Gypsy Princess's

not forgettingh i am not talking about travellers im only talking about romani gypsi

these are 2 totally different people

as for the i trade rating well i hold my hands up i dealt with it in the most stupid way and feel like a complete pratt, i really wanted the item but something happened and i had to go back on my word and i hated it and was ashamed of myself.
but to be honest i dont think that has anything to do with this though
 
matty198111 said:
i didnt say that the myths were not fact, of course some of them are true.

no culture is perfect
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It wasn't you I quoted regarding the myths, I was simply pointing out that there is 2 sides to every coin. And you are right, no culture is perfect.

bigrob said:
The travelling community does itself no favours. Look at the mess that is left behind when they do move on.
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Again, the travelling community is split into 2 main groups, and I am sure they are split yet again in to smaller factions. You can't label the entire travelling community the same.

Out of interest Matty I see that you have had one iTade deal on here and you have negative feedback.

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=277702

You had the money, you don't have the money, your Mrs find some money, then it all goes quiet and then you get a bad rating.

What happened there then?
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I don't see that has anything to do with this conversation and looks more like a personal attack than anything else.
 
I don't see that has anything to do with this conversation and looks more like a personal attack than anything else.
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My point too!
 
I have to say, having been on a traveller and awareness course, that some of the information you are providing totally contradicts the information we were given, by members of the gypsy community on our course.

I am not trying to contradict you, but I do find it interesting as frankly I thought half of what they said was a pile of **** and I am interested in your take on it.

It specifically relates to you saying your wife can go out. We were told gypsy - as opposed to traveller, woman, did not go out unchaperoned, did not talk to unrelated males, comparisons between gypsy culture and strict Muslim were made, the point was made that it was offensive for an unrelated male to speak to or approach a gypsy woman.

We were also told that the gypsy culture involves a high degree of morality, which is why young weddings are encouraged and that marriage outside of the culture is frowned upon.

Re mess, we have 2 static traveller sites and a few that come and go, its unbelievable, no other part of our locality is like it.

I am sure like every culture there are good and bad, I think the bad just outshine the rest of you. I too speak from personal experience of friends who have had death threats and threats to have their businesses torched, (next door to their family home) over a dispute that did not involve them, just someone who was renting space in their yard.

That said, I do not believe this to be repesentative of true "gypsy" culture, just an element that hangs onto their coat tails.

I also think the remark re the itrade was out of line!!!!!!
 
My friends dad has lost a lot of his land because of these so called travellers, the council made about 4 acres of his land subject to compulsory purchase (for peanuts) to home these lazy theives, unbeleivebly he has also has livestock stolen, 2 tractors and numerous tools etc, etc.

He now has to drive through the gypsy site to get to his land and property and is met with derision every single day of his life, his business has gone belly up and he cant sell it to anyone as a going concern, the council will buy it though to extend the camp.

Now im in no way wanting to tar the whole gypsy community with the same brush but every single one of them ive come across are bad people but to een it up a little there are also bad apples in every type of community
 
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jomantha said:
I have to say, having been on a traveller and awareness course, that some of the information you are providing totally contradicts the information we were given, by members of the gypsy community on our course.

I am not trying to contradict you, but I do find it interesting as frankly I thought half of what they said was a pile of **** and I am interested in your take on it.

It specifically relates to you saying your wife can go out. We were told gypsy - as opposed to traveller, woman, did not go out unchaperoned, did not talk to unrelated males, comparisons between gypsy culture and strict Muslim were made, the point was made that it was offensive for an unrelated male to speak to or approach a gypsy woman.

We were also told that the gypsy culture involves a high degree of morality, which is why young weddings are encouraged and that marriage outside of the culture is frowned upon.

Re mess, we have 2 static traveller sites and a few that come and go, its unbelievable, no other part of our locality is like it.

I am sure like every culture there are good and bad, I think the bad just outshine the rest of you. I too speak from personal experience of friends who have had death threats and threats to have their businesses torched, (next door to their family home) over a dispute that did not involve them, just someone who was renting space in their yard.

That said, I do not believe this to be repesentative of true "gypsy" culture, just an element that hangs onto their coat tails.

I also think the remark re the itrade was out of line!!!!!!
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I don't think this is right, I can remember the Gypsy women (not travelers) coming around selling heather and pegs where I used to live, they were quiye chatty and friendly.
 
bigrob said:
Actually Nigel I believe it calls in to question his integrity.
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1 bad comment or transaction does not question someone's integrity, we've all at some point in our lives had at least 1 incident around a purchase, whether it be forgetting your wallet when getting petrol, sending something out late or just changing your mind on a purchase because you've had an unexpected bill.

Stop being an arse!
 
Matty, I didn't realise there was travellers and gypsy's? Whats the difference?

The ones that cause all the problems around here have a strong irish accent (like on the show) and are nothing but a pain in the arse.

I've never met a gypsy/traveller to make me think any different. I have and always will avoid them like the plague.
 
bigrob said:
Actually Nigel I believe it calls in to question his integrity.
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And that matters because?


Oh wait, it doesn't.

Matt has gone out of his way to explain more about his personal culture and beliefs etc despite generally being quite a private person. He deserves more respect for that than you do for your remarks. A lot more.
 
I think this thread should be closed now, he ends up not buying an item on here and his integrity is brought into question.

I know he has given us an insight into his personal circumstances and life but why on earth should he have to justify himself and his culture? I know he voluntarily wrote his piece but how many other people would do that?

Matty, I wish you would delete what you've written about your personal life. But it's also been quoted in other posts too. I'll pm a link to you later, you'd be very welcome to join us.

Very sad.
 
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Crazyhorse said:
I think this thread should be closed now, he ends up not buying an item on here and his integrity is brought into question.

I know he has given us an insight into his personal circumstances and life but why on earth should he have to justify himself and his culture? I know he voluntarily wrote his piece but how many other people would do that?

Matty, I wish you would delete what you've written about your personal life. But it's also been quoted in other posts too. I'll pm a link to you later, you'd be very welcome to join us.

Very sad.
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Who said he was justifying himself, who said he was after approval. His post is pretty informative.

Think it's a bit pointless closing the thread.
 
Crazyhorse said:
I think this thread should be closed now, he ends up not buying an item on here and his integrity is brought into question.

I know he has given us an insight into his personal circumstances and life but why on earth should he have to justify himself and his culture? I know he voluntarily wrote his piece but how many other people would do that?

Matty, I wish you would delete what you've written about your personal life. But it's also been quoted in other posts too. I'll pm a link to you later, you'd be very welcome to join us.

Very sad.
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I feel a little responsible, as I asked Matt perhaps he can give us an insight about his Romany culture.

I also feel that his integrity should not be questioned, that was certainly uncalled for.
I agree with Lisa that the thread should now be closed as it has gone off track.
 
Crazyhorse said:
I think this thread should be closed now, he ends up not buying an item on here and his integrity is brought into question.

I know he has given us an insight into his personal circumstances and life but why on earth should he have to justify himself and his culture? I know he voluntarily wrote his piece but how many other people would do that?

Matty, I wish you would delete what you've written about your personal life. But it's also been quoted in other posts too. I'll pm a link to you later, you'd be very welcome to join us.

Very sad.
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I was going to close this earlier, or at very least edit it. I've been up to the eyes in work though, so couldn't.

The reason I didn't was because the community rallied round and publicly tried to correct an obviously irrelevant and blatant case of baiting, some might even say trolling.

If matty wants it tidied up however I'll be more than happy to do so.
 
i dont mind about the itrade post some people have nothing better to do than to have a dig and i do believe that was below the belt but im happy for it to stay, tbh its the first time ive actually replied about it part because i was a **** and part because i was ashamed, but hopefully robin feels better knowing and im sure that one mistake has made his mind up about an entire culture.

@dal
mate it would be easier for you to google the difference than for me to type it up.
as i can only tell you about my life and not about other families, i tried that in a previous post and it seems that even that was questioned.

thanks all
 
Crazyhorse said:
I think this thread should be closed now, he ends up not buying an item on here and his integrity is brought into question.

I know he has given us an insight into his personal circumstances and life but why on earth should he have to justify himself and his culture? I know he voluntarily wrote his piece but how many other people would do that?

Matty, I wish you would delete what you've written about your personal life. But it's also been quoted in other posts too. I'll pm a link to you later, you'd be very welcome to join us.

Very sad.
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look forward to the link

mat
 
Hi Matt

I'll pm the link to you in a mo. You might not be interested but we have a good mix of Gypsies, Travellers and non Gypsies and Travellers.

Nigel, don't feel guilty, you started the thread with no malice and I guess the programme is interesting to say the least, viewing as an outsider.:)

Also Gypsy and Traveller should be spelt with a capital G & T because both Gypsies and Irish Travellers were granted ethnic status in law, giving them protection under RRA. Romany Gypsies were granted it around 1987 and Irish and Scottish Travellers more recently. :)

This is my final post on this thread.:wave:

Lisa
 
Hi, just to say that I wasn't asking anyone to justify themselves, I found Mattys post highly informative and well written and certainly makes a lot more sense to me than the information I was given on my course.
 
swanseamale47 said:
I don't think this is right, I can remember the Gypsy women (not travelers) coming around selling heather and pegs where I used to live, they were quiye chatty and friendly.
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I didn't think a lot of the things we were told on the course sounded right tbh, hence why I asked, no one one the course knew enough to challenge the *experts*!

Another wonderful gem suggested was that in order to befriend the local Gypsy community, we should start by befriending the children, because of course if some unknown adult started trying to befriend my children, I would be really comfortable with it - not.

Its my personal opinion that the course was a waste of time and money. Mattys viewpoint just confirmed what I already thought.
 
jomantha said:
Another wonderful gem suggested was that in order to befriend the local Gypsy community, we should start by befriending the children, because of course if some unknown adult started trying to befriend my children, I would be really comfortable with it - not.
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Oddly enough, in my earlier post about my friends dad and all the issues he's had he did say that the kids acted like a go between from their adults to people outside the community. Language was one reason that was given as well as them being more with the times.
 
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