear window(s) to disorientate that driver and the windscreen to prevent them driving off.

No sympathy, if you're going to act like a tool and get involved in a Police chase then you deserve all you get. My only question is why the Police didn't overtake him as he was going so slow and simply put on their rear "STOP" sign :shrug:
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Because the damage to the PV ,should the old codger have decided to ram them, quite possible considering he had nearly run someone over, would have entailed three pages of bitching in the Daily Mail, 10 threads of indignation on here and numerous hours of form filling for the officer concerned.
 
So, the guy runs from the police (slowly, but regardless of speed he was evading capture) and when he does stop the police take steps to disable him from the vehicle and capture him.

Disable his vehicle - well making it hard to see out would certainly work. I approve.
Capture - if someone wants to run the best time they can do this is as PC plod releases the catch via door handle. A swift shove from the inside and the copper has a car door in his face and is very much on the back foot - and probably quite dazed.

Smash a window and the crim will have to back off - again, I approve.

This old goat knew exactly what he was doing when he drove off, and is now using so called sympathy for his (Maybe existent) medical conditions in order to try and absolve himself of any blame. Wasting police time - very much so. Lock him up!
 
fracster said:
Because the damage to the PV ,should the old codger have decided to ram them, quite possible considering he had nearly run someone over, would have entailed three pages of bitching in the Daily Mail, 10 threads of indignation on here and numerous hours of form filling for the officer concerned.
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That did occur to me....
 
He got what he deserved, illegal plate and tinted windows (which was why it was hard to smash them with batons). He cant be that frail if he is able to climb in and out of that huge tank of a vehicle.

What do you expect if you drive off, give him the benefit of the doubt that he did think it was dealt with, but then why did he continue to drive off for several miles with the police in tow with blues and twos going ape?! He deserved it, and they had to act this way to prevent him from doing the same thing again.

As said above, they cant win, we all want gene hunt style policing, but then as soon as we see them doing whats required we say its too heavy handed. I would have done the same, he needs to be disabled asap and taken from the vehicle.

If he is that frail and all the other ailments that im sure will be invented while the tax payer pays for this farce to be investigated, then while they are doing it they should take his license from him, hes obviously not fit to drive if hes that ill.
 
mattyh said:
Insult fail tbh.
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Oh but TBH the first TBH said to the second TBH TTTBBBHHH yeah

AndrewA123 said:
:lol:
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:lol: :lol: look i can do them to, it's like : then the L then the O then the L then another :

fracster said:
:thumbs:
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Oh i can use quote button me, ga ga ga. GOYYI :bonk:

Arkady said:
Nope - if you'd done what this guy did, you'd lose the case.

I agree if you're being cooperative then there's no call for this sort of thing, but he wasn't being cooperative, was he?

If you acted like this old guy then I'd have no sympathy for you either...

I think they should have smashed all his windows and slashed his tyres for good measure, maybe run a bunch of keys down the side just to teach him a lesson...

Frail old man my bleeding arse...if Hitler and his cronies were alive today they'd be frail old men as well...
Old age is no defence for being a c-unit...
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I'm trying to find that article about a business man got pulled over by the police, didn't speak any English he then tried to drive off then the coppers smashed his windscreen and drivers side window, he sued them and won every little penny he was after, was in 2008 i think
 
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