Great news, thats one less a******e

Love it! there is nothing better than seeing a tosser getting exactly what he deserves.:woot:
 
boyfalldown said:
but I fail to see how its great.
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I can. An animal kills a human. Animals to me don't matter as much as people.

In saying that it's a live by the sword die by the sword sort of thing when you engage with creatures bigger/more dangerous than you and a case of darwin theory playing out. If you are stupid enough to do dangerous stuff, expect to die sooner.

But I'd have rather the elephant lost and he won.
 
ST4 said:
But I'd have rather the elephant lost and he won.
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Thing is they both lost though...he died. I'm betting the elephant won't survive either. But I agree animals aren't as important as people
 
boyfalldown said:
Thing is they both lost though...he died. I'm betting the elephant won't survive either. But I agree animals aren't as important as people
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See it as a win for both. He died doing something he loved and the elephant managed to kill the thing that took its life. If someone/thing was trying killing me, I'd like to think I could take the aggressor with me if I couldn't survive the attack...
 
boyfalldown said:
Thing is they both lost though...he died. I'm betting the elephant won't survive either. But I agree animals aren't as important as people
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I think there are lots of people that aren't as important as animals!
I'm not sure if being a hunter is enough to get you on that list but I can see how for some people it is.
 
You'd think that someone so supposedly knowledgeable would know better than to approach an elephant in musth.
Muppet.
 
ST4 said:
See it as a win for both. He died doing something he loved and the elephant managed to kill the thing that took its life. If someone/thing was trying killing me, I'd like to think I could take the aggressor with me if I couldn't survive the attack...
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I wonder if he shot the Elephant in the face
 
ST4 said:
In saying that it's a live by the sword die by the sword sort of thing
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Except one had a gun with the intention of killing an innocent animal and the other just wanted to go about his business chewing grass etc without even a stick .... one of the stupidest posts i've ever read on this forum, but not surprising.
 
The story happened almost two months ago. I guess thats time enough to make to second round on facebirk so people can be outraged. So for a balanced view,

Depends where this was and in what circumstances the game was hunted. In certain parts of africa, Sri Lanka and Thailand, the elephant is a menace, destroying crops, as it needs to eat around 100kg+ a day and will eat for upto 18 hours a day, most in the morning and early evening. In parts of South Africa, they sell hunting rights to animal bred on the reserve, to fund the rest of the work on the reserve, allowing for a number of other species to thrive. Usually those shooting rights are for older animals, or those that are deemed unneeded or overstocked. The animals are usually carefully selected, rather than randomly shot and this is a part of the conservation work in those areas.

If he was hunting then he wouldn't have been the one to take the fatal shot, that would have been the client as this would have been a valuable prize.

As this is a Daily Fail link, I took the time to read the circumstances. The company he worked for wrote:

...it appears that Ian and his client had been on the tracks of an elephant bull for approximately 5 hours when they decided to take a break and allow the client to rest. Feeling he was quite close to the elephant, Ian and his tracker Robert continued to follow the tracks in hopes of getting a look at the ivory as the client, stayed with the game scout to rest. Robert indicated the bull was in musk. They eventually caught up to the bull, spotting him at about 50-100 meters. The bull instantly turned and began a full charge. Ian and Robert began shouting in order to stop the charge. At very close range, Ian was able to get off one shot before the bull killed him. The scene was very graphic.​

So he attempted to halt the charge by shouting and at approx 10 yards took a shot to defend himself. Reading further reporting after the time, it appears that the number of elephants in the region had become too large and the area could not support them. This elephant was being checked for age and tusk size.


For those outraged about the deaths of elephants, can I suggest a donation to the anti poaching funds, perhaps:
http://www.cmsafaris.com/african-elephant-research/dande-anti-poaching.htm

or I can thoroughly recommend donating to the elephant nature park in Thailand, a sanctuary and rescue project who also have a small breeding program, trying to halt the decline of the elephant in northern Thailand. These animals dont perform tourist tricks like painting and football, instead a select few are used to educate those who spendtime with the animal caring for them and assisting their Mahoot who spends all day every day with them. At night they are free to roam the land as elephants dont sleep much (but come back in the morning for breakfast)
http://www.elephantnaturepark.org/
 
new2me said:
Except one had a gun with the intention of killing an innocent animal and the other just wanted to go about his business chewing grass etc without even a stick .... one of the stupidest posts i've ever read on this forum, but not surprising.
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Do you eat beef?

Gary Coyle said:
I wonder if he shot the Elephant in the face
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Head shots are the cleanest. I hope so.

BBR said:
IMO the lives of people who kill animals purely for fun are less important than the lives of their prey. I agree with the OP, one less a******e.
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I disagree.
 
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Byker28i said:
The story happened almost two months ago. I guess thats time enough to make to second round on facebirk so people can be outraged. So for a balanced view,

Depends where this was and in what circumstances the game was hunted. In certain parts of africa, Sri Lanka and Thailand, the elephant is a menace, destroying crops, as it needs to eat around 100kg+ a day and will eat for upto 18 hours a day, most in the morning and early evening. In parts of South Africa, they sell hunting rights to animal bred on the reserve, to fund the rest of the work on the reserve, allowing for a number of other species to thrive. Usually those shooting rights are for older animals, or those that are deemed unneeded or overstocked. The animals are usually carefully selected, rather than randomly shot and this is a part of the conservation work in those areas.

If he was hunting then he wouldn't have been the one to take the fatal shot, that would have been the client as this would have been a valuable prize.

As this is a Daily Fail link, I took the time to read the circumstances. The company he worked for wrote:

...it appears that Ian and his client had been on the tracks of an elephant bull for approximately 5 hours when they decided to take a break and allow the client to rest. Feeling he was quite close to the elephant, Ian and his tracker Robert continued to follow the tracks in hopes of getting a look at the ivory as the client, stayed with the game scout to rest. Robert indicated the bull was in musk. They eventually caught up to the bull, spotting him at about 50-100 meters. The bull instantly turned and began a full charge. Ian and Robert began shouting in order to stop the charge. At very close range, Ian was able to get off one shot before the bull killed him. The scene was very graphic.​

So he attempted to halt the charge by shouting and at approx 10 yards took a shot to defend himself. Reading further reporting after the time, it appears that the number of elephants in the region had become too large and the area could not support them. This elephant was being checked for age and tusk size.


For those outraged about the deaths of elephants, can I suggest a donation to the anti poaching funds, perhaps:
http://www.cmsafaris.com/african-elephant-research/dande-anti-poaching.htm

or I can thoroughly recommend donating to the elephant nature park in Thailand, a sanctuary and rescue project who also have a small breeding program, trying to halt the decline of the elephant in northern Thailand. These animals dont perform tourist tricks like painting and football, instead a select few are used to educate those who spendtime with the animal caring for them and assisting their Mahoot who spends all day every day with them. At night they are free to roam the land as elephants dont sleep much (but come back in the morning for breakfast)
http://www.elephantnaturepark.org/
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Now lets hear the elephants point of view on what happened :rolleyes:
Oh sorry i forgot, they are just classed as "game" and put here to provide pleasure for whoever wants to blow them to pieces.
Human attitude towards wildlife is sad at the best of times and any story where karma bites back is what goes round comes round in my book.
 
ST4 said:
Don't you want to try and at least answer the question?
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No, my eating habits have nothing to do with the thread.
 
Byker28i said:
The story happened almost two months ago. I guess thats time enough to make to second round on facebirk so people can be outraged. So for a balanced view,

Depends where this was and in what circumstances the game was hunted. In certain parts of africa, Sri Lanka and Thailand, the elephant is a menace, destroying crops, as it needs to eat around 100kg+ a day and will eat for upto 18 hours a day, most in the morning and early evening. In parts of South Africa, they sell hunting rights to animal bred on the reserve, to fund the rest of the work on the reserve, allowing for a number of other species to thrive. Usually those shooting rights are for older animals, or those that are deemed unneeded or overstocked. The animals are usually carefully selected, rather than randomly shot and this is a part of the conservation work in those areas.

If he was hunting then he wouldn't have been the one to take the fatal shot, that would have been the client as this would have been a valuable prize.

As this is a Daily Fail link, I took the time to read the circumstances. The company he worked for wrote:

...it appears that Ian and his client had been on the tracks of an elephant bull for approximately 5 hours when they decided to take a break and allow the client to rest. Feeling he was quite close to the elephant, Ian and his tracker Robert continued to follow the tracks in hopes of getting a look at the ivory as the client, stayed with the game scout to rest. Robert indicated the bull was in musk. They eventually caught up to the bull, spotting him at about 50-100 meters. The bull instantly turned and began a full charge. Ian and Robert began shouting in order to stop the charge. At very close range, Ian was able to get off one shot before the bull killed him. The scene was very graphic.​

So he attempted to halt the charge by shouting and at approx 10 yards took a shot to defend himself. Reading further reporting after the time, it appears that the number of elephants in the region had become too large and the area could not support them. This elephant was being checked for age and tusk size.


For those outraged about the deaths of elephants, can I suggest a donation to the anti poaching funds, perhaps:
http://www.cmsafaris.com/african-elephant-research/dande-anti-poaching.htm

or I can thoroughly recommend donating to the elephant nature park in Thailand, a sanctuary and rescue project who also have a small breeding program, trying to halt the decline of the elephant in northern Thailand. These animals dont perform tourist tricks like painting and football, instead a select few are used to educate those who spendtime with the animal caring for them and assisting their Mahoot who spends all day every day with them. At night they are free to roam the land as elephants dont sleep much (but come back in the morning for breakfast)
http://www.elephantnaturepark.org/
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An along the same lines for African Elephants.

http://www.elephantsanctuary.co.za/
 
Neil B said:
Now lets hear the elephants point of view on what happened :rolleyes:
Oh sorry i forgot, they are just classed as "game" and put here to provide pleasure for whoever wants to blow them to pieces.
Human attitude towards wildlife is sad at the best of times and any story where karma bites back is what goes round comes round in my book.
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Control of numbers is part of any conservation. To some yes they are classed as game, but can you blame the conservationists for accepting large sums of money for those willing to pay for a task that has to be done which allow the conservation work to be undertaken?

Sorry but I cannot congratulate any loss of life as some are on this thread.
 
God, I love irony:D:D:D:D
 
Keith W said:
Fantastic! I have 4 shirts & a pair of trousers that need an iron








:coat:
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Crack on, that's womens work. Do yer frocks while yer at ito_O:sneaky:
 
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People here are weird. In many threads I have seen forum members celebrate the death or maiming of a fellow human being. Look at the comments above, a man is killed and we get "great news", "excellent", "love it", "excellent news". Dunno what planet you're on guys, but you are not coming across as very civilsed there on your moral high ground. You celebrating someone being killed is just pathetic.
 
Ha, moral high ground?? The irony, I love it:D:D:D:D
 
Ricardodaforce said:
People here are weird. In many threads I have seen forum members celebrate the death or maiming of a fellow human being. Look at the comments above, a man is killed and we get "great news", "excellent", "love it", "excellent news". Dunno what planet you're on guys, but you are not coming across as very civilsed there on your moral high ground. You celebrating someone being killed is just pathetic.
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So if Hilter was in front of you and an elephant,and you had to shoot one :D
 
Same old s***e under a different thread title.
 
I see that he was described as a conservationist

Does that mean he kept them alive long enough for his clients to shoot.

Yep, the thread title is spot on.
 
[QUOTE="boyfalldown, animals aren't as important as people[/QUOTE]
There's the problem,it's that attitude that is the cause of all the planet's problems,Homo sapiens is the most savage ,brutal,arrogant,selfish plague on the planet,we share this world with all the other occupants,none is more important than another,each needs space to live,the SELF-important supposedely most intelligent species is out of control.
 
Gaz J said:
I see that he was described as a conservationist

Does that mean he kept them alive long enough for his clients to shoot.

Yep, the thread title is spot on.
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It so happened this person was a conservationist and prolific wildlife photographer.

I'd suggest you know very little about conservation. When species are protected, they will over populate (rather like humans) and culling is a necessary part of any conservation to keep the area in balance. The alternative is the destruction of the habitat and the loss through starvation of many animals.

So in the UK, we cull deer, pigeons in towns, rabbits, badgers to name but a few species. How many cows did we kill during the BSE crisis?
http://www.forestry.gov.uk/PDF/fcpn6.pdf/$FILE/fcpn6.pdf
http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...lands-and-wildife-say-scientists-8523088.html

In Australia they cull sharks and the cormorant

Didnt we eradicate predators from some islands to protect the birdlife?
 
How and why did he get killed?
He was there looking for "targets" for his wealthy clients to shoot.
He saw a "target" - a defenceless (he thought) baby bull elephant, and went to try to measure its tusks.
The animal responded to the "hunter" moving towards it and charged.
The only sad thing about this, is that the young elephant was shot by a .458 calibre weapon, and will have been badly injured.
This had absolutely nothing to do with conservation, and everything to do with rich, selfish people thinking that money gives them the right to do anything.
 
andy700 said:
How and why did he get killed?
He was there looking for "targets" for his wealthy clients to shoot.
He saw a "target" - a defenceless (he thought) baby bull elephant, and went to try to measure its tusks.
The animal responded to the "hunter" moving towards it and charged.
The only sad thing about this, is that the young elephant was shot by a .458 calibre weapon, and will have been badly injured.
This had absolutely nothing to do with conservation, and everything to do with rich, selfish people thinking that money gives them the right to do anything.
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So let's whoop cheer and celebrate a person's death! And that makes you superior to him how?
 
What's really interesting, from a psychology view, is the mob mentality of internet outrage, the ramping up of feelings. Is this part of social media now, the lack of thought, to escalate the outrage in a increasing effort to outdo how affected you are? There's probably a good paper in this somewhere
 
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