Gunman Dies

[odd jim]

It's easy to be glad. It's one less person in the world who could cause me harm. I'm glad about that.

Also one less person to pay benefits to whilst he commits crimes against the very same people who pay said benefits, so he can have his house, keep his kids in track suits, sky tv on his 50" plasma, Tennants Super Brew etc... Whilst still moaning he doesn't get enough money.

 

[Strike]

I think it was suicide, lets face it the bookies is full of guys who like to take a risk and a gamble, it was odds on he would get his head kicked in.

 

[London Headshots]

Because he's a robbing scrote who's no loss to anyone (other than his family if any). I can see why his hypothetical family and freinds might be sad , but why should anyone who didn't know him be sad to see a criminal get his.

I'm not saying he didn't essentially receive what should have been expected from people put in, what they believed, to be mortal danger, I'm just saying it's very weird that so many people on this forum seem to revel in other people's deaths in these scenarios.

It's all very, I dunno.. Daily Mail-ish.

 

[odd jim]

I'm not saying he didn't essentially receive what should have been expected from people put in, what they believed, to be mortal danger, I'm just saying it's very weird that so many people on this forum seem to revel in other people's deaths in these scenarios.

It's all very, I dunno.. Daily Mail-ish.

It's not revelling in his death, it's the fact that people don't like people who do this sort of thing over and over again walking the streets.

Would you like to live next door to him,or be his next victim?

 

[London Headshots]

Also, did you miss my post about the armed robbery he did in 2009?

I don't really read any of your posts. Sorry.

 

[odd jim]

I don't really read any of your posts. Sorry.

Maybe you should, you might learn something.

 

[London Headshots]

It's not revelling in his death, it's the fact that people don't like scum who do this sort of thing over and over again walking the streets.

Would you like to live next door to him,or be his next victim?

I live opposite a halfway house right now. There's two convicted criminals sitting on the steps outside it smoking cigarettes as we speak.

Granted, I'm in Kensington, so I doubt they're murder-rapists, but they still seem pretty rough around the edges.

I generally nod to them when I walk past.

 

[Russ77]

If any charges are brought against the guys that bravely confronted a would be armed robber, what message would it send out to other criminals or people with criminal intent?

Those involved with preventing the robbery should receive a bravery award, end of story!

If this guy wasn't doing something wrong then no harm would have come to him, simple.

That is my opinion, say what you like but it's not going to change

 

[odd jim]

I live opposite a halfway house right now. There's two convicted criminals sitting on the steps outside it smoking cigarettes as we speak.

Granted, I'm in Kensington, so I doubt they're murder-rapists, but they still seem pretty rough around the edges.

I generally nod to them when I walk past.

That's great. Now go give them a hug.

How would you feel if one of them knocked on your door and put a gun to your face, or that of a family member, as this a hole did?

 

[neil_g]

You'd think for a Saturday night more people would be out having fun rather than bickering on a forum..


Ho hum.

 

[London Headshots]

That's great. Now go give them a hug.

How would you feel if one of them knocked on your door and put a gun to your face, or that of a family member?

I think I'd be terrified, but I can't promise I'd be glad if he was dead. If I had to kill him to stop him from hurting them, then I'd probably be prepared to do it, but as a simple reaction to the situation, I cannot say for certain that I would wish any of them to pay the ultimate price.

They seem like a pretty nice bunch of guys. One of them helped my girlfriend down the stairs with the pram a few months ago.

 

[tiler65]

You'd think for a Saturday night more people would be out having fun rather than bickering on a forum..


Ho hum.

It is what discussions do.............it is a forum for discussing and putting one's point of view. There is very rarely any black an white scenarios.

 

[London Headshots]

You'd think for a Saturday night more people would be out having fun rather than bickering on a forum..


Ho hum.

Saturday night is just a Monday or a Wednesday when you've got a six month old baby.

Plus I'm working.

 

[odd jim]

You'd think for a Saturday night more people would be out having fun rather than bickering on a forum..

Ho hum.

Nope, I'm in as I've gotta be up early to deal with the sort of individual we are discussing. We don't all have weekends off.

 

[odd jim]

I think I'd be terrified, but I can't promise I'd be glad if he was dead. If I had to kill him to stop him from hurting them, then I'd probably be prepared to do it, but as a simple reaction to the situation, I cannot say for certain that I would wish any of them to pay the ultimate price.

They seem like a pretty nice bunch of guys. One of them helped my girlfriend down the stairs with the pram a few months ago.

Yes, he was probably checking her out to see what he could steal, lure into a false sense of security, or worse. We are talking about people here who can't even get a bail address.

 

[Garry Edwards]

It takes a monumental ammount of balls to do what they did - up to the point where we got held up i'd always thought of myself as someone who would "have a go" - after all holywood makes it seem so simple , and in my case i used to be a soilder and I've had some training in unarmed combat.

But in reality its not like that at all - its a perfectly normal evenig shift then suddenly someone points (in our case) a sawn off double barrel shotgun at you from about ten feet away and cocks it - this was in 1997 and I can still visuasliose and hear the click of those hammers going back - and you've got this unstable hyped up kid with his finger on the triggers and you're accutely aware that if he pulls it you and your colleagues are going to die.

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as i say in this case massive kudos to the guys who tackled him - and if the authorities do wind up charging them, i'll be contributiing to their defence fund.

That must be an unbelievably horrific experience, and it would be suicidal to tackle anyone armed with a shotgun at that distance.
I'm guessing that in the attempted robbery we're talking about, he made the mistake of letting people get behind him...

I would be amazed if anyone was charged as a result of what happened, unless there's far more to it than we know about. It isn't in the public interest, and the Justice Minister has said that people shouldn't face trial unless the level of force used against criminals is totally disproportionate.

 

[pepi1967]

Yes, he was probably checking her out to see what he could steal.

 

[London Headshots]

Yes, he was probably checking her out to see what he could steal.

Good point, maybe he's going to steal her changing bag and baby toys.

 

[pepi1967]

Don't be to shocked If he does some people will steal anything if it makes a couple of quid.

 

[odd jim]

Good point, maybe he's going to steal her changing bag and baby toys.

No, I'd guess her wallet, phone or handbag.

As I said, these lovely citizens are so nice they can't even get a bail address. That's how much their friends and family feel for them. Or maybe they just don't want to live with thieving scuzz?

 

[London Headshots]

Yes, he was probably checking her out to see what he could steal, lure into a false sense of security, or worse. We are talking about people here who can't even get a bail address.

Don't be ridiculous. Look at her boyfriend.

There's way easier targets in the street.

And yes, that is the most awesome t-shirt you've ever seen.

 

[pepi1967]

What's the pic supposed to do? :shrug:

 

[odd jim]

Don't be ridiculous. Look at her boyfriend.

There's way easier targets in the street.

And yes, that is the most awesome t-shirt you've ever seen.

Eh?

 

[London Headshots]

No, I'd guess her wallet, phone or handbag.

As I said, these lovely citizens are so nice they can't even get a bail address. That's how much their friends and family feel for them. Or maybe they just don't want to live with thieving scum?

Or maybe they're people with no families who've fallen on extremely hard times.

The more likely scenario is that before gong to prison, they had a council house or YMCA accommodation which was subsequently lost while in prison and are living at a voluntary dry-house while their application for a new home passes. The prerequisite for such a stay would probably be weekly drug testing to ensure that they're staying clean. None of them seem to ever go out much, they just sit on the steps being sociable with each other.

I really support that. I like to think most people can do better if you give them the support. But only if they want it, obviously. These guys seem to want it.

Certainly not perfect enough to sit behind a computer judging people whose stories I don't know.

 

[odd jim]

Or maybe they're people with no families who've fallen on extremely hard times.

The more likely scenario is that before gong to prison, they had a council house or YMCA accommodation which was subsequently lost while in prison and are living at a voluntary dry-house while their application for a new home passes. The prerequisite for such a stay would probably be weekly drug testing to ensure that they're staying clean. None of them seem to ever go out much, they just sit on the steps being sociable with each other.

I really support that. I like to think most people can do better if you give them the support. But only if they want it, obviously. These guys seem to want it.

Certainly not perfect enough to sit behind a computer judging people whose stories I don't know.

Nope, they're convicted criminals out from prison on licence.

I'm just talking from years (decades) of professional experiences dealing with these types of people.

I'd like to live in your world though, it seems much nicer.

 

[London Headshots]

What's the pic supposed to do? :shrug:

I think it's supposed to display on your screen. Is it not showing up for you? It should be a picture of an extremely well built man who would probably deter a random opportunist who lives but three seconds from his home.

 

[London Headshots]

I'm just talking from years (decades) of professional experiences dealing with these types of people.

I'd like to live in your world though, it seems much nicer.

You wouldn't like to live in my world, I don't have the luxury of getting to pretend I'm better than everyone else or that I know enough to pass judgment on anyone I see fit.

I'm way too imperfect.

 

[odd jim]

I think it's supposed to display on your screen. Is it not showing up for you? It should be a picture of an extremely well built man who would probably deter a random opportunist who lives but three seconds from his home.

Were you there? It wouldn't deter a snatch and grab.

 

[London Headshots]

Nope, they're convicted criminals out from prison on licence.

I'm just talking from years (decades) of professional experiences dealing with these types of people.

Your years of experience have jaded you and made you quite unpleasant in this instance. I'm glad I don't have your job. You're probably a perfectly charming man in all other areas.

 

[pepi1967]

I think it's supposed to display on your screen. Is it not showing up for you? It should be a picture of an extremely well built man who would probably deter a random opportunist who lives but three seconds from his home.

Oh I can see the picture but I wouldn't say you would deter anyone. :shrug:

Anyway the topic is about a dead robber and I for one thinks he got what he deserves.

 

[London Headshots]

Were you there? It wouldn't deter a snatch and grab.

A snatch and grab? Tautology?

But he didn't do it. Unless you think he's been casing her for the past three months in order to find the best time to strike so he can get her iPhone.

Seems pretty audacious. Especially given that he's lived there over a year and there hasn't been a single incident.

I think you're probably just really jaded by whatever job you had. Not everyone is out to get you.

 

[odd jim]

Your years of experience have jaded you and made you quite unpleasant in this instance. I'm glad I don't have your job. You're probably a perfectly charming man in all other areas.

In some ways you're right. It does jade you, but on the other hand, it makes you aware of what goes on around you. Things that most people have the luxury of never having to deal with. But you also see what it does to their innocent victims.

 

[London Headshots]

Oh I can see the picture but I wouldn't say you would deter anyone. :shrug:

Anyway the topic is about a dead robber and I for one thinks he got what he deserves.

Of course you wouldn't, that would require a kind of backhanded acknowledgement that I am exactly the kind of person who probably would deter an opportunist, which, in your mind, would be too much of an allowance.

I understand.

 

[London Headshots]

In some ways you're right. It does jade you, but on the other hand, it makes you aware of what goes on around you things that most people have the luxury of never having to deal with. But you also see what it does to their innocent victims.

I'm not saying you're wrong, or that the experience you have (I assume prison officer?) hasn't put you in touch with some of the really fringe elements of our society, but I will say that assuming everyone is bad is damaging only to yourself.

That just can't be a comfortable way to think. I also hope you aren't still a prison officer, because I'd hate to think there was someone in our services giving the same short shrift to every single inmate in their care.

 

[London Headshots]

Also really surprised nobody has given me a high five for my t-shirt.

 

[pepi1967]

Of course you wouldn't, that would require a kind of backhanded acknowledgement that I am exactly the kind of person who probably would deter an opportunist, which, in your mind, would be too much of an allowance.

I understand.

Nope not at all I just don't think you would deter anyone so I can't give you any allowance for something I don't believe to be true. If you think size is a deterrent your very wrong indeed.

 

[odd jim]

I'm not saying you're wrong, or that the experience you have (I assume prison officer?) hasn't put you in touch with some of the really fringe elements of our society, but I will say that assuming everyone is bad is damaging only to yourself.

That just can't be a comfortable way to think. I also hope you aren't still a prison officer, because I'd hate to think there was someone in our services giving the same short shrift to every single inmate in their care.

Nope, not a prison officer.

But yes, I know not all people are bad, but these arnt the people who commit armed robberies, or, generally speaking, dwell in a half way house (read - bail hostel).

 

[London Headshots]

Nope not at all I just don't think you would deter anyone so I can't give you any allowance for something I don't believe to be true. If you think size is a deterrent your very wrong indeed.

Well, it generally is. Hence the term "pick on someone your own size". Unless you're saying that all criminals are brave?

As I understand the type of opportunist crime, most criminals of such nature will generally pick a very low-risk target. Jim probably knows more than me, but I think he'd confirm that.

I doubt, when scoping for someone to mug or attack, people will generally pick the guy who looks the way I do. I only say this because people I meet or know will generally make a comment at some point about how they wouldn't want to mess with me.

I'm not saying there aren't those who look for a challenge, but if you saw that guy walking home from the gym looking like that, you would probably just wait for the next person. Unless you were in a real rush or something..

 

[London Headshots]

Nope, not a prison officer.

But yes, I know not all people are bad, but these arnt the people who commit armed robberies, or, generally speaking, dwell in a half way house (read - bail hostel).

My dad lived in a halfway house for two years. He's never committed a crime in his life, but is an alcoholic. He lived there with other drug abusers, some of whom, I assume were criminals. He fell behind on rent in his council house and was moved there because they couldn't put him on the street.

My point is that, again, not all people are deducible from their circumstance.

 

[London Headshots]

Ah, actually Jim, you know what, I think it might not be a halfway house, I think it may be a hostel. Are they different?