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as normal I think I need a better camera

Present gear lumix G1 with kit lens 14--45

Treat me gently please..I am a noob to larger dslr's

Cheers
GEOF
 
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I would gladly welcome you to the
dark side…in the Nikon world! :)
 
Without shelling out proper money the Canon kit lens is going to be worse than the Lumix 14-45,
but bearing that in mind any modern body (including Panasonic) will give more detail and far better high-ISO results than the G1.

Go for it : entry-level Canon DSLRs are pretty cheap.

Hang on a mo ... Mr.Toad you have fifteen thousand posts and a long posting history here and elsewhere ... go for the newest most massive 35mm Canon and a nice bright lens system ...
 
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Have you thought about upgrading your m4/3 body? It's not the cheapest option but the latest m4/3 bodies from Olympus and Panasonic will be much better than your G1.

The Panasonic 14-45 kit lens is actually very good.

Best value for money in m4/3 at the moment is the Olympus E-M1 MkI IMO. Having said that I also love my E-M10 MkII. But with the budget for these you can also pick up a pretty good basic Canon setup.
 
Ulfric M Douglas said:
Without shelling out proper money the Canon kit lens is going to be worse than the Lumix 14-45,
but bearing that in mind any modern body (including Panasonic) will give more detail and far better high-ISO results than the G1.

Go for it : entry-level Canon DSLRs are pretty cheap.

Hang on a mo ... Mr.Toad you have fifteen thousand posts and a long posting history here and elsewhere ... go for the newest most massive 35mm Canon and a nice bright lens system ...
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Ok. I have viewed canon 300 and 500 but don't really know what or where to go £££

Nikon equivalents okay by me
 
maarten.dhaese said:
Have you thought about upgrading your m4/3 body? It's not the cheapest option but the latest m4/3 bodies from Olympus and Panasonic will be much better than your G1.

The Panasonic 14-45 kit lens is actually very good.

Best value for money in m4/3 at the moment is the Olympus E-M1 MkI IMO. Having said that I also love my E-M10 MkII. But with the budget for these you can also pick up a pretty good basic Canon setup.
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My mind is whizzing
 
Ulfric M Douglas said:
Without shelling out proper money the Canon kit lens is going to be worse than the Lumix 14-45.
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The 24-105 is a kit lens and it's brilliant.

If you want full frame go for the 6D if you like canon.

If you like Nikon go for a 2nd hand D750. Brilliant camera with the 24-120 F4 VR

If you're a crop boy Canon will be the 7D or the 7D MK2 if budget allows.

Nikon crop might be the 7200.


My thoughts only, other cameras are available.
Check terms & conditions before you buy.

Buy grey to upset some people here.

Buy UK to get a manufacturer's warranty
 
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GreenNinja67 said:
The 24-105 is a kit lens and it's brilliant.

If you want full frame go for the 6D if you like canon.

If you like Nikon go for a 2nd hand D750. Brilliant camera with the 24-120 F4 VR

If you're a crop boy Canon will be the 7D or the 7D MK2 if budget allows.

Nikon crop might be the 7200.


My thoughts only, other cameras are available.
Check terms & conditions before you buy.

Buy grey to upset some people here.

Buy UK to get a manufacturer's warranty
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£ 300-400 incl zoom
 
GreenNinja67 said:
The 24-105 is a kit lens and it's brilliant.

If you want full frame go for the 6D if you like canon.

If you like Nikon go for a 2nd hand D750. Brilliant camera with the 24-120 F4 VR

If you're a crop boy Canon will be the 7D or the 7D MK2 if budget allows.

Nikon crop might be the 7200.


My thoughts only, other cameras are available.
Check terms & conditions before you buy.

Buy grey to upset some people here.

Buy UK to get a manufacturer's warranty
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wisdom abounds
thanks
Terry
 
mrtoad said:
Would have to be a zoom
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which zoom?

For example, the reason I went into Canon is because they make better TSE lenses, more of them and more flexible. I was studying architecture at the time and TSE lenses are best for that.

What do you shoot?
 
You're going to struggle with £300-400 but try to get a S/H 550D, they are lovely cameras and you should find one for £150-200, I traded mine for a 70D and, while I got a lot more bells and whistles it didn't give any better quality images. Then try to find a lens with what you have left. You might easily get one with the kit lens but, as has been said, they aren't up to much. There are a fair few step up lenses that should fall in your price range, especially if you can find one second-hand, there is a section on this site that can probably provide.
 
Geoff, I have seen you fairly active in the Landscape forum. Is that your primary subject or do you also shoot a lot of moving stuff? Do you work from a tripod or do you prefer to use the viewfinder?

The reason I ask is I love Canon, I've owned them for decades until a couple of months ago but unless you can't get on with an EVF and/or want to shoot lots of moving stuff I would urge you to consider mirrorless. It would be closer in size and weight to what you are used to and particularly the Sony A7 range (but also heard good things about Fuji) will destroy Canon as a landscape camera.

Caveat to all this is the best camera is the one that you enjoy using the most that gets you out taking photos. So you need something you get on with.
 
mrtoad said:
as normal I think I need a better camera

Present gear lumix G1 with kit lens 14--45
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Why? What do you want to do that your current gear can't do?
 
StewartR said:
Why? What do you want to do that your current gear can't do?
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Thanks
That is really what is puzzling me, as I am not really taking many photos .
Time for a longer think
Cheers
GEOF
 
I'd question why you want one and why you think buying one would make you take more photos? If you're set on it then try out both Canon and Nikon in store as you may prefer the layout and ergonomics of one over the other. In terms of outright IQ in dynamic range, noise handling and sometimes colour depth then Nikon have the upper hand at the mo.
 
If you don't really know why you need to upgrade and you're not shooting much anyway, maybe you'd be better off picking up a cheaper used entry level Canon like a 550/600D and see if you like the handling. As per one of the earlier comments, you won't see a massive difference in quality using the Canon 18-55 kit lens but if you pick up something like a Tamron 17-50 2.8 (non-VC) you'll notice a massive improvement.
 
The 14-45 is a cracking lens and you won't get better for your budget with Canon, personally with £3-400 I'd just get an EM1, the sensor is as good, if not better than any Canon in your budget and the amount of features it has is crazy.
 
Nawty said:
The 14-45 is a cracking lens and you won't get better for your budget with Canon, personally with £3-400 I'd just get an EM1, the sensor is as good, if not better than any Canon in your budget and the amount of features it has is crazy.
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This is almost certainly the best option.
 
I used a Panny G1 for years and in many ways at low to mid ISO's it was more than a match for my Canon 5D :D

There's the possibility of sticking with MFT and getting a better body and lens (12-35mm f2.8) or going for a Sony A7 but the budget of £300-400 puts a stop to both of those plans and doing significantly better with a DSLR and lens might also be too much of a challenge. For £300-400 money I'd go for a newer MFT body.
 
Just a thought so feel free to ignore.
Over the years I've learned the hard way my needs to upgrade my gear was really just magic bullet chasing and gas. What really needed the upgrade was me and my brain in terms of inspiration, knowledge and some projects. The only results I've got from my upgrades is wasted money and piles of accumulated gear.
 
soeren said:
Just a thought so feel free to ignore.
Over the years I've learned the hard way my needs to upgrade my gear was really just magic bullet chasing and gas. What really needed the upgrade was me and my brain in terms of inspiration, knowledge and some projects. The only results I've got from my upgrades is wasted money and piles of accumulated gear.
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I agree but with a caveat... I think that the G1 is excellent at low to mid ISO's but newer MFT cameras have better dynamic range and are better at the higher ISO's and if either of these things matter to the OP I think a newer body may make a bigger difference than a newer lens.
 
Arno1405 said:
TBH: I think the lens is more important than the body. Go for a entry level (or may be a nice second hand 60D) (I am Canon only user - never went to Nikon so can't tell you) and get a nice lens... The 50mm 1.4 or 85mm EF lens from Canon are great lens for street, portrait and much more.
www.mpb.com may be for the second hand or your local camera shop
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A 60D and even a cheap 50mm or 85mm on the OP's budget? It may be possible I suppose but may take some time and patience on evil bay but even then a 50 or 85mm on APS-C may be a bit limiting.

I'd normally agree that the lens is more important than the body but good and even very good though the G1 is at low to mid ISO's it will show its relative weakness against a more modern body at higher ISO's and in circumstances where a higher dynamic range may be needed and the 14-45mm is arguably a very nice kit lens. I had the less well thought of 14-42mm and I can tell you that you'll need to spend quite a lot on a Canon APS-C camera and zoom lens to significantly better it on a half competent MFT body.
 
GreenNinja67 said:
The 24-105 is a kit lens and it's brilliant.

If you want full frame go for the 6D if you like canon.

If you like Nikon go for a 2nd hand D750. Brilliant camera with the 24-120 F4 VR

If you're a crop boy Canon will be the 7D or the 7D MK2 if budget allows.

Nikon crop might be the 7200.


My thoughts only, other cameras are available.
Check terms & conditions before you buy.

Buy grey to upset some people here.

Buy UK to get a manufacturer's warranty
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Technically, the 24-105L isn't really a kit lens (assuming you're referring to the L version and not the variable aperture version), it's a high end constant aperture mid zoom lens. It's only sometimes called the 6d / 5d kit lens as it used to be offered as a white box lens with the body.

You can't classify the 24-10L in the same bracket as a standard kit lens!
 
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soeren said:
Is the move from m43 to aps-s really an upgrade or more a move sideways?
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Had thoughts of the larger sensor as being an improvement
And now gather a kit lens may not be good so that would be body only and separate lens purchase
The thought of a better m43 lens, a zoom may be too much and not be a 24-45
 
The G1 is from 2008? A quick Google search gives me the impression the 14-45 kit lens is pretty good so I'd just get a more current camera body for that lens just as woof woof said. Changing system means new camera and new lens and I doubt you'll get any real improvement over Micro four thirds within your budget going that way.
 
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soeren said:
The G1 is from 2008? A quick Google search gives me the impression the 14-45 kit lens is pretty good so I'd just get a more current camera body for that lens just as woof woof said. Changing system means new camera and new lens and I doubt you'll get any real improvement over Microsoft four thirds within your budget going that way.
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that means an updated m43 body...lumix?
or other
i will do some googling now

ps to all who answered and i didnt do a like
i havent had a chance to read through all the posts but value this advice

when i was younger and leched after nikon F and AI lenses i spent £££...i had it then
then the music side...saxes mouthpieces clarinets oboe...again...£££
bass guitars...again lots, changing pickups, new strings etc

i thought i 'needed' all that

now i dont want to get sucked in again...anyone heard of equipment GAS!!
i agree lens, but now its not 35mm film in the body..which one can change and develop differently
its sensors and the ability to take decent high iso shots...above 200 is not where i have been going

thanks again
 
stevelmx5 said:
Like most kit lenses, shot within its' limits the 14-45 can deliver excellent results;

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https://flic.kr/p/Fu6gDh

I shot this on my old GF1, so the same sensor as the G1, around F9 with a couple of hotshoe flashes. I've got it on the wall at home printed at 18"x12" and the detail is excellent.
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stunner...and not interested in dad..but being herself which is what we want
cheers
geof
 
soeren said:
Just a thought so feel free to ignore.
Over the years I've learned the hard way my needs to upgrade my gear was really just magic bullet chasing and gas. What really needed the upgrade was me and my brain in terms of inspiration, knowledge and some projects. The only results I've got from my upgrades is wasted money and piles of accumulated gear.
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I agree with this in part, but also there is no doubt in my mind that better gear can give better, more pleasing results. For example my 24-70mm f2.8 on my D750 gives me better images that my EM1 with 14-40mm f2.8 pro, even excluding the DOF thing. Yes the Nikon combo is more expensive, but in terms of lens types etc they are the same, ie fast aperture pro level short zooms. Same person, same technique, same (lack of) skill level. So yes technique is ultimately the most important thing (along with light) but different gear can give better results. Where you can go wrong is buying new/better gear hoping it's going to fix your own failures/inadequacies, but obviously it won't.
 
soeren said:
Just a thought so feel free to ignore.
Over the years I've learned the hard way my needs to upgrade my gear was really just magic bullet chasing and gas. What really needed the upgrade was me and my brain in terms of inspiration, knowledge and some projects. The only results I've got from my upgrades is wasted money and piles of accumulated gear.
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ah...a fellow sufferer
you know the fear then....what you want isnt what you need
i think you have stabilised my thinking now
i wont have lots of gear but may assess really what i need to produce.....and take some more photos
i am running on empty now and old archive stuff to show here
i lost a lot on pixie...sad really i should have used the cloud
cheers
geof
 
woof woof said:
A 60D and even a cheap 50mm or 85mm on the OP's budget? It may be possible I suppose but may take some time and patience on evil bay but even then a 50 or 85mm on APS-C may be a bit limiting.

I'd normally agree that the lens is more important than the body but good and even very good though the G1 is at low to mid ISO's it will show its relative weakness against a more modern body at higher ISO's and in circumstances where a higher dynamic range may be needed and the 14-45mm is arguably a very nice kit lens. I had the less well thought of 14-42mm and I can tell you that you'll need to spend quite a lot on a Canon APS-C camera and zoom lens to significantly better it on a half competent MFT body.
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Agree with you woof woof with a crop body, there is limitation.
I think it mainly depends what needs to be shoot.
 
Decided on a G6 body
And then decide later on new lens
xx
 
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You'll get very little for that money.
If you're looking at TSE lenses then you need a lot more.
You can achieve much of what a TSE lens will give you using Photoshop Transform, but not all.
 
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