Gunman Dies

tiler65 said:
Actually you need to read it as it does not state that majority is for drugs.
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The stats say that over 1/3 commit robberies for drug money, a further 7 percent commit robberies while high on drugs. The report also references the crack-cocaine market being a large factor in American robberies.

"While the majority of armed robbers
cite getting money for drugs as a key
motivating factor for their crimes, some
armed robbers report that they do not
engage in regular drug taking, particularly
those engaged in high-risk armed
robberies."
 
Garry Edwards said:
Why do they commit crimes? There may be many reasons but often it's because
1. They are too idle to work
2. They have a massive chip on their shoulder and believe that because they are 'have nots' they have the right to steal from the 'haves'. They blame society as a whole for the fact that they have nothing, just as ignorant people blame immigrants or any other people who are different from themselves for their own failures.
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Pure speculation. If only the motivating factors for crime were so easy to bullet point - criminal psychologists and sociologists would all be out of a job.

Especially 2.
 
right thats one out, whos next?
 
London Headshots said:
Pure speculation. If only the motivating factors for crime were so easy to bullet point - criminal psychologists and sociologists would all be out of a job.

Especially 2.
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Well, personally I'm not too sure about the contribution that criminal psychologists and sociologists make to society.

It might be helpful if some of them were to become police officers, maybe we need more people who stop criminals and less apologists for criminal behaviour.
 
whos cares why they do these crimes? i sure as hell don't.

Once step over the line that everyday people respect and abide by, you loose your rights. The Law takes you into custody or the law takes you out.

Break the laws of the land and exspect the worst.

Millions of people everyday get by with out holding some one up. Robbing a Post office.

So hold one up with a toy gun then exspect passers by or the Police to knock 7 bells out of them.

Not interested in the reasons why.
 
Daryl said:
whos cares why they do these crimes? i sure as hell don't.

Once step over the line that everyday people respect and abide by, you loose your rights. The Law takes you into custody or the law takes you out.

Break the laws of the land and exspect the worst.

Millions of people everyday get by with out holding some one up. Robbing a Post office.

So hold one up with a toy gun then exspect passers by or the Police to knock 7 bells out of them.

Not interested in the reasons why.
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+1!!!

It's along the same lines as the scumbags that injure themselves trying to break into somewhere and try to prosecute the owners of the building :thinking::bonk:

If you weren't trying to break the law in the first place no harm would have come to you.... simples!
 
So to get back on track and add some meat to the bones, there are many walks of life in our society, some having never "met" the lower end and only getting a tabloid view of the workings in their existance. The OP says he felt soft for feeling the emotion of sorrow for the loss of life and that's a fine trait, it is afterall a human life lost.

Coming from a large family that existed on an estate that is rife with crime on all levels, you get to understand the way they think and live. This is not a sweeping statement but an insight into a part of life that I grew up in.

These types of criminals have little fear, of committing the crime or getting caught, they know the odds and they mostly fall in their favour. The increase in crimes that hardly get reported ( from a police officer friend) as the victims know it won't get the result is a crime in itself. The robbers also know that targetting businesses is a good trade for them, health and safety, insurance policy, staying on the cautious side means most will hand over goods or cash without much resistance. I am surprised there is not more "fake gun" holdups due to this.
Even the police have guidlines on when to abandon a chase if it risks too much danger, so the thieves drive faster.
There are also the ones that will rob a house and then go back 4 to 6 weeks later and rob it again as they will have brand new goods for taking.

Get a knock on the door and be faced with someone demanding your car keys, they will take your laptop and other easily sold on items and drive away in your car, getting caught is limited low risk, getting a smack even lower.

Need a new engine/gearbox/interior for your car, no problem, they will steal a matching one to order. These types of crimes are easy for the people I grew up with, some have a better lifestyle than me and have never done a real days work in 45 years. Its inbred, and its getting worse. There was a time when you never shi t on your own doorstep, drugs and greed for better income has disolved all that.

I still nod at the people I knew, I keep my distance, I know people who would put a knife in your face because someone "above" them asked them too. Its not a nice world, I'm glad I'm out of it. I'm classed as the white sheep in the family.

I do not have sympathy for those that fall, I have a nod at the justice done to the ones that were wronged. There is always a choice in your lifestyle. Jaded I may be, proud I am.
 
Identify with and agree with most of that Phil.

Your response is reasonable.

Revelling in, applauding, wishing for or applauding the death of another human being is not IMO.
 
simon ess said:
Identify with and agree with most of that Phil.

Your response is reasonable.

Revelling in, applauding, wishing for or applauding the death of another human being is not IMO.
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I think the thing to think about in that Simon is if it's close to home then emotions get in the way.

The world was happy when Saddam and his folk were killed, there was little sympathy for the teenager that rampaged through a school then took his own life. There are no tiers of good deaths or bad ones, each is a loss to someone.

I constantly tell my kids that I will respect every decision they make, as long as they understand that each one has a concequence, not only for them but others. They think about the choice they have and mostly make the right one. Self regulation in what is right socially, has more impact on the wellbeing of community than a selfish act. Only one person owns the thoughts in your mind and (s)he is not devine - only human.
 
Excellent post by Phil.

I didn't grow up on an estate, I grew up in a lot of different places, my mother and kids were constantly being moved from one uninhabitable flat to another, there was never enough food and heating was something that other people had. This was in the days when women were expected to put up with violent husbands and if they left, they were on their own and had to fight the authorities just to keep their kids with them...

Education was poor to say the least. I had been born at the end of the war, there were millions of kids and very few teachers, most of them were useless as well as unqualified. Many were sadists, some were paedophiles. There was one black kid in our school, he was physically big and didn't have any problems from the other kids because of it, but most of the teachers treated him as dirt.

Just 2 kids from my year sat the GCE. Careers advice involved telling us to work in a factory or join the army for boys, a factory for the girls or, if they were something special, they may get a job in an office.

That didn't appeal to me so whilst most were getting up to all sorts of mischief I was at evening classes, getting my 'O's and 'A's so that I could get a place at uni.

About 10 years after leaving school I saw one of the other kids from my class. He had a good job as a postman. He had kept in touch with others and told me about 2 that had died, others that were in prison, he and I were the only ones who had a regular job, he said.

So, given the background of poverty, poor housing, almost no education and peer pressure, why didn't I turn to crime?
Because I made my own choices.
 
I am completely perplexed as to why I was suspended for my comments in this thread.

I don't get this forum sometimes. There are regulars who bait and troll with complete impunity it seems, yet others get suspended at the drop of a hat.
 
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matty said:
right thats one out, whos next?
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In all seriousness, can you please let me know which post got me suspended? Because I cannot see which one it is, and if I don't know, I have no way of knowing how to avoid future suspensions, which I assume, since I've been suspended twice this week, will be an outright ban.

I ask because I can't see how Tiler65's posts are any different to mine. Yet I was the only one who was suspended.
 
London Headshots said:
In all honesty, every other time I've been banned, I've been surprised, but can kind of see where I said something wrong, but I am completely perplexed as to why I was suspended for my comments in this thread.

I don't get this forum sometimes. There are regulars who bait and troll with complete impunity it seems, yet others get suspended at the drop of a hat.
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I have no idea why you were suspended either. And I certainly do not RTM discussions.

One last point - ditch the word troll and learn to agree that it is a discussion with differing opinions.
 
Hey I don't think you were trolling at all man. As far as I was concerned we were both debating points we felt strongly about.

I don't see you as someone who RTM's at all.
 
I am surprised that any one who was suspended, go's on and questions the decision in the open forum. On most forums that in itself begs a ban.

It is a rule we all learn quite soon in our online lives, and Keeps it a good place to come visit.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
I am surprised that any one who was suspended, go's on and questions the decision in the open forum. On most forums that in itself begs a ban.

It is a rule we all learn quite soon in our online lives, and Keeps it a good place to come visit.
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how ironic.
 
London Headshots said:
I am completely perplexed as to why I was suspended for my comments in this thread.

I don't get this forum sometimes. There are regulars who bait and troll with complete impunity it seems, yet others get suspended at the drop of a hat.
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