Grandchildren beseiged by uncontrolled dogs.

[hillwalkinggirl]

We took our 2 grandchildren aged 5 and 8 down to the beach today to go fishing in the rock pools, when they were besieged and knocked over by 14 dogs. The dog walker - it turned out she had a dog walking service had these 14 dogs running loose, and she was about 200 yds away across the beach. When my husband complained to her she gave him a load of abuse and said she would do as she liked, and anyway the kids should go on the tourist beach.

Needless to say, it is now in the hands of the police and the dog warden. They have had numerous complaints from all over the county and are now doing their best to catch her in the act.

I have no objection to people exercising their dogs when they are kept under control, but I am very concerned that some young child is going to get ripped to pieces by this pack of dogs. In fairness I think that most of the dogs today were just a little over excited, but last week one of the dogs in the pack, a Rockweiler attacked the dog of some other person walking their dog on the beach. This woman cannot know the character of the dogs as she only walks them for other people. Surely something can be done to prevent irresponsible people conducting this sort of business.:annoyed:

 

[OutLore]

Yeah - it annoys me when dog owners wont admit exactly what their dogs are - pack animals. They will return to this natural state at the slightest of things.

And what do the owners say? "He's never done anything like it before..." Well, no, because if he had he would have been put down.

There should be some kind of test to ensure that you are capable of handling the type and number of dogs you own or take responsibility for.

I hope your grandchildren are ok and have not been put off dogs or other animals.

 

[hillwalkinggirl]

Yeah - it annoys me when dog owners wont admit exactly what their dogs are - pack animals. They will return to this natural state at the slightest of things.

And what do the owners say? "He's never done anything like it before..." Well, no, because if he had he would have been put down.

There should be some kind of test to ensure that you are capable of handling the type and number of dogs you own or take responsibility for.

I hope your grandchildren are ok and have not been put off dogs or other animals.

Yes they are OK thank you, although their day was rather spoilt - the fishing trip had to be abandoned. I am contacting the owners (if I can track them down) to notify them of the actions of their dog walker. I am sure that they will not be too pleased to learn of the way that the person whom they are paying to look after their dogs is allowing them to roam in packs. They obviously thought they were being responsible paying someone to take their dogs for a walk whilst they were working. I don't think that she will be in business for long.

 

[Slipper-one]

Pet owners tend to think and treat their pets like children with scant regard to anyone else. Unfortunately dogs are pack animals ( Outlore) regardless of being with other dogs or their owners pack/family and there's a pecking order. When will they realise the danger dogs can pose to children and adults.


Remind her and the owners of this and any local by-laws regarding dogs.

The Control of Dogs Order (1992)

The Control of Dogs Order 1992 says that all dogs must wear a collar and an identity tag in a public place. The identity tag must show the name and address of the owner. You can be fined up to £5,000 for this offence. Your dog must still wear an identity tag even if it is micochipped.

Dangerous Dogs Act (1991)

Section one - pit bull terriers
If you own a pit bull terrier, or a similar kind of dog, you must keep the dog muzzled and on a lead in a public place. You must not let anybody under the age of 16 lead the dog. You must also have an exemption certificate from the index of Exempted Dogs.

If you do not keep to these laws:

* your dog may be destroyed
* you will be fined up to £5,000; and
* you will face up to six months in prison

Section three - all breeds
It is an offence for a dangerously out of control dog to be in a public place. We can take action before a dog has bitten anybody. If the dog acts in a way in which someone thinks they will be attacked, the offence has been committed. You could be fined up to £5,000 or face six months in prison.
Magistrates may also order that your dog is destroyed.

 

[Techno-Geek]

One thing that really bugs me is that these little boy's that think they are hard are walking around with a dog they cannot control

They should all be limited to a poodle until the age of 18

 

[tafflade]

Mod edit: Comments removed, don't start a conflict for the sake of it

One thing that really bugs me is that these little boy's that think they are hard are walking around with a dog they cannot control

They should all be limited to a poodle until the age of 18

you dont know any poodles do you? they were bred for hunting large animal such as deer and are one of the most stuborn breeds I've ever come across and I know plenty of people that have been bitten by them

 

[staffitaxi]

There are quite a lot of laws in place which now state that only so many dogs can be walked at once, it depends on the area in which you live. I think the maximum I've seen is 6 so this person is not only being extremely stupid but is breaking the law as well. I can't imagine it being possible to control anymore than 6 at a time, particularly with the stronger breeds.

I'm afraid I'm a great believer that all dogs should be walked on lead full stop.

 

[Agger]

Personally, I would of grabbed one of the dogs by the throat and held it until I got a decent answer from the walker. I used to "sort" dogs out in |Northen Ireland back in the days when we were doing street patrols, dogs had to be "sorted" as they gave away the position of the street patrol, always works for me, best way to stop a dog biting you, put your arm down it's throat:shrug:

I see the problem but doubt you'll get anything sorted as they'll have more rights than you do:rules:

When ever faced with adversity of this kind I always react "over the top" and with aggression, never fails for me

 

[NorthernNikon]

Well the purpose of the OP is blindingly apparent to me, opening up a thread with a post describing an event which has had an impact on her is a pretty typical way of starting what those of us who have half a brain would call a discussion.

Now the purpose either one of your responses is open for debate but I surmise that you possibly might have thought you were being funny with the first one and with the second you obviously have an axe to grind about something that's happened to you in another thread. Either way, you give the impression of a prize pillock.

 

[Slipper-one]

Personally, I would of grabbed one of the dogs by the throat and held it until I got a decent answer from the walker. I used to "sort" dogs out in |Northen Ireland back in the days when we were doing street patrols, dogs had to be "sorted" as they gave away the position of the street patrol, always works for me, best way to stop a dog biting you, put your arm down it's throat:shrug:

I see the problem but doubt you'll get anything sorted as they'll have more rights than you do:rules:

When ever faced with adversity of this kind I always react "over the top" and with aggression, never fails for me

Single dog maybe but 14, noway especially with 2 little people in tow.

"What? I ain't seen no kids! opps sorry"

 

[Techno-Geek]

Personally, I would of grabbed one of the dogs by the throat and held it until I got a decent answer from the walker. I used to "sort" dogs out in |Northen Ireland back in the days when we were doing street patrols, dogs had to be "sorted" as they gave away the position of the street patrol, always works for me, best way to stop a dog biting you, put your arm down it's throat:shrug:

Do that to a pit ball? on your own mate

I want a pet tiger me

But seriously, If you see anyone or you can't handle the dog. Sell it to someone how can

Always put a mussel on them when taking them out

 

[dod]

Right, thread cleaned. Hillwalkinggirl has raised a thread about something which has obviously been quite traumatic for her and her grandchildren. Please keep any remarks on topic and constructive.

 

[hillwalkinggirl]

Thanks to everyone who made useful and relevant comments. The update on this is that I was telephoned by the police and they have assured me that something is going to be done to stop this woman, as they have been tracking her over the county for the last 5 months and when they actually catch her in the act of taking all these dogs unleashed into a public place there will be big trouble. Another 3 people who were on the beach have also reported the fact that the dogs were dangerously out of control. I await further news.

 

[Agger]

Done it on Rottweilers before they became fashionable and much bigger "sorted" them with no problem:shrug:

As I understand the 2 little people were amonst the dogs so therefore to grab a dog would have been easy enough, I admit that my first instinct would be to look after the little people, however each situation is different, so it may have been feasible

Do that to a pit ball? on your own mate


Always put a mussel on them when taking them out

Single dog maybe but 14, noway especially with 2 little people in tow

 

[h4rri]

Thanks to everyone who made useful and relevant comments. The update on this is that I was telephoned by the police and they have assured me that something is going to be done to stop this woman, as they have been tracking her over the county for the last 5 months and when they actually catch her in the act of taking all these dogs unleashed into a public place there will be big trouble. Another 3 people who were on the beach have also reported the fact that the dogs were dangerously out of control. I await further news.

If they have yours and the eye witness testimony of 3 other people then that should be enough to raise a complaint. I'm sorry to say I think they are fobbing you off. They don't need to 'see' her doing it, that's what witnesses are for.

 

[maddog.mark]

hillwalkinggirl sorry to hear about your experience on the beach. Walking 14 dogs off lead is irresponsible at best imho:shake:

I agree with H4rri that witnesses are enough but suspect the issue is that the Police / Council do not know who she is so can't act until they catch her and require her details from her.

Was she likely to have come down the beach from a town, car park etc? If so was there CCTV. It's everywhere these days so Council or Police may as well use it to investigate your complaint.

The legislative bits have been covered so I won't repeat them, you might want to check for your Council Area whether they have any Dog Control Orders regarding Dogs on Leads or Numbers of Dogs that an individual can exercise. These orders are developed locally and will vary between Councils.

HTH

Mark

 

[KayJay]

If they have yours and the eye witness testimony of 3 other people then that should be enough to raise a complaint. I'm sorry to say I think they are fobbing you off. They don't need to 'see' her doing it, that's what witnesses are for.

Witnesses are not enough, there needs to be solid evidence. What's to say that these 4 people aren't just ganging up for some other motive?

Personally I'm not a big fan of dogs, especially aggressive dogs that people think can be completely domesticated.

 

[whitewash]

when im down on the beach on my kite buggy dogs often chase, this isnt a problem (other than the fact im a bit green in the flying department and im not 100% in control sometimes- and for that reason i try to keep away from people) as long as they keep out of my way, i try to keep out of the way of them, but bloody dog walkers let there dogs run around, get close to me and run over my lines. unfortunately it would be detrimental to the sport if the dog got too close and got caught by a line under power as this would cut them and probably lead the local council to ban us from the beach.


its very annoying when flying as i dont have a free arm to shoo a dog away with!

im not a great lover of dogs but i dont mind them, i was attacked by a neighbours dog as a kid and this means im not keen on them, and the whole "its harmless it wont hurt you" response of some dog walkers i find rediculous, how the hell am i supposed to know that........! the fact is that any large dog thats barking and jumping up is to an outsider (someone who has no prior knowledge of the animal) aggressive and as such a threat and if it comes too close to me with this aggresive behaiviour is lining itself up for a very heavy punch on the nose if required! the main thing i think is that if a dog is aggressive in what is a public place it should be kept on a leash so as not to disturb/frighten/attack/otherwise hinder other users of this public space

 

[Slipper-one]

Jif lemon in the snout/eyes is safer than punching. Or some Ex-Lax Senna chocolate, then see how loved they are when it takes effect.

 

[inaneredstripe]

sadly, SOME dog owners are idiots. packs of dogs DO attack adults and children.
i would have reported it to the police too.14 dogs running loose is beyond belief.
i would never let my two dogs get more than ten feet from me on a beach with kids on it.
may i apologise on behalf of all responsible dog owners.

 

[hillwalkinggirl]

sadly, SOME dog owners are idiots. packs of dogs DO attack adults and children.
i would have reported it to the police too.14 dogs running loose is beyond belief.
i would never let my two dogs get more than ten feet from me on a beach with kids on it.
may i apologise on behalf of all responsible dog owners.

The woman in question was not the dog owner but a woman who was charging owners (who presumably were working) to take their much loved animals for a recreational walk. I am trying to identify who owns these dogs so that I can warn them about the care their dogs are getting. I imagine that the owners of these dogs would be horrified to find out what this woman is actually doing.

We also used to have a much loved dog and always kept it under control, and we feel sorry for responsible dog owners who are going to lose the right of enjoyment for their dogs, due to this stupid, greedy womans actions. Already one of the beaches that she has been frequenting have banned all dogs.