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Woot! Going shooting tomorrow, Got ol Birtha out he gun Cabinet, gave her a dusting and good oiling. We be living off Rabbit, squirrel pigeon and the odd pheasent all week, just need some mayo. Always wanted to take down a deer, but the weapons we use are not powerful enough, plus its out of season so deffinatly not going to go down that road. I can honestly say the wife will not be best pleased if i have to drag rudolphs bloody carcass off the roofrack and accross the estate passed the screaming kids just to turn our kitchen into a scene from saw... on the plus side veal for a month.
 
Erm, veal is cow.........and the pheasant shooting season ended on the 1st of Feb.
 
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do not forget your camera.. maybe some good shots in there for you and good hunting.. must finds another butcher who sells rabbit
 
wisemen said:
Erm, veal is cow.........and the pheasant shooting season ended on the 1st of Feb.
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sorry i meant venison, been a long day. it dont matter none of it is in season and i cant shoot it with my rifle class anyway just wishfull thinking. Just the vermin for the moment. Rabbit makes a good pie and stew and squirrel is ok however you need quite afew of them to make a meal. I may take the camera i feel its going to mainly be rabbit. I can't stand gutting them, the smell is terrible.
 
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veal is cow calf, venison is deer.

Although in my local butcher its £1,456 for 364lb of venison. I said to myself thats two dear.
 
now i didnt know that. may have to upgrade my rifle licence and wait out until season opens again.
 
archamedes said:
i thought veal was deer or is it venisan? it dont matter none of it is in season and i cant shoot it with my rifle class anyway just wishfull thinking. Just the vermin for the moment. Rabbit makes a good pie and stew and squirrel is ok however you need quite afew of them to make a meal. I may take the camera i feel its going to mainly be rabbit. I can't stand gutting them, the smell is terrible.
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If the smell is terrible then you're doing something wrong. A headshot rabbit paunched carefully shouldn't smell bad at all. :shrug:
 
Islander said:
If the smell is terrible then you're doing something wrong. A headshot rabbit paunched carefully shouldn't smell bad at all. :shrug:
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Yup, couldn't agree more.
 
Thirded, and I doubt that I'm the only one wondering whether some people should be let loose on live animals.
 
shooting a rabbit in the head doesn't smell i clearly stated you have to GUT it. you dont just throw it on the bbq or go barbarian and start chewing into it while its still warm. As soon as you open up the jacket you are hit with a wall of stench and that is unavoidable no matter how you shoot a rabbit. Even the pro pest controllers say that "if you are gonna take home a rabbit to eat, make sure you don't open it up inside your house."
 
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Not if you gut it properly and leave the stomach and guts (ie paunch) intact it shouldn't. You must be piercing the lining somehow.
 
archamedes said:
shooting a rabbit in the head doesn't smell i clearly stated you have to GUT it. you dont just throw it on the bbq or go barbarian and start chewing into it while its still warm. As soon as you open up the jacket you are hit with a wall of stench and that is unavoidable no matter how you shoot a rabbit. Even the pro pest controllers say that "if you are gonna take home a rabbit to eat, make sure you don't open it up inside your house."
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Either you're gut shooting them, you're puncturing the guts when you paunch them or you're leaving them too long. I've paunched enough rabbits in my time to know that they don't smell that much if they're done correctly.
 
i dont think i have done that, i know someone that did by accident, but i still find there is a smell, i must have a super sensitive nose
 
With Rabbits I prefer o take a Ferret with me, or just set traps... Much easier as there is less chance of contaminating the meat... Not tried Squirrel, but my mate and I are going on an ex soon so I may have to experiment!
 
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now i didnt know that. may have to upgrade my rifle licence and wait out until season opens again.
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:shrug: :suspect: Is this person for real ???

Sounds like the sort of person we do not want shooting here.

Paunching rabbits do not stink, and for someone who shoots who deos not know the difference between venison and veal :bang: the mind boggles.:eek:
 
+1
 
Can I ask - are you in the UK/ hunting in the UK?
 
People like you (op) concern me.

Your Firearms are not weapons, weapons are used for hurting people.

So many concerning statements in your post.

Hopefully your shooting on private land that you have the land owners permission to be on.
 
Briony said:
:shrug: :suspect: Is this person for real ???

Sounds like the sort of person we do not want shooting here.

Paunching rabbits do not stink, and for someone who shoots who deos not know the difference between venison and veal :bang: the mind boggles.:eek:
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I was tempted to comment on that but decided to refrain.

Rifle licence? I've never heard an FAC called that.

Upgrade? Erm, No. Variation maybe...
 
Islander said:
I was tempted to comment on that but decided to refrain.

Rifle licence? I've never heard an FAC called that.

Upgrade? Erm, No. Variation maybe...
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All makes for worrying reading doesn't it...

Perhaps you could see having your licence made 'open' as an 'upgrade'. But this doesn't have an effect on your licensed quarry or any other conditions on your ticket than where you can shoot.
 
lets all attack me now and gang up on me when i mistook one thing and joked about another. People like me concern you? right let me just set the record straight because now you lot seem to be feeding off each others attack posts and it is starting to snowball against me and none of you know me.

I have been shooting for over 12 years now, from simple target shooting at gun clubs to pest control. I got mixed up with the veal and venison as i was tired when writing that post so it was purely a typo, My dad usually was the one that would gut the rabbits and the only time i did it on my own was like 10 years ago and i assume i did it wrong so i don't deal with that anymore. And no I don't go out with the idea of shooting random animals like deer cows and the odd homeless guy (which i assume the next comment would have been the way you lot are going on.) I said about upgrading the licence and taking down a deer as a light hearted joke in reply to CW318i's post about how much the meat was worth. I'm sorry you people don't have a sense of humor, but i am a responsible air weapon owner, always use safety and have never broken the law or had any accidents while holding a weapon. When i'm not out shooting on land that i DO have permission to be on as the land owner is an old family friend I also marshall paintball events and am involved in many tournaments and paintball games to which I have 2 trophies.

For you information today was a quiet hunt, all we did was zero in our weapons, there was nothing about, in fact the only thing we did see was a pheasant and a monkjack deer, to which none of us entertained the idea of taking shots at because even with land owners permission and being miles way from any civilization the idea of a £2000 fine and 6 months inside for shooting quarry outside season time was not worth the risk. So i guess i do know what im doing and i'm not just some mook off the street that decided to go all rambo in the country side
 
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You have an air rifle?

Why would you have mentioned taking pheasant? Air guns are not suitable for pheasant. If it's sub 12 ft/lb then there's no licence...

Oh and it's muntjac ;)
 
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You have an air rifle?

Why would you have mentioned taking pheasant? Air guns are not suitable for pheasant. If it's sub 12 ft/lb then there's no licence...

Oh and it's muntjac ;)
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oh wow so now i have explained myself and made myself clear you now decide to attack my spelling. Go you.
 
The spelling was a minor point hence the smiley to lighten it. The idea of shooting a pheasant with an air rifle gives me a lot more concern.
 
First time I've ever heard a pellet gun being called "ol Birtha".

Your deer comment was in your original post, not in a reply. I do get concerned about the thought of a few of you running about with airguns though, you're not Ashley Cole by any chance are you?
 
I am sorry if you feel you are being got at but look at your explanation, firstly you go on about being a responsible gun owner and then you talk about paint balling. There is a place for humour and when you talk about taking bertha out of a gun cabinet without any explanation of what bertha is then maybe you can see why people have a sense of humour failure.

I for one also fail to see what paint balling has to do with hunting.
 
I suspect the reason so many people have found your posts alarming is the wording and in some situation incorrectness of some elements.

You said in your opening post you would be living off pheasant (amongst other things) for the next week, this implies shooting them out of season.

Comments even made in jest about 'dragging Rudolph's bloody caracas through the kitchen' are only really ever likely to attract negative responses or antagonise. Rudolph was also a reindeer and unless your heading down your local zoo (joke), your unlikely to find one in the UK.

Hopefully as your a responsible shooter you are aware how bad a press shooting often gets, many people judge shooting by the very limited exposure they get to it (being a fairly unusual hobby/sport), so if this is the first instance of a shooter they have come across hopefully you can see how it might give the wrong impression of the sport over all.

This is why i made my comment regarding my concerns over you/your post.

Incase your interested, Muntjac don't have a closed season. However as you rightly point out, an airgun is not suitable to shoot them (.220+ calibre with 50g @ 1000ftlb min). I would also suggest you be very cautious when shooting pheasants in the head with an air rifle, it is not really enough 'gun' for the job or very sporting, but this is your choice, legally its your call.

If your interested in Deer stalking or rifle shooting in general i would suggest attending a DSC1 course and/or finding a local rifle club. Shooting a rifle is very different to an air rifle, and takes lots of care especially these days to ensure safe shots.

I apologise if my comment insulted you, but your comments concerned me.
 
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^^^ Very well put Sir. I'm in full agreement with all that you have said.
 
yes i was joking with a lot of my wording as you can clearly tell, and i was using paintballing as an example because it is still using a firearm that can cause a lot of damage if used in the wrong hands, I was trying to demonstrate that throughout my adult life I have a lot of dealing with weapons both for hunting/pest control and for fun. Andand yes the whole rudolph thing, anyone could see that i was using humor throughout that paragraph and not meant seriously as you said. True i really probably should have brought this thread up a little bit more seriously without the jokes but I am a jokey person its the way i am. I do not like the idiots that go rogue with rifles and i appreciate the bad press everyone else gets when someone does something stupid so i am with you all the way there. I myself had to report some people who I saw using rifles on the land we use because they were shooting over the public highway and towards houses, they got dealt with seriously.

Also regarding pheasant shooting, it is illegal to shoot them out of season time 1st feb til october no excuses there, however in season time, yes it is considered a game bird and ideally shot at with a shotgun, however if you have land owners permission and your shooting range is very close (within 50 yds) then there actually isn't any law against it
http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/127013-is-pheasant-shooting-with-air-rilfe-legal/
 
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I can't work out if you're baiting or not, which is the only reason this thread's still open.

But, if you genuinely had any significant experience in shooting and/or firearms you'd know how sensitive a subject it is. The crass way you've presented yourself here does you, nor genuine shooters, no favours at all.
 
Your joking is not clear in my opinion and judging from other peoples responses.
Like you say, maybe don't open with a post containing jokes about dragging dead animals around ;)

50 yards is also not close range for a 12ftlb air rifle, that is the maximum effective range. If i had to shoot a pheasant with an airgun i would look at halving that range. The shapes of their skull make their heads very tough indeed and well designed to deflect pellets (probably after years of evolution of flying into things, they are not the brightest creature on earth and as such a very easy stalk)
 
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yes i was joking with a lot of my wording as you can clearly tell, and i was using paintballing as an example because it is still using a firearm that can cause a lot of damage if used in the wrong hands, I was trying to demonstrate that throughout my adult life I have a lot of dealing with weapons both for hunting/pest control and for fun. Andand yes the whole rudolph thing, anyone could see that i was using humor throughout that paragraph and not meant seriously as you said. True i really probably should have brought this thread up a little bit more seriously without the jokes but I am a jokey person its the way i am. I do not like the idiots that go rogue with rifles and i appreciate the bad press everyone else gets when someone does something stupid so i am with you all the way there. I myself had to report some people who I saw using rifles on the land we use because they were shooting over the public highway and towards houses, they got dealt with seriously.

Also regarding pheasant shooting, it is illegal to shoot them out of season time 1st feb til october no excuses there, however in season time, yes it is considered a game bird and ideally shot at with a shotgun, however if you have land owners permission and your shooting range is very close (within 50 yds) then there actually isn't any law against it
http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/127013-is-pheasant-shooting-with-air-rilfe-legal/
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Sorry, having read the whole thread, I to can not see the humour in your posts, you are still calling them weapons, they are not they are firearms, pure and simple.

As others have said, all in all a little concerning
 
Proper funny thread, well done TP for letting this run.

Had me in stiches :)
 
Never understood how anyone can get pleasure from killing for fun :shake:
 
Splog said:
Never understood how anyone can get pleasure from killing for fun :shake:
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pest control there is a difference. All can be taken home and eaten, not just shooting for sport

And now you are slamming me for calling them weapons and not firearms. sorry but you really are starting to get a bit picky now, a firearm is a weapon is it not? or am i confused with knives? Oh and the post you highlited I did actually call both air rifles and paintball guns firearms, even though technically unless they are over 12ft pound they then fall into the firearm category in which you need a licence
 
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archamedes said:
pest control there is a difference. All can be taken home and eaten, not just shooting for sport

And now you are slamming me for calling them weapons and not firearms. sorry but you really are starting to get a bit picky now, a firearm is a weapon is it not? or am i confused with knives? Oh and the post you highlited I did actually call both air rifles and paintball guns firearms, even though technically unless they are over 12ft pound they then fall into the firearm category in which you need a licence
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Pest control? ...... how original :suspect: .... Did you really mean mean to quote me for the rest of your post :shrug:
 
you know what i can't be bothered with this anymore. I have appologised for the wrong way i started this thread, i have explained myself and yet you are still examining every word i write and still trying to find a way to twist it. i have nothing to prove to you and i don't need to justify anything to any of you. I shoot legally and with permission, i have done for many years and do so with respect for land owners property, safety and the law. I am not going to bother writing any more on this thread now.
 
Weapon
–noun
1.
any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.

Firearm
–noun
a small arms weapon (i would disagree with this description), as a rifle or pistol, from which a projectile is fired by gunpowder.


Weapon suggests you use it as such, its not a big deal, but you will very rarely find any shooters refer to guns or firearms as weapons as we are all very keen to make a distinction between people that use civilian held firearms as tools for a hobby/sport and those that use them as a weapon against others in those rare sad cases. (i am not suggesting you do this for a second)

Just a small distinction that can help not to muddy the water over what shooting is about, hopefully you appreciate how important these small things can be.
 
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