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hamilton has been given a 25second penalty (after the race) for his incident with kimi at the final chicane. meaning massa wins the race and hamilton finishes third and massa is elevated to 1st.


fair or just more evidence that the FIA is utterly and totally biased?


either way they successfully managed to turn what was a reasonably exciting race into yet another dissappointment
 
WHAT!

Rediculous! Yes he had to use the escape route but clearly gave back the position leaving him behind Kimi. The fact that Kimi crashed out seems to have no effect then?

I see an appeal on this front coming.....
 
Just goes to show how much influence Ferrari has in the sport.

And also that it is an unhealthy influence!!!!!!!!!!
 
That has got to be one of the most biased and disgusting decisions in the history of the FIA's poor decision list.

Hamilton was forced off into the run-off area, came back ahead of Kimi and then yeilded the place back.

It just goes to show that Ferrari being nice and quiet and never saying a bad word about the FIA pays off in the end.

Hamilton drove a blinding final 5 laps and coped with the changing conditions better than Kimi - end of story.
 
outrageous TBH. He didnt have anywhere else to go other than down the escape road, or he would have hit Kimi, he then let him back passed. He was loads quicker in the wet so easily retook the place. Shame on the stewards. Mclaren even asked the race director if that was cool during the race. massive blow for sanity imho
 
I agree, proof the FIA is inconsistent, this is from the News section on their F1 website.

"Stewards at Spa are looking into an incident in the closing stages of the Belgian Grand Prix involving McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton, the eventual race winner, and Ferrari rival Kimi Raikkonen.

Battling for the lead as rain started to fall in the dying laps, Hamilton ran across the Bus Stop chicane as he attempted to pass Raikkonen. He correctly surrendered the position, but then dived past the Ferrari going into the La Source hairpin.

However, Raikkonen quickly retook the lead as Hamilton ran wide at Pouhon, only to then lose it for good as he spun into the wall and retirement, handing the British driver his fifth win of the season."

After Massa's misdemeanour in the pit lane last race, when he should have got a drive through or a 25 second penalty, this is turning F1 into a joke more and more.
 
Utterly shameful :nono: Yet another example of the stewards bias towards Ferrari. I just hope McLaren appeal this one :shrug:
 
This has gone beyond a joke... There was nothing untoward about Hamilton's pass (he gave back the position after using the escape route (which by the way was Kimi's fault as Hamilton was slightly ahead when he was squeezed off)) and I'm guessing nothing was said about the fact that Kimi then rammed Hamilton from the rear which could have resulted in an accident!!!
So last race Ferrari clearly take the **** in the pits and get away with it completely, and this week Hamilton fairly beats the Ferrari's with some superlative driving, only to be denied by Ferrari's pets??

Couple all these incidences with Max Mosley's weekend hobby and you have something almost akin to the Newcastle United board....
 
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they need fulltime stewards, not part time fools at each race. thats the reason there is no consistancy. Race director can only advise, the track stewards make the decisions on the day. mind you, they ARE from belgium
 
Nothing changes in F1, Ferrari have always been first to complain if there is even a tiny infraction by another team, but also not averse to bending the rules if they can...
 
apkent said:
Was the decision not made by the course stewards who are separate from the FIA or am I mistaken?
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The decision was taken by the course stewards, but there is also an FIA representative appointed to oversee the stewards decisions.
 
an injustice funny the stewards looking after the GP2 races at Spa this weekend made some c***p decisions as well. Lewis will stick it to Ferrari next week in Monza:D
 
matty said:
they need fulltime stewards, not part time fools at each race. thats the reason there is no consistancy. Race director can only advise, the track stewards make the decisions on the day. mind you, they ARE from belgium
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Probably EU muppets from Brussels.
I agree their should be full time stewards that follow the series. Less chance of inconsistencies then. Oh hang on they are consistent, Let Ferrari off, penalise McLaren.
I bet the FIA has the plate polished up already.
 
nilagin said:
Probably EU muppets from Brussels.
I agree their should be full time stewards that follow the series. Less chance of inconsistencies then. Oh hang on they are consistent, Let Ferrari off, penalise McLaren.
I bet the FIA has the plate polished up already.
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they have already sent it to the engravers....
 
Another disgusting decision, Formula one should be given its real title "Ferrari One" Lets cut out any pretence of fairness.... JIM:cuckoo:
 
Mclaren should paint their car red......they'll be allowed to win then ;)
 
For a few years F1 has been a bit of a joke with dodgy descisions but this really is beyond comprehension.

The strange bit is that I thought Bernie was keen on Hamilton winning to make the sport seem more inclusive (Tiger Woods stylee)



Any chance of Hamilton appearing in an Interview and doing an Ali G.....

"Iz it coz im Black" ??


;)



//edit tooo slow :(
 
I knew immediately that there would be an "investigation" into the move at the chicane, & we all know that the FIA have a certain bias, but I am amazed they can be so brazen when it appears they don't have a leg to stand on!

Even their race director, Charlie Whiting, said Hamilton had complied with the rules.

It honestly makes me want to stop watching!

It would be good to see some of our motorsports luminaries stand up for fairness in this "sport", then we could all watch replays re-read the rules & shame "Spanky Mosely" & his mates.

Perhaps ITV will feel they can be critical now that they have lost rights to the BBC?

Hears to an appeal!
 
This is really a complete insult isn't it.

It's an insult to anyone that spent the time to watch the race. It's an insult to the idea that there are rules that goven F1 but most of all, it's an insult to Kimi and Lewis' astounding efforts in the closing laps of the race.

I don't want to sound like an old fart but, especially on top of the last after the event investigation, I'm disgusted. :(
 
dazzajl said:
it's an insult to Kimi and Lewis' astounding efforts in the closing laps of the race.
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And I'm sure Masa won't like to have won under those circumstances either.

I think it's about time there was an investigation into the clowns who "run" F1.
 
McLaren have lodged an appeal and rightly so.
 
Mmmmm, just seen the clip on the ITV website.

http://www.itv-f1.com/VideoHighlights.aspx

I think that Hamilton could have been penalised due to the fact that after passing Kimi he stayed very close to racing line. This made Kimi 'go round' Hamilton to a certain degree. If Hamilton had moved over towards the side further in a more obvious movement then there would be no questions. Being close to the racing line in to the next corner helped Hamilton out brake the Ferrari.

Kimi spinning out, could be argued that he was pushing hard to make up the ground. If he had been infront then he would not have had to go to the limit.

Just thought i would try and balance the argument a touch!
 
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seemed fair to me .. he should have got atwo minute penalty and been made to sweep the pit lane before going back out ,,,











oh all right i never watched it .......
 
Why don't Mclaren just tell their the drivers to crash into the Ferrari's on purpose, they are going to get penalties away so they might as do the crime.

I'm totally disgusted by the decision, yet more proof about the corruption in F1
 
And I'm sure Masa won't like to have won under those circumstances either.
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Good point too. If Massa wins this championship by a small clutch of points, his place in history will always be overshadowed by those two wins surrounded by controversy.

Again, not really deserved.
 
Lewis could so easily have crossed the grass and kept the lead, but he played fair and let Kimi go ahead first. I think he played fair, precisely to avoid a penalty. It's not like he deliberately cut the corner to overtake.

Actually... anyone know the exact rules about this? How far back does a driver have to go if he inadvertently overtakes someone after going over the grass?
 
You could also argue that as Kimi regained the lead after the "incident" only to lose it once again by spinning, the chicane moment had liitle to do with the outcome.
 
I have loved F1 for years but i'm afraid i'm rapidly loosing interest, it is supposed to be a sport, but it has developed into a total corrupt farce. There was nothing to penalise Lewis for today and yet in Valencia Ferrari got a fine for there obvious dangerous pit lane antics.
Its time for a break away from F1, I think Mclaren should boycot the rest of the season and lets see how much interest is left then. They should then drive a break away and leave Bernie, Mr Moxley and Ferrari to it.

Dean

www.camerabeanbags.co.uk
 
MG TF 135 said:
Mmmmm, just seen the clip on the ITV website.

http://www.itv-f1.com/VideoHighlights.aspx

I think that Hamilton could have been penalised due to the fact that after passing Kimi he stayed very close to racing line. This made Kimi 'go round' Hamilton to a certain degree. If Hamilton had moved over towards the side further in a more obvious movement then there would be no questions. Being close to the racing line in to the next corner helped Hamilton out brake the Ferrari.
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That is most likely it tbh, Hamilton did stay on the racing the line, and would have always had the better turn for the hairpin, so yes he let him back passed, but still gained the advantage at the same time. If he had of backed of into that bend he would have easily of passed Raikonen at another corner.

Cant see how any-one can complain about the way Raikonen forced Hamilton wide into the corner, as Hamilton has done that to Raikonen and Massa this year.
 
MG TF 135 said:
Mmmmm, just seen the clip on the ITV website.

http://www.itv-f1.com/VideoHighlights.aspx

I think that Hamilton could have been penalised due to the fact that after passing Kimi he stayed very close to racing line. This made Kimi 'go round' Hamilton to a certain degree. If Hamilton had moved over towards the side further in a more obvious movement then there would be no questions. Being close to the racing line in to the next corner helped Hamilton out brake the Ferrari.

Kimi spinning out, could be argued that he was pushing hard to make up the ground. If he had been infront then he would not have had to go to the limit.

Just thought i would try and balance the argument a touch!
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:shake: Firstly I think that Kimi could be accused of dangerous driving when he pushed Hamilton off of the circuit. Hamilton then rightly yielded to Kimi, no problem there, but Kimi was so busy farting about trying to block Hamilton he lost the place.

That's racing, that's what racers do. The issue here is that Ferrari don't like being so closely challenged, (and that that little prat Eckleston is upset that Hamilton's got such a good looking Girlfriend).
 
Comfortably Numb said:
You could also argue that as Kimi regained the lead after the "incident" only to lose it once again by spinning, the chicane moment had liitle to do with the outcome.
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Precisely. Even if Hamilton had over-exaggerated giving the place back by staying behind Kimi through La Source and on the run down to Eau Rouge he would still have had him before Les Coome (sp?). This incident - in fact every incident that may be considered to breach the rules - should take into account the overall effect on the race (unless it is downright dangerous).

Also, the conditions need to be considered. Whilst you can't throw the rule book out of the window just because it rains the fact that they were all on dry tyres cannot be overlooked. You had 20 of the world's best drivers there and every single one of them was all over the place. If the rules had been applied as rigidly then half the field would have ended up with a penalty.
 
dazzajl said:
Good point too. If Massa wins this championship by a small clutch of points, his place in history will always be overshadowed by those two wins surrounded by controversy.

Again, not really deserved.
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Unfortunately people have short memories.

How many remember that Schumacher's first championship was only won after deliberately running into Hill ?:shake:
 
Comfortably Numb said:
How many remember that Schumacher's first championship was only won after deliberately running into Hill ?:shake:
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/raises hand.

And do you also remember when he tried the same stunt with Villenueve a few years later? They took all his points away for the whole season - but then he wasn't on for winning the championship that year so it was a bit of a pointless ( :D ) gesture
 
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