Had a major Brexit fright today

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nilagin said:
UK Minimum wage - £8.21/hr
Basic car wash time. 15-20 minutes. Not really sure how you could charge more to be honest.
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Plus.....rent, business rates, water and sewage, cleaning chemicals, tax, national insurance, public liability insurance to name but a few.
 
woof woof said:
Fairness. My wife is an immigrant and the visa process is long, arduous and expensive and yet some other "foreigners" can come here with no limitations, restrictions or visa hassles and that's maybe just not too fair.
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So if we make everyone have to go through the arduous process, how does that help non EU citizens?
 
Retune said:
if they're not just using the company to launder money from their meth empire.
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Its all there in my link @ post #35

The operation, which involved 180 officers, is the biggest Thames Valley Police has led into trafficking, slavery and drugs.
In a statement, the force said an "organised crime group" was using hand car washes "as a front for their criminal activity".
 
jakeblu said:
Plus.....rent, business rates, water and sewage, cleaning chemicals, tax, national insurance, public liability insurance to name but a few.
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Car cleaning chemicals won't amount to much. £25 would get you enough to do 50 cars at least, probably double. Most hand car washes operate out of car parks or on other business's land so rent is unlikely to cost much. As for sewage, it just goes down the drain, same as if I clean my car in the road.
 
Box Brownie said:
Such as has been said/claimed.....but how many are actually here legally but are being employed under questionable conditions and wages???
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I think this is more to the point. Eastern European labour is allowed to be here, low wages & cash in hand, well that's a different matter.
 
woof woof said:
To me it's a matter of three things, fairness, sustainability and more brutally what's good for the UK.

Fairness. My wife is an immigrant and the visa process is long, arduous and expensive and yet some other "foreigners" can come here with no limitations, restrictions or visa hassles and that's maybe just not too fair.

Sustainability. We have to accept that not everyone who wants to come here can be allowed too. Unrestricted immigration simply isn't sustainable. Some years ago some on the looney fringes had a policy of equilibrium meaning that immigration would be unlimited until the standard of living in the UK fell so much that it reached equilibrium with the countries people were coming from and at that point people wouldn't want to come here anymore. That's an extreme policy and a worst case scenario but even if we don't go that far surely we must accept that their must be limits and the population and quality of life in the UK must be sustainable. We need immigration controls to do that.

Thirdly and most sadly I think we do have to accept that although we need to humanitarian and take in refugees and others in need we also probably need to also select at least some people on the basis of what they have to offer the UK. This may be hard hearted but it's just what other countries do.
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True, citizens of other EU countries can come here freely but U.K. citizens have the same freedoms in the rest of the EU. That fair.
Evidently your wife is a non-EU citizen so my question would be can you move to her country of origin and live/work/buy property and so on with same freedom as citizens of that country?
I don’t want to get bogged down in a personal attack on you, I’m OK with immigration in general and I too married a foreigner, though an EU citizen before UK was a member so I know the difficulties.
 
nilagin said:
Car cleaning chemicals won't amount to much. £25 would get you enough to do 50 cars at least, probably double. Most hand car washes operate out of car parks or on other business's land so rent is unlikely to cost much. As for sewage, it just goes down the drain, same as if I clean my car in the road.
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You don't pay for water and sewage then? As a business its considerably more than a domestic premises. Plus you need a permit, as a business, to drain effluent into the sewers.
 
jakeblu said:
You don't pay for water and sewage then? As a business its considerably more than a domestic premises. Plus you need a permit, as a business, to drain effluent into the sewers.
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I pay exactly the same for water going down the road drains as everybody else.
You could go down to your local jetwash and offer to clean peoples cars for £6 to save them the bother. It would cost you £3 at most and 15 minutes of your time at most. That is £12/hr profit. That will more than cover anything else you have to pay for and still be able to earn minimum wage.
 
It isn't legal for a business to allow the water run off from a car wash to go down the drains. However, I doubt many of them are overly concerned by that small matter.
 
rick448 said:
It isn't legal for a business to allow the water run off from a car wash to go down the drains. However, I doubt many of them are overly concerned by that small matter.
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So dealing with it properly would cost more.
Odd how automated car washes and jetwash machines on garage forecourts manage to do just that, pay all the other expenses and still make a profit.
 
jakeblu said:
I remember reading an article recently which basically said that if your paying less than £6 for your car wash then its not only migrant labour, but slave labour too.
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But by the time they put their fraud into operation they are 'earning' bucketloads of taxpayers money!
 
nilagin said:
Odd how automated car washes and jetwash machines on garage forecourts manage to do just that, pay all the other expenses and still make a profit.
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I guess the clue there would be the 'Automated'

DK602 said:
But by the time they put their fraud into operation they are 'earning' bucketloads of taxpayers money!
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You've completely lost me with that but its left a bad taste in my mouth.
 
jakeblu said:
I guess the clue there would be the 'Automated'
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The machinery still needs to be paid for, it needs to be serviced and repaired. All that will be factored into the cost of it's use.
 
nilagin said:
I pay exactly the same for water going down the road drains as everybody else.
You could go down to your local jetwash and offer to clean peoples cars for £6 to save them the bother. It would cost you £3 at most and 15 minutes of your time at most. That is £12/hr profit. That will more than cover anything else you have to pay for and still be able to earn minimum wage.
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If you are cleaning a car in 15 minutes, you are going to need multiple people to make it happen. One person cannot "properly" clean a car that quickly. I know I take pride in my car, but it takes me at least an hour, and I have all the tools & cleaners.
 
My cars paint has an organic coating, Mud ! it's part of my anti theft system , crap car, covered in mud outside and a mix of mud and dog hair on the inside. It would be very embarrassing to get seen or caught in it. That said someone did smash the window out of it recently in order to nick it then they must of seen the inside ! My anti theft system also has the advantage that no one wants a lift anywhere.
 
rick448 said:
It isn't legal for a business to allow the water run off from a car wash to go down the drains. However, I doubt many of them are overly concerned by that small matter.
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They mostly just allow it to run across the road here, this makes for some very interesting conditions on a cold winters day.
 
BADGER.BRAD said:
My cars paint has an organic coating, Mud ! it's part of my anti theft system , crap car, covered in mud outside and a mix of mud and dog hair on the inside. It would be very embarrassing to get seen or caught in it. That said someone did smash the window out of it recently in order to nick it then they must of seen the inside ! My anti theft system also has the advantage that no one wants a lift anywhere.
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Are you driving my car?
 
Jelster said:
If you are cleaning a car in 15 minutes, you are going to need multiple people to make it happen. One person cannot "properly" clean a car that quickly. I know I take pride in my car, but it takes me at least an hour, and I have all the tools & cleaners.
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Not for a basic wash with a jet wash it won't. I used to park near the car cleaners at Tesco, with multiple people working on a car they would have what their version of a full valet done in 15-20 minutes. That would be cleaned inside and out, wheels cleaned, tyres dressed, interior hoovered and that included moving the car once after it was jet washed and again after it was cleaned and hoovered, so the exterior could be wiped over to dry it.
In an hour I can wash my car, dry it, clean the wheels, apply a liquid wax and polish it all off, all by hand.
 
nilagin said:
Not for a basic wash with a jet wash it won't. I used to park near the car cleaners at Tesco, with multiple people working on a car they would have what their version of a full valet done in 15-20 minutes. That would be cleaned inside and out, wheels cleaned, tyres dressed, interior hoovered and that included moving the car once after it was jet washed and again after it was cleaned and hoovered, so the exterior could be wiped over to dry it.
In an hour I can wash my car, dry it, clean the wheels, apply a liquid wax and polish it all off, all by hand.
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That's what I said... It would take multiple people, so the cost has just gone up..... How they clean a car in 15 minutes for £8 is beyond me. Even if it's only 3 people, they have to cover the overheads, and with min wage being over £8.00 per hour, the economics just don't stack up....
 
Jelster said:
That's what I said... It would take multiple people, so the cost has just gone up..... How they clean a car in 15 minutes for £8 is beyond me. Even if it's only 3 people, they have to cover the overheads, and with min wage being over £8.00 per hour, the economics just don't stack up....
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Exactly this! That is why there is fraud on a massive scale with hand car washes and it's costing the Country a fortune!
 
Jelster said:
That's what I said... It would take multiple people, so the cost has just gone up..... How they clean a car in 15 minutes for £8 is beyond me. Even if it's only 3 people, they have to cover the overheads, and with min wage being over £8.00 per hour, the economics just don't stack up....
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The multiple people are doing what they call a full valet. A basic wash doesn't entail a lot of work. It's barely any different to what you can do yourself down the local jetwash. Spray water on car, 1 minute or less. Use brush with suds to clean. 2-3 minutes. Use jet wash to rinse off suds, 1 minute or less. Towel dry car, 5 minutes maximum. All done in 10 minutes.
 
nilagin said:
UK Minimum wage - £8.21/hr.
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Employees below 25 years old usually face lower wages; for example: £6.15 per hour for workers between 18 and 20 years old.
 
ProJack said:
Employees below 25 years old usually face lower wages; for example: £6.15 per hour for workers between 18 and 20 years old.
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I'm aware of that, which makes it even more possible. But I quoted the higher rate to show it was still possible.
 
simon ess said:
I don't know for sure. Why wouldn't they?
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Proper car detailing yes, high street car wash. I can't see it somehow. The car retailer I linked to previously has an apprentice. She does a full car clean polish and wax at weekends only £75. I should imagine a couple of hours work and daresay she gets more than minimum wage out of that.
 
nilagin said:
I'm aware of that, which makes it even more possible. But I quoted the higher rate to show it was still possible.
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You surely can not believe that hand car washes are legitimate businesses can you?
 
DK602 said:
You surely can not believe that hand car washes are legitimate businesses can you?
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Do you think supermarkets would allow illegal businesses to operate in their car parks, advertise the fact they have a car wash and even go as far as to put their own branding on the car wash area?
 
nilagin said:
Do you think supermarkets would allow illegal businesses to operate in their car parks, advertise the fact they have a car wash and even go as far as to put their own branding on the car wash area?
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errrrr.................yes - they just rent the space to the carwash.
 
nilagin said:
The multiple people are doing what they call a full valet. A basic wash doesn't entail a lot of work. It's barely any different to what you can do yourself down the local jetwash. Spray water on car, 1 minute or less. Use brush with suds to clean. 2-3 minutes. Use jet wash to rinse off suds, 1 minute or less. Towel dry car, 5 minutes maximum. All done in 10 minutes.
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My local car wash charges £10, in & out. Last time I was there it took them over 15 minutes with 3 to 4 people, I was in the queue for another 15-20 minutes. I did briefly think about setting up a car wash in our village, but the economics just don't stack up. If I did a quick wash inside & out it would be 30 minutes on my own. The materials (chemicals etc), the rent, the insurance etc all start to add up. I would have to charge a minimum of £40 per man hour, so that's £20, and then I'd be lucky to see any profit.
 
mikew said:
If the EU workers go home will i still be able to get my car washed for £6 :LOL:
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It's a terrifying thought for the remainers: no more exploitation of EU nationals. Slavery 2.0 is coming to an end.... oh woe is us, what will we do? :runaway:
 
gman said:
It's a terrifying thought for the remainers: no more exploitation of EU nationals. Slavery 2.0 is coming to an end.... oh woe is us, what will we do? :runaway:
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Its not just the slavery; its the human trafficking, exploitation and a massive drain on our benefits system!
 
Jelster said:
My local car wash charges £10, in & out. Last time I was there it took them over 15 minutes with 3 to 4 people, I was in the queue for another 15-20 minutes. I did briefly think about setting up a car wash in our village, but the economics just don't stack up. If I did a quick wash inside & out it would be 30 minutes on my own. The materials (chemicals etc), the rent, the insurance etc all start to add up. I would have to charge a minimum of £40 per man hour, so that's £20, and then I'd be lucky to see any profit.
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So true Steve; the economics don't add up if run correctly yet they are on 'every street corner'! Doesn't take rocket science to work out something iffy is going on!
 
Well i guess i will have to go to Latvia or Poland to get it done if Brexit happens images3.jpg

Gone a bit heavy this fun thread
 
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