Greek photographer arrested in London

Wasn't the boot on the other foot a few years back? I'm sure a group of British togs were detained in Greece for taking photo's outside an airport.
Not saying it's right, probably just karma.
 
Nothing wrong with taking photos in a public place, and deleted the photos after showing the parent that there was nothing sinister despite not having to.

Absolute farce.

As for the photographers taking photos of planes in Greece, there was more to it that just the photos - use of scanners to listen on conversations, mud on their shoes despite the public access area being concrete, had notes of some numbers/info that wasn't vissibe from the open access area they claimed to be in
 
cyclone said:
Wasn't the boot on the other foot a few years back? I'm sure a group of British togs were detained in Greece for taking photo's outside an airport.
Not saying it's right, probably just karma.
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REVENGE:nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

:D

but seriously, twasn't very nice! for either the aviation togs in greece or the greek in london!

meanies everywhere!:'(

I know that if someone started complaining to me about taking their (or family members) photo, I would probably go on and take more right in their face!

But if that does happen, I try with all my might not to!
 
I'm just wondering at what point I am going to be arrested at customs entering UK with all my gear, already get searched at the airports more often than not and always get asked (interrogated) why i have so much kit, I find it all truly depressing and incredibly confusing watching what goes on for you all over there.
Quote from Uneducated RickAs for the photographers taking photos of planes in Greece, there was more to it that just the photos - use of scanners to listen on conversations, mud on their shoes despite the public access area being concrete, had notes of some numbers/info that wasn't visible from the open access area they claimed to be in
You are also right about the Greek aviation saga, they were sniffing round the Greek air force restricted area and got collared, theirs enthusiasm then theres dangerous obsession.

From what I can make of the article linked to above, Dad was a bit of an anus, bit like the UK laws and politicians and cops and....
 
the police have better things to do with their time than pander to the worries of a paranoid parent.
he apologised for distress and deleted the photos. if they did cause distress.
I'd counter sue if it was me
 
TerryO said:
I'm just wondering at what point I am going to be arrested at customs entering UK with all my gear, already get searched at the airports more often than not and always get asked (interrogated) why i have so much kit, I find it all truly depressing and incredibly confusing watching what goes on for you all over there.
Quote from Uneducated RickAs for the photographers taking photos of planes in Greece, there was more to it that just the photos - use of scanners to listen on conversations, mud on their shoes despite the public access area being concrete, had notes of some numbers/info that wasn't visible from the open access area they claimed to be in
You are also right about the Greek aviation saga, they were sniffing round the Greek air force restricted area and got collared, theirs enthusiasm then theres dangerous obsession.

From what I can make of the article linked to above, Dad was a bit of an anus, bit like the UK laws and politicians and cops and....
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I was advised to carry receipts for all my equipment the last time I flew to Spain several years ago. When I arrived back in the UK, the customs officer asked to have a look inside my camera bag and queried about the amount of gear I had, but he could see they weren't in a new condition so he waved me through after advising me about producing receipts. He was very courteous, mind you. However, I haven't been abroad since so I'm not sure if the regulations are stricter regarding photographic equipment.
 
This is one step too far frankly, he apologized and deleted the pictures it should have been left at that.

However I have to say that if i was on the tube and some man started taking pictures of my child I'd say something too. Its all well and good saying that its a public place and you should be able to take pictures of what you like but I disagree, if that was the case in order to protect our children and their images being used in any way that may or may not be acceptable we wouldn't be able to let them out of the front door. From the end of my garden path is a public place does that mean I should allow anyone to stand there snapping pictures of my family coming and going?
 
Zuba said:
This is one step too far frankly, he apologized and deleted the pictures it should have been left at that.

However I have to say that if i was on the tube and some man started taking pictures of my child I'd say something too. Its all well and good saying that its a public place and you should be able to take pictures of what you like but I disagree, if that was the case in order to protect our children and their images being used in any way that may or may not be acceptable we wouldn't be able to let them out of the front door.
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Not leaving the house for wanting to protect your children is what you should do if you think a camera is a threat to them - what about the hundreds of CCTV cameras taking video of your children every day?



Zuba said:
From the end of my garden path is a public place does that mean I should allow anyone to stand there snapping pictures of my family coming and going?
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If they did it continuously it woud be harassment, but as a one off where's the problem? If someone did take photos, then deleted when asked and then left would you still think its a problem?
 
Zuba said:
This is one step too far frankly, he apologized and deleted the pictures it should have been left at that.

However I have to say that if i was on the tube and some man started taking pictures of my child I'd say something too. Its all well and good saying that its a public place and you should be able to take pictures of what you like but I disagree, if that was the case in order to protect our children and their images being used in any way that may or may not be acceptable we wouldn't be able to let them out of the front door. From the end of my garden path is a public place does that mean I should allow anyone to stand there snapping pictures of my family coming and going?
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What are you protecting your children from?
 
Interesting that so many people are claiming it's an over reaction when they are reacting so strongly to one article on a photography based site! Not saying the article is false or incorrect, but also think there is quite clearly more to this story than is written above, again like the plane spotters in Greece.
I don't know a great deal about how the law works, but I am fairly sure they need a good case before it goes to court, and for it to get that far makes me think maybe it isn't such a simple story.
 
I think for me, it would all boil down to a quick judgement as to whether the person taking the photos looks genuine or not. I know it's impossible to tell what the person's intentions are but at the same time i don't think that anyone can, hand on heart, say that they'd be ok with 'anyone and everyone' taking photos specifically of their children. I'm afraid it would be a quick evaluation of the situation and then act (or not act) accordingly.
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
Not leaving the house for wanting to protect your children is what you should do if you think a camera is a threat to them - what about the hundreds of CCTV cameras taking video of your children every day?





If they did it continuously it woud be harassment, but as a one off where's the problem? If someone did take photos, then deleted when asked and then left would you still think its a problem?
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Its not the camera that is the threat its the person using it. I have a camera and I dont hide my children from it :lol: CCTV is used to protect people you cannot use it as a justification to any random person taking pictures of children. There would not be a problem if deleted when asked but I shouldn't have to ask, why would you want a picture of my child???

Furtim said:
What are you protecting your children from?
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From the use of my children's images in anyway that I have not approved myself before hand, whats wrong with that they are my children after all and I should have every right to decide what happens to any images of them and in fact, aside from model jobs which is all contracted and licensed, I purchase the copyright to any pictures of my children from any photographers I have used in the past and so I know where the images of my children are because I put them there.
 
Jimmy_Lemon said:
I don't know a great deal about how the law works, but I am fairly sure they need a good case before it goes to court, and for it to get that far makes me think maybe it isn't such a simple story.
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Indeed. The CPS is known in Law Enforcement circles as the Can't Prosecute Service. It is extremely doubtful that the case would go to court if the only evidence is a mother's complaint to the police.
 
Zuba said:
Its not the camera that is the threat its the person using it. I have a camera and I dont hide my children from it :lol: CCTV is used to protect people you cannot use it as a justification to any random person taking pictures of children. There would not be a problem if deleted when asked but I shouldn't have to ask, why would you want a picture of my child???
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But who knows where the cctv footage ends up? people do look at it!

I may want a picture of any child if they are doing something unusual or something that would make a good picture


Zuba said:
From the use of my children's images in anyway that I have not approved myself before hand, whats wrong with that they are my children after all and I should have every right to decide what happens to any images of them and in fact, aside from model jobs which is all contracted and licensed, I purchase the copyright to any pictures of my children from any photographers I have used in the past and so I know where the images of my children are because I put them there.
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The problem is you do NOT have every right to decide what happens to images of them - you just THINK you should
 
Zuba said:
: CCTV is used to protect people you cannot use it as a justification to any random person taking pictures of children.
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is protected me really well when my car was stolen :shrug: and protected me equally well when I got a parking fine for stopping for 2 minutes to unload :shrug:

Zuba said:
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From the use of my children's images in anyway that I have not approved myself before hand, whats wrong with that they are my children after all and I should have every right to decide what happens to any images of them
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not meaning this in any confrontational way - you don't. There is strong case law that this is not so.

Cheers
 
Tricky one but isn't it actually illegal to take pictures in the tube anyway as it's privte property and you have to ask London Underground for the ok?
 
Zuba said:
From the use of my children's images in anyway that I have not approved myself before hand, whats wrong with that they are my children after all and I should have every right to decide what happens to any images of them and in fact, aside from model jobs which is all contracted and licensed, I purchase the copyright to any pictures of my children from any photographers I have used in the past and so I know where the images of my children are because I put them there.
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In that case you should follow the lead of Michael Jackson and cover up their faces in public - it's either that or never go out.

The rights you are looking to enforce simply don't exist and can't possibly do so because they are totally impractical. It's the fact that you feel you need to control every image of your child that worries me the most, as I still don't understand what you are protecting the child from?
 
Zuba said:
Its not the camera that is the threat its the person using it. I have a camera and I dont hide my children from it :lol: CCTV is used to protect people you cannot use it as a justification to any random person taking pictures of children. There would not be a problem if deleted when asked but I shouldn't have to ask, why would you want a picture of my child???
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I was waiting for someone to bring up CCTV cameras that are used for "protection". What about all the cameras in and around London? Pictures taken at airports, etc. Do you really know where they end up and what they are being used for?

Zuba said:
From the use of my children's images in anyway that I have not approved myself before hand, whats wrong with that they are my children after all and I should have every right to decide what happens to any images of them and in fact, aside from model jobs which is all contracted and licensed, I purchase the copyright to any pictures of my children from any photographers I have used in the past and so I know where the images of my children are because I put them there.
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Completely disagree! You dont have every right....
 
Its my understanding that the fella was taking photos that included the girl not of the girl specifically.
I may have mis-read it but it seems to me he was taking the photos of the carriage, just like many others do.
The Mother objected to her daughters inclusion, the fella apologised and deleted. It was only after the event, when all concerned had left the carriage, the father decided to approach a policeman and make a complaint.
No evidence involved anywhere, just the word of two parents against a Greek bloke. Been to Greece and seen a stereotypical 53 year old? I don't mean to be in any way offensive or rude but, if he was the typical short in stature, over weight, swarthy type, the preconceived image would play against him straight off!
I've had friends pushed, harassed and one or two detained by police in UK and refusing to acknowledge their press cards. There is a bizarre culture growing against photographers and I think this is just another incident in a catalogue of crap that goes with having a camera in a public place there
 
a1ex2001 said:
Tricky one but isn't it actually illegal to take pictures in the tube anyway as it's privte property and you have to ask London Underground for the ok?
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You beat me to it, when I had to film on the underground we had a member of staff with us all the time and please don,t ask about the tripod :bonk::rules:
You have to have written permission to photograph on the underground, yes I know some on here will say use your mobile camera/phone but you know what I mean.:)
 
a1ex2001 said:
Tricky one but isn't it actually illegal to take pictures in the tube anyway as it's privte property and you have to ask London Underground for the ok?
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Yes, for commercial use you need a property release. Can't think of a tourist bothering to know or ask and if I remember correctly, there are no obvious signs anywhere to say no photos.
 
baffles me why anyone would delete the images :bang::thinking:

What images your honour..........i never did anything:D
if there was any proof of any doing or wrong doing then its all just been deleted and no one should/has got the right to ask you to delete the images (not even an officer) its proof of any crime commited or alleged and therefore should be kept and used as evidence in court if the whole farcical thing should ever reach the courts.

NEVER DELETE YOUR IMAGES:nono::nono::nono:
 
a1ex2001 said:
Tricky one but isn't it actually illegal to take pictures in the tube anyway as it's privte property and you have to ask London Underground for the ok?
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retired said:
You beat me to it, when I had to film on the underground we had a member of staff with us all the time and please don,t ask about the tripod :bonk::rules:
You have to have written permission to photograph on the underground, yes I know some on here will say use your mobile camera/phone but you know what I mean.:)
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You need permission for commercial photography on the underground only. Amateur photography is perfectly OK, but no tripods and definitely no flash.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Tricky one but isn't it actually illegal to take pictures in the tube anyway as it's privte property and you have to ask London Underground for the ok?
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non-commercial photography on the tube is allowed

Part 10 of rule Sa109 in the Working Reference Manual states:

"10.1 Passengers can take photographs with small cameras for private purposes, provided flashlights and/or tripods are not used no obstruction or inconvenience is caused to staff and/or passenger"
 
Zuba said:
Its not the camera that is the threat its the person using it. I have a camera and I dont hide my children from it :lol: CCTV is used to protect people you cannot use it as a justification to any random person taking pictures of children. There would not be a problem if deleted when asked but I shouldn't have to ask, why would you want a picture of my child???


From the use of my children's images in anyway that I have not approved myself before hand, whats wrong with that they are my children after all and I should have every right to decide what happens to any images of them and in fact, aside from model jobs which is all contracted and licensed, I purchase the copyright to any pictures of my children from any photographers I have used in the past and so I know where the images of my children are because I put them there.
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Zuba, I feel that you are being a little paranoid, I have 3 children before you ask. Just a couple of questions.

1/ Do you only use digital or do you use or have used Film?
2/ If you use/ used film did you get your films processed or did you process the films yourself?
3/ If you only use digital do you get your photographs printed?
4/ Are your children at school? and if they are or when they do go are you going to insist that at all school nativities or productions that no photography is allowed so that your child is photographed?


Once you have replied I will let you know why I have asked the questions.


one other thing, you must have spent an absolute small fortune on purchasing the copyright of all the pictures that Pro togs have taken of your children, I am curious does that include the school photographs of them?
 
So lucky me I was not arrested for similar situation....
at Strangers into Citizens event on Trafalgar Square I took a picture of a boy holding a transparent...as the transaprent was much bigger then the kid, I asked his mother/career if I can the picture of him and she said yes so I took 2 or 3 photos...minute later after I walked away she run after me asking whats the purpose of those photos, so I said they are just for my use. Straight away I said Im fine if she wants me to delete them and she said yes please, so I did...
Whould she be fine with me taking those pictures if I would be working for a newspaper ?? thats the question...
 
Zuba said:
... but I shouldn't have to ask, why would you want a picture of my child???
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Because sometimes children do things that make for a great shot.

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Was I wrong to shoot these? Both in public places.
 
bastic said:
So lucky me I was not arrested for similar situation....
at Strangers into Citizens event on Trafalgar Square I took a picture of a boy holding a transparent...as the transaprent was much bigger then the kid, I asked his mother/career if I can the picture of him and she said yes so I took 2 or 3 photos...minute later after I walked away she run after me asking whats the purpose of those photos, so I said they are just for my use. Straight away I said Im fine if she wants me to delete them and she said yes please, so I did...
Whould she be fine with me taking those pictures if I would be working for a newspaper ?? thats the question...
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I usually offer my business card and ask if she'd like a copy if they came out well.


Is it just me or is there something more to this story, like were the children teenage daughters and they were upskirt shots or something?
I once saw a guy with a point and shoot get chased out of a tube station as he was riding escalators holding his camera. I think the flash gave it away
 
Byker, I would have been uncomfortable taking that fountain shot. I'm not saying there's anything right or wrong with it, but I wouldn't have taken it.
 
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