Godox AD360II

[saffronsnapper]

Hi guys,

I'm looking to get one of the newer Godox lights but I am hoping to trigger it using my existing Yongnuo YN 622C system. Does anyone have any experience of this. Would it enable me to use HSS on it?
Any advice or guidance would be appreciated.

 

[mike weeks]

Yes it will work but by preference I would use the X1 trigger system

Mike

 

[Michael Sewell]

Yes it will work but by preference I would use the X1 trigger system

Mike

 

[saffronsnapper]

Thanks for your advice gents. Out of curiosity, why would you opt for the X1?

 

[Michael Sewell]

Full remote control over the power settings of the Witstro head

Say no more!

 

[saffronsnapper]

Ah good point. I was hoping to stick with the 622s to avoid having more stuff to carry but I think I will just have to take the plunge with it. Thanks Michael.

 

[Michael Sewell]

To clarify, the newer heads (although you don't state which one) has the radio receiver circuits built in.

 

[saffronsnapper]

I'm sorry, I thought the AD360II were the newer ones. Looks like I need to do some research.

 

[Michael Sewell]

I'm sorry, I thought the AD360II were the newer ones. Looks like I need to do some research.

You're right, I'd forgotten you stated the model in the title. Bear in mind it's been more than fifteen minutes since my first reply, and my age dictates a nonlinear falloff regarding memory retention!

I was alluding to the latest Witstro AD600, which Mike owns, and I lust after
The Witstro AD360 mkII employs the usb plugin receiver, the same as the mkI

 

[Michael Sewell]

The USB receiver is for backward compatibility with the FS-16 system used by the mkI, along with the v850 flash series in all its incarnations.
The mkII 360 has an inbuilt receiver, so only needs the X-1 transmitter

Original release note: http://flashhavoc.com/godox-witstro-ad360ii-c-ttl-flash-announced/

 

[saffronsnapper]

I couldn't comment on your memory but it must be good enough to remember the helpful website you've sent.

I saw that but couldn't find a definitive answer about control with the yongnuo triggers. I may just have to bite the bullet and get the X1 but test out the 622s when it arrives.

 

[mike weeks]

I couldn't comment on your memory but it must be good enough to remember the helpful website you've sent.

I saw that but couldn't find a definitive answer about control with the yongnuo triggers. I may just have to bite the bullet and get the X1 but test out the 622s when it arrives.

Keep the 622 as backup (I did) and the X1 is only about £25 extra if you buy bundled with the AD360II and as Michael would say if he had it it also works great with the AD600 - they have also announced that there will be new 850s and 860s with the X1 system built in which in my honest opinion will make it the most versatile flash system ever produced

Mike

 

[Michael Sewell]

Keep the 622 as backup (I did) and the X1 is only about £25 extra if you buy bundled with the AD360II and as Michael would say if he had it it also works great with the AD600 - they have also announced that there will be new 850s and 860s with the X1 system built in which in my honest opinion will make it the most versatile flash system ever produced

Mike

Exactly!

 

[saffronsnapper]

Keep the 622 as backup (I did) and the X1 is only about £25 extra if you buy bundled with the AD360II and as Michael would say if he had it it also works great with the AD600 - they have also announced that there will be new 850s and 860s with the X1 system built in which in my honest opinion will make it the most versatile flash system ever produced

Mike

I would be keeping the 622s as I have a full set which I'm happy using.

I've been using Yongnuo for quite a few years so I'm hesitant to move to another system but the 360s and 600s do seem very versatile. I don't know anything about the 850s & 860s.

Thanks all for your guidance. I'll get a bundled set ordered!

 

[Steve-T]

Best place to buy the AD360II?

 

[saffronsnapper]

I've managed to get one on the dreaded bay but I've seen them on Amazon too.

 

[Phil V]

Best place to buy the AD360II?

Cheapest or customer support?

 

[gadgeteer]

Best place to buy the AD360II?

I got my AD600 from Eachshot.com. They also sell the AD360 mk2. Try dropping them a FB message. They are usually very responsive and helpful. They told me that they will ship from their UK warehouse meaning no import duty and that they provide a guarantee so if it breaks, you only need to send it back to their warehouse, not China. That being said I have not ever tried to return anything.

http://www.eachshot.com/product/god...wireless-system-pb960-battery-black/4484.html

If you want the security & backup of a UK company then Essential Photo do the rebadged version. https://www.essentialphoto.co.uk/pr...-ettl-ttl-portable-bare-bulb-flash-for-canon/
Obviously it's slightly more.

 

[Garry Edwards]

I got my AD600 from Eachshot.com. They also sell the AD360 mk2. Try dropping them a FB message. They are usually very responsive and helpful. They told me that they will ship from their UK warehouse meaning no import duty and that they provide a guarantee so if it breaks, you only need to send it back to their warehouse, not China. That being said I have not ever tried to return anything.

http://www.eachshot.com/product/god...wireless-system-pb960-battery-black/4484.html

If you want the security & backup of a UK company then Essential Photo do the rebadged version. https://www.essentialphoto.co.uk/pr...-ettl-ttl-portable-bare-bulb-flash-for-canon/
Obviously it's slightly more.

I don't know anything at all about eachshot, but curiosity got the better of me so I looked for details of their warranty on their website. Obviously I didn't look properly, because I couldn't find any mention of it...
Basically though, you get what you pay for, and even when a warranty appears to exist, you need to take the following on board...
1. What are the terms of the warranty? - if it says words to the effect of "The warranty will be invalid if you work the product too hard" then it isn't worth having because they reserve the right to decide on whether or not you've worked it too hard.
2.Financial stability - it's always worth doing a financial check, if the firm is heavily in debt then they probably won't be around if you need them to honour their warranty.
3. Capability - if the firm doesn't have a repair department then all that they can do is to swap a faulty unit and give you a new one, which is fine during the period of the warranty, but once the warranty is dead, you won't be able to get it repaired.

And finally, although it isn't PC to say so, the attitude of some ethnic groups can be very different to others. In some parts of the world, they simply don't believe in customer service.

 

[Steve-T]

Cheapest or customer support?

Well I would usually choose customer support up to a point, I am not looking for the cheapest at any cost but the choice is a bit limited currently

I got my AD600 from Eachshot.com. They also sell the AD360 mk2. Try dropping them a FB message. They are usually very responsive and helpful. They told me that they will ship from their UK warehouse meaning no import duty and that they provide a guarantee so if it breaks, you only need to send it back to their warehouse, not China. That being said I have not ever tried to return anything.

http://www.eachshot.com/product/god...wireless-system-pb960-battery-black/4484.html

If you want the security & backup of a UK company then Essential Photo do the rebadged version. https://www.essentialphoto.co.uk/pr...-ettl-ttl-portable-bare-bulb-flash-for-canon/
Obviously it's slightly more.

Thanks, $500 is a great price but there is the question of warranty, a lot dearer at essential of course.

 

[Phil V]

Well I would usually choose customer support up to a point, I am not looking for the cheapest at any cost but the choice is a bit limited currently



Thanks, $500 is a great price but there is the question of warranty, a lot dearer at essential of course.

There's Amazon prime fulfilment at a very good price, but I can't see much in the way of a workable warranty beyond your statuary rights (actually I'd go for that)

 

[Steve-T]

So if I buy the X1-N transmitter, what do I need to fire off say a SB910 or a Safari 2 at the same time. I gather that the SB910 would not be able to alter power remotely, but am I right in thinking I could use this with a Lencarta Safari 2?

 

[Phil V]

So if I buy the X1-N transmitter, what do I need to fire off say a SB910 or a Safari 2 at the same time. I gather that the SB910 would not be able to alter power remotely, but am I right in thinking I could use this with a Lencarta Safari 2?

Good question! I'm more familiar with the Canon triggers (where the x1c fits in the Canon wireless system, but not with every compatible)

I'm guessing you'd end up using the pass thru port for the sb910 but I think the ft16 receiver on the Safari2 is triggered by the x1n

 

[saffronsnapper]

I've tested the flash with my yongnuo 622 transceivers and they seem to work for both hss and power control. In theory it means I could use it alongside my Canon speedlights on different channels. What triggers do you use with your speedlight @Steve-T?

 

[gadgeteer]

I don't know anything at all about eachshot, but curiosity got the better of me so I looked for details of their warranty on their website. Obviously I didn't look properly, because I couldn't find any mention of it...
Basically though, you get what you pay for, and even when a warranty appears to exist, you need to take the following on board...
1. What are the terms of the warranty? - if it says words to the effect of "The warranty will be invalid if you work the product too hard" then it isn't worth having because they reserve the right to decide on whether or not you've worked it too hard.
2.Financial stability - it's always worth doing a financial check, if the firm is heavily in debt then they probably won't be around if you need them to honour their warranty.
3. Capability - if the firm doesn't have a repair department then all that they can do is to swap a faulty unit and give you a new one, which is fine during the period of the warranty, but once the warranty is dead, you won't be able to get it repaired.

And finally, although it isn't PC to say so, the attitude of some ethnic groups can be very different to others. In some parts of the world, they simply don't believe in customer service.

Like I said, I haven't had any cause to need to return anything yet so can't comment on returns with any first hand knowledge. I do understand that you get what you pay for and absolutely if the cost was comparable then I'd always buy UK/EU stock. But as is often the case, the price from abroad is often so much cheaper that I'm willing to take the gamble.

I'm not sure how I feel about the ethnic group comment. However I'd argue that whilst there are many companies that don't give a toss about customer service, there are others like Panamoz & DigitalRev who do seem to give a good level of customer service. When my D750 display went on the blink a few months ago, Panamoz couldn't have been better.

Overall though I think it's fairly common sense that there is a risk associated with ordering from abroad. If you don't want to take that risk then pay the extra, which is why I also posted the one sold by Essential Photo.

 

[Steve-T]

I am using the Yongnuo 622's

 

[Garry Edwards]

Like I said, I haven't had any cause to need to return anything yet so can't comment on returns with any first hand knowledge. I do understand that you get what you pay for and absolutely if the cost was comparable then I'd always buy UK/EU stock. But as is often the case, the price from abroad is often so much cheaper that I'm willing to take the gamble.

I'm not sure how I feel about the ethnic group comment. However I'd argue that whilst there are many companies that don't give a toss about customer service, there are others like Panamoz & DigitalRev who do seem to give a good level of customer service. When my D750 display went on the blink a few months ago, Panamoz couldn't have been better.

Overall though I think it's fairly common sense that there is a risk associated with ordering from abroad. If you don't want to take that risk then pay the extra, which is why I also posted the one sold by Essential Photo.

Well, I fully accept that some companies have adopted a policy of giving good customer service, possibly because it pays them to do so. But the simple fact of the matter is that in a country that has 1.3 billion potential customers, and where the name of the game is always to sell as cheaply as possible in a market that has become saturated and where the profit margins are extremely low, customers don't expect much and suppliers don't give much. And especially with new products, where it's normal for it to take several batches to overcome design and component faults. I remember one particular product, from a large firm with a better reputation than most, where every single portable flash from the first batch failed. This was a few years ago, that particular factory made sure that none of the first 3 batches went abroad, but with ambitious (greedy) firms now, they don't control their sales, they sell to literally anyone and neither know nor care where their products are sold, and because of this the first batches ARE going abroad, and risk-taking buyers are buying them, believing that they're going to be lucky.

And, as I said earlier, a warranty can never be worth much if the firm that offers is isn't going to be around when things go wrong, or if their T&C doesn't cover wear and tear, bad design etc - regardless of where they're situated.
Basically, you pay your money and take your chances.

 

[mike weeks]

So if I buy the X1-N transmitter, what do I need to fire off say a SB910 or a Safari 2 at the same time. I gather that the SB910 would not be able to alter power remotely, but am I right in thinking I could use this with a Lencarta Safari 2?

The XTR16 should give power control with Safari 2 but I have not tested yet and using the X1R receiver you should be able to power control your SB910, I can control my V860s without issue

Mike

 

[Steve-T]

XTR16

Mike - Is using the XTR16 simply an alternative to the YN622's? To be honest I hadnt even considered the XTR16 up to this point, I have to admit to being a little confused by it all

 

[saffronsnapper]

It was my confusion about triggering the lights that made me ask the question. I understand your position Steve. I was advised by the guys on here to get the Godox trigger for guaranteed full control, I have opted to try the yongnuo with the option of getting the X1-CT if the 622s don't offer adequate control.

 

[Steve-T]

It was my confusion about triggering the lights that made me ask the question. I understand your position Steve. I was advised by the guys on here to get the Godox trigger for guaranteed full control, I have opted to try the yongnuo with the option of getting the X1-CT if the 622s don't offer adequate control.

At the price of the X1-N I shall buy it anyway, I wasn't sure I would need any reciever at all with the Safari 2 as I assumed it was built in. Using an XTR16 makes sense (to me) with a speedlight but Lencarta state that Hypersync works if using the YN-622's with Safari 2, so how does one attach it?
I am confusing myself now and I really need a full break down of what I need to use a AD360ii and a Safari 2 both above synch speed

 

[Garry Edwards]

At the price of the X1-N I shall buy it anyway, I wasn't sure I would need any reciever at all with the Safari 2 as I assumed it was built in. Using an XTR16 makes sense (to me) with a speedlight but Lencarta state that Hypersync works if using the YN-622's with Safari 2, so how does one attach it?
I am confusing myself now and I really need a full break down of what I need to use a AD360ii and a Safari 2 both above synch speed

The receiver for the Safari 2 isn't built in, but it's included with the kit - just plug it into the USB port, as per the instructions, video etc.
But that won't allow tail end sync, which seems to be what you want, the YN-622 is a tail end sync trigger and should work, just plug the transmitter into your camera hotshoe and the receiver into the Safari, which also has a standard 3.5mm jack socket. Set the Safari to something like half power, because at full power the flash duration may be too short, depending partly on your camera. However, on the standard Godox version of our Safari, which has longer flash durations, it seems to work OK at full power, except on some of the slower cameras.

I've tested the YN-622N and it works fine, but some people are reporting that the Canon version (YN-622C) doesn't work above normal shutter speeds, I don't know because I don't use Canon but there are now enough people saying this for me to question either the quality control or the design of the YN-622C. Last week, a customer had exactly the same problem, fortunately he also has Pocket Wizard triggers, so rather than faff around trying to get the Yongnuo ones to work, he is using his PW, which work perfectly with the Safari.

 

[Steve-T]

The receiver for the Safari 2 isn't built in, but it's included with the kit - just plug it into the USB port, as per the instructions, video etc.
But that won't allow tail end sync, which seems to be what you want, the YN-622 is a tail end sync trigger and should work, just plug the transmitter into your camera hotshoe and the receiver into the Safari, which also has a standard 3.5mm jack socket. Set the Safari to something like half power, because at full power the flash duration may be too short, depending partly on your camera. However, on the standard Godox version of our Safari, which has longer flash durations, it seems to work OK at full power, except on some of the slower cameras.

I've tested the YN-622N and it works fine, but some people are reporting that the Canon version (YN-622C) doesn't work above normal shutter speeds, I don't know because I don't use Canon but there are now enough people saying this for me to question either the quality control or the design of the YN-622C. Last week, a customer had exactly the same problem, fortunately he also has Pocket Wizard triggers, so rather than faff around trying to get the Yongnuo ones to work, he is using his PW, which work perfectly with the Safari.

Thanks for the confirmation Garry
I did read some reports of it not working - probably the Canon version then.

 

[saffronsnapper]

Following the reports Garry has heard I've just tested some higher shutter speeds upto 1/4000 and the Yongnuo seems to be holding up. Otherwise I would have been ordering a X1-CT now.

 

[Steve-T]

Well Eachshot on their Amazon page are quoting 17 March to 8th April for delivery date

Following the reports Garry has heard I've just tested some higher shutter speeds upto 1/4000 and the Yongnuo seems to be holding up. Otherwise I would have been ordering a X1-CT now.

Is that using the AD360ii and only Yongnuo's? I have just hit the button on Amazon for one and decided to try it with the YN622's first off.

 

[saffronsnapper]

Well Eachshot on their Amazon page are quoting 17 March to 8th April for delivery date

Is that using the AD360ii and only Yongnuo's? I have just hit the button on Amazon for one and decided to try it with the YN622's first off.

It's using the AD360ii and just a pair of Yongnuo 622Cs. I did the same, ordered it without the Godox trigger to try and it seems to work for me so far.

 

[Steve-T]

It's using the AD360ii and just a pair of Yongnuo 622Cs. I did the same, ordered it without the Godox trigger to try and it seems to work for me so far.

OK well we will see how it goes, incidentally on a side note I contacted Eachshot regarding the New Godox RS600P 600w as thire site claims it does not work with HSS. I asked them to clarify as I have read references to it operating with the YN622's.
Their answer was "You can use the AD600B which is support TTL" Not sure they understood my question

 

[mike weeks]

Mike - Is using the XTR16 simply an alternative to the YN622's? To be honest I hadnt even considered the XTR16 up to this point, I have to admit to being a little confused by it all

No not really as the XTR receivers are a 2.4GHz replacement for the 433MHz FTR controllers - beauty is that the XTR receivers can be controlled from the X1 transmitters so you should be able to replace any FTR receiver and integrate everything from a V850 to a Lencarta Safari 2 all under 1 controller

Mike

 

[Steve-T]

No not really as the XTR receivers are a 2.4GHz replacement for the 433MHz FTR controllers - beauty is that the XTR receivers can be controlled from the X1 transmitters so you should be able to replace any FTR receiver and integrate everything from a V850 to a Lencarta Safari 2 all under 1 controller

Mike

I have just ordered some anyway to play with.

 

[staf]

hi all. i was hoping someone here might be able to help me with an issue

i have just received my ad360ii and am trying to fire it with my yongnuo 568ex flashes, i have a couple of 622n trigger/receivers and a 622n tx and also the x1 trigger that came with the 360ii. i just can not for the life of me get them all to fire at the same time. can anyone help????