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So please can we all just forgive our MP's as they just made a mistake!... They simply forgot or didn't understand the rules regarding their expenses....so get over it - Haven't we all claimed £1000,s by accident? Just let them get back to their jobs and running the country! and let the people of this country stop complaining about our poor overworked politicians :love:
 
Their damned arrogance is breathtaking.
 
What they did was not illegal.

The system is flawed.

We have to blame whoever is in charge of the system.

That is Gordon I believe, he took the job and the buck stops with him I'm afraid.

Although it would not matter who was in charge the same things would happen.

Which is why a lot of people are more interested in katie/peter than politics lol
 
jolsterj said:
What they did was not illegal.

The system is flawed.

We have to blame whoever is in charge of the system.

That is Gordon I believe, he took the job and the buck stops with him I'm afraid.

Although it would not matter who was in charge the same things would happen.

Which is why a lot of people are more interested in katie/peter than politics lol
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All the talk of being within the rules and the system being inadequate is a smokescreen.
These people lack integrity.
Any honest person is well aware that when they seek to be reimbursed for expenditure they have a duty not to spend their employer's money on anything other than that strictly necessary to enable them to carry out their duties.
 
arclight said:
Any honest person is well aware that when they seek to be reimbursed for expenditure they have a duty not to spend their employer's money on anything other than that strictly necessary to enable them to carry out their duties.
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Exactly. How can they say that it was an oversight charging 2 adult movies to the tax payer? Even the idea that they were "meant to pay it back" is still disgusting. They earn enough money to pay the £10 or whatever it was out of their own bank account, so why would they have to claim it as an expense and "pay it back"?

Also, the fact they are able to claim this "second home" allowance is a disgrace. How many people commute into London every day? Do they get a second home allowance... No they dont!

If Gordon Brown thinks its all a mistake or they forgot the laws on expenses, then he really is as stupid and ignorant as can possibly be!
 
jolsterj said:
What they did was not illegal.

The system is flawed.

We have to blame whoever is in charge of the system.

That is Gordon I believe, he took the job and the buck stops with him I'm afraid.

Although it would not matter who was in charge the same things would happen.

Which is why a lot of people are more interested in katie/peter than politics lol
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[S1]I agree[/S1]
 
"My" MP, Alan Duncan currently has most of his website "under construction". Running for the hills, methinks.

Paying our MPs "properly" would be the solution, of course, but hardly popular in the current climate.

How many of us self-employed types declare a percentage for the personal use of our gear?
 
MJ Stebbings said:
Exactly. How can they say that it was an oversight charging 2 adult movies to the tax payer? Even the idea that they were "meant to pay it back" is still disgusting. They earn enough money to pay the £10 or whatever it was out of their own bank account, so why would they have to claim it as an expense and "pay it back"?

Also, the fact they are able to claim this "second home" allowance is a disgrace. How many people commute into London every day? Do they get a second home allowance... No they dont!

If Gordon Brown thinks its all a mistake or they forgot the laws on expenses, then he really is as stupid and ignorant as can possibly be!
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Most people who commute to London do not have a responsibility to their constituents to be representitive in two places and chose to live outside of London.

However the amount of extra stuff MPs can stick on their expenses is a joke, the basic idea is neccessity but they're taking the mickey nowardays
 
jolsterj said:
We have to blame whoever is in charge of the system.

That is Gordon I believe, he took the job and the buck stops with him I'm afraid.
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The person who is responsible for this system as well as the general decline in standards and values within the House is Gorbals Mick. He should be locked in the tower.


arclight said:
Their damned arrogance is breathtaking.
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Their total contempt for the electorate is breathtaking.


The reputation of the House of Commons will take decades to recover from this mess. We need something drastic to fix things. Sadly, I doubt we'll have a military coup :shrug: And before anyone accuses me of being over-dramatic, I view this corrupt government as no better than that of a banana-republic (remember those - 50s, 60s ?). We need a benign dictator to re-establish some stability and traditional values. And to lock up Blair and Brown. The current crop of politicians aren't capable of anything more than fudging, fussing and fumbling. We need positive action.
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
Most people who commute to London do not have a responsibility to their constituents to be representitive in two places and chose to live outside of London.

However the amount of extra stuff MPs can stick on their expenses is a joke, the basic idea is neccessity but they're taking the mickey nowardays
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And they need two homes for this that WE should pay for, thats total arse mate, sorry!
 
jolsterj said:
What they did was not illegal.

The system is flawed.

We have to blame whoever is in charge of the system.

That is Gordon I believe, he took the job and the buck stops with him I'm afraid.

Although it would not matter who was in charge the same things would happen.

Which is why a lot of people are more interested in katie/peter than politics lol
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actually it was outside of the rules - the first of which state they must be 'above repproach'
 
MJ Stebbings said:
And they need two homes for this that WE should pay for, thats total arse mate, sorry!
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How is an MP meant to be abe to be inLondon and in their own constituency without some form of residence in both areas?

A stipend should be given to cover costs of staying in London when required, but not the amount and ease that they get currently
 
Convert part of the House of Commons into basic accomodation (similar to Travel Lodge in size and quality).

Need to stay overnight? Go and get a room key.

Scrap all of their second home allowances and make this free.



Steve.
 
Profiteering is the problem. The idea of expenses is a good one, MPs work hard (mostly) and travel a lot and should be allowed to claim expenses. Unfortunately some of them seem to be taking the system for all they can get, just because they are 'not breaking any rules' doesn't make it right. These people are voted there by us to make the laws and run the country on our behalf, they should be totally accountable and scrupulously honest.
 
2blue4u said:
The person who is responsible for this system as well as the general decline in standards and values within the House is Gorbals Mick. He should be locked in the tower.


Their total contempt for the electorate is breathtaking.


The reputation of the House of Commons will take decades to recover from this mess. We need something drastic to fix things. Sadly, I doubt we'll have a military coup :shrug: And before anyone accuses me of being over-dramatic, I view this corrupt government as no better than that of a banana-republic (remember those - 50s, 60s ?). We need a benign dictator to re-establish some stability and traditional values. And to lock up Blair and Brown. The current crop of politicians aren't capable of anything more than fudging, fussing and fumbling. We need positive action.
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I agree with all that. The damage done is immense and it's a cross party thing. It has nothing to do with politics, but those people involved (and it's most of them) are where they are purely because there is damned good money to be made. They are primarily supposed to be where they are to look after our interests but that takes a back seat.

At one time there were men and women of principle in parliament who stood out as individuals. Now they are all nondescript clones.

I saw Gorbals Mick on TV last night. Still more interested in keeping secrets than clearing up the mess.
I think he is an embarassment. He has managed to hold down that job because he has (until now) succeeded in protecting MP's from prying eyes thereby leaving them to keep their snouts in the trough.

I don't see any practical solution. There are theoretical answers, but no means of making change.

Folk will become less and less inclined to vote
 
Steve Smith said:
Convert part of the House of Commons into basic accomodation (similar to Travel Lodge in size and quality).

Need to stay overnight? Go and get a room key.

Scrap all of their second home allowances and make this free.



Steve.
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:clap::clap:

I thought that the government [or tax payer] should buy a tower block and convert like a hotel with a restaurant underneath.

They could stay there.

If they want to spend 300 quid on a meal they are quite welcome but not at our expense.

The basic meals they can get at the restaurant at basic prices.


why on earth they should be able to claim 500 per month for food is staggering.
i wish i could afford 500 a month on food.
 
Splog said:
Just let them get back to their jobs and running the country!
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I believe you mis-spelled ruining :D

IMO expenses should be nothing more than a way of making sure you don't end up out of pocket for doing you job, and nothing more than that. God, if I claim so much as 10p over what's allowed I get bounced from the highest building for it.

I'm now leaving this discussion before a mod shuts the party down for discussing politics :lol:
 
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im fairly sure that if i was to make a 'genuine' mistake and claim for something through company expenses which shouldnt have been, i would be hauled infront of the 'guv and id have a nice official warning to my name.


i doubt any of these were mistakes tbh.

they should only be able to claim for items which are genuinely required to carry out the job, this to me doesnt include gardeners, swimming pool boilers, furniture for houses, or meals out, and any other non essential house work.

as a representative of a constituency you should be squeeky clean.
 
Each time one of them appeared on telly with excuses for their behaviour I could not help thinking of the Little Britain sketch where David Walliams played the MP stood outside his home, wife by his side, explaining to the media how part of his body accidentally penetrated the other man when he was caught with with his pants down :lol:
 
ChrisMClark said:
I believe you mis-spelled ruining :D
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I believe I did... :lol:

Galaxy66 said:
Each time one of them appeared on telly with excuses for their behaviour I could not help thinking of the Little Britain sketch where David Walliams played the MP stood outside his home, wife by his side, explaining to the media how part of his body accidentally penetrated the other man when he was caught with with his pants down :lol:
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:clap:..... :lol:
 
As far as I'm concerned an expense should be claimed when the person requires that product or service in order to conduct their job!

HOW, JUST HOW, can compost, tampons, bath plugs, toilet seats, moats being drained etc etc.

It's got nothing to do with their job as an MP - and if we claimed those things on our expenses in ordinary jobs, we'd be sacked, regardless of the rules.
 
Galaxy66 said:
Each time one of them appeared on telly with excuses for their behaviour I could not help thinking of the Little Britain sketch where David Walliams played the MP stood outside his home, wife by his side, explaining to the media how part of his body accidentally penetrated the other man when he was caught with with his pants down :lol:
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There is a lot of material now available for a new Yes Minister series.
Looks like all the rats are trying to disappear down their bolt holes now.

On a more serious note. Why do MP's need to go to the H of C all the time.
What is wrong with video conferencing, electronic voting etc.
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
How is an MP meant to be abe to be inLondon and in their own constituency without some form of residence in both areas?

A stipend should be given to cover costs of staying in London when required, but not the amount and ease that they get currently
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Commute and hotel stays in STANDARD hotels like a premier Inn?
I'm sure that they could strike up a deal with a local hotel for cheaper rates, charged directly to the fee's commission instead of having to mess around.

5 sinn fein MPs have claimed £500,000 in the last 5 years even though they refuse to go to parliment.....thats £20,000 a year each.....what the hell have they spent that on?!?
 
I think it is only a matter of time before criminal charges are brought against an MP, they are now going to publish details of all expenses claims in the last four years.
 
Galaxy66 said:
I think it is only a matter of time before criminal charges are brought against an MP, they are now going to publish details of all expenses claims in the last four years.
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Be interesting to see how transparent it is. Bear in mind it was intended to publish in July minus the 2nd home details which would have prevented us discovering all the "home flipping" mullarkey.

If a benefit cheat offered to pay back the money it would be accepted, but he'd still go to jail.
 
CaptainPenguin said:
I am doing my expenses today and hope my boss will ok the

New hedge trimmers
Cost of clipping the dog
Canon EOS 40D

Oh sorry my boss is not Gordon Brown
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Its a shame, i wish we all had bosses like Gordon Brown, we could claim everything....although the country and every company run by a brown-esque leader would go bust
 
all joking aside this absolutely stinks, Jeremy Vine was discussing it on radio 2 this afternoon, some of the claims are unbelievable £16,000 for a mortgage paid off 2 years ago, £240,000 for a husband and wife, both MPs when they claimed for 2 separate London 2nd homes, something they've been doing for 8-9 years, that's 2 million quid of OUR money.

A spokesman on R2 said they haven't broken the law so won't be facing any charges, they haven't broken the law because it was written in such a way that they had Carte Blanche to claim for almost anything they wanted.

Cleaning a bloody moat out, a guy from the US said a senator mis-used his franking machine to the tune of $23,000 for personal mail, he was found guilty and sentenced to 18 months in Jail.

I'm absolutely livid about this, 2 MPs, one for Luton north and one for Luton south, one claimed £72,000 one claimed £4,000 how on earth can one need almost 20x the expenses of the other
 
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Some have been claiming the maximum £100 per week for their main and 2nd homes.
Because you have two houses does not mean you can eat 6 meals per day.

They all trot out the "within rules" excuse.
That does not gel with "claims should be above reproach and that members should avoid purchases which could be seen as extravagant or luxurious.

In my opinion what we have in politicians is a group of people who trade in deceit. It appears to have become a way of life for them.
 
my main problems with it is there chance to earn more than my wage in expenses alone. But there isnt a political group who will fix the problem!! there isnt anything you can do about it.

When they do fix it, they will undoubtedly open up another loophole to extract the same money or more!!
 
wack61 said:
£240,000 for a husband and wife, both MPs when they claimed for 2 separate London 2nd homes, something they've been doing for 8-9 years, that's 2 million quid of OUR money.
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That's not quite right. they have two homes, one in London and one outside I believe. They are both MPs. One claims for the London one as a second home, one claims for the other one as a second home. So they don't have a first home at all, just two second homes.

That's a duplication of the £23K allowance being claimed so 10 years would be £230K.

It stinks, there is no doubt about that.

What is interesting is that they say the fees office suggested this to them as a way of getting more money.

This shows that the fees office isn't any sort of check on the system but a cosy way of maximising income for MPs.

That is appalling, and only matched by the stupidity/greed/lack of moral code of MPs who went along with it thinking it was the right thing to do.
 
Latest one to break is the Justice Minister (justice ???).
Claimed £66,827 over 3 years for his 2nd home. This included £2500 for a home cinema system.
A massage chair £?

£75 for a court summons for his non payment of Council Tax.

What an outrage.
 
I see the Justice Minister has now resigned. That's a very easy way out. He has, in essence, stolen from the country's coffers and he gets to resign as opposed to being charged with theft.

I have a problem with all these MPs claiming there's the "system is at fault". If these people had a ounce of dignity or honesty, they taking advantage of the system and wouldn't be making these expense claims in the first place! The justice minister has a salary of £95,617. How greedy can these people get? All of them. They're all as bad as each other. Scum bags, every last one of them.
 
trapper501 said:
That's not quite right. they have two homes, one in London and one outside I believe. They are both MPs. One claims for the London one as a second home, one claims for the other one as a second home. So they don't have a first home at all, just two second homes.

That's a duplication of the £23K allowance being claimed so 10 years would be £230K.

It stinks, there is no doubt about that.

What is interesting is that they say the fees office suggested this to them as a way of getting more money.

This shows that the fees office isn't any sort of check on the system but a cosy way of maximising income for MPs.

That is appalling, and only matched by the stupidity/greed/lack of moral code of MPs who went along with it thinking it was the right thing to do.
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I agree it is appalling but what it more so is the fact they have a name for it ....''double dipping''......which means it more than likely goes on more than we are being told.
 
welly said:
I see the Justice Minister has now resigned. That's a very easy way out. He has, in essence, stolen from the country's coffers and he gets to resign as opposed to being charged with theft......etc.

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One of the things that gink claimed for was £75 court summons charge for non payment of Council Tax.

John O'connor, former Chief of the Met Flying Squad was on the radio this morning.
He said that a police criminal enquiry was warranted to see if any of them should be charged with "Misconduct whilst holding public office".
He also said that MP's car mileage claims was an area yet to be examined and that anyone found faking that should be on a fraud charge.
 
I was listening to Jeremy Vine again today, they were discussing alternatives to the current system when a caller said the system doesn't need changing, it's the administrators that need changing which is correct, the money is to enable them to do their parliamentary duties and should be reasonable and beyond reproach.

None of these items would be allowed if the rules had been adhered to.

They are supposed to be "The Right Honorable" which means they occupy the moral high ground, how on earth can they stand up in front of any group and demand they accept a 3% pay rise when they've been troughing like pigs
 
It would seem that the present expenses system dates back until 1979, but was "relaxed" in 2004 (perhaps to stop them all grunting for big salary rises).

Another one has surfaced. David Chaytor MP admits to an "unforgivable error". Forgot he had finished paying his mortgage and continued to claim interest.

His mortgage was paid off 5 years ago and he has since claimed £13,000 in interest.

How do you forget paying off your mortgage?
He must think all our heads zip up the back or something.
 
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