Glasgow police: is this even legal?

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ST4 said:
Dr Steve has been the most helpful poster on this thread. As a member of the public and a resident near Glasgow I find it galling there are good police tied up to catch transgressions like this while drug crazed yobs mug, attack etc. I can't even go into the city at night such is the crime problem to take photos but there are police out dealing with this, not the yobs in streets etc.

We get the policing we deserve. IMHO.

Seeing the posts, I doubt he'd hear about it but why have police out on the quiet roads when there are bigger crims to catch. This is Glasgow.
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Sensationalist pish!
 
Bernie174 said:
Complicated answer for you byker. You were summonsed for doing 54. You pleaded not guilty? But successfully proved you were driving in excess of the speed limit. The Guidelines were complied with, it was 54, way over the 'grace' level. You in effect did your own legs by proving you were driving at 41.4, and the Magistrates were therefore left with no option but to convict you, you admitted the offence.
The offence it's self is absolute, you were driving at 40 or under (if thats what the limit was) or you weren't. The ACPOoo Guideline is for issuing a summons, not for what Magistrates decide to do.
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It was a lot more complicated than that and a very long story and took over 15 months and three visits to court whilst the police tried to prove my guilt of 54mph, even disproving my technical expert. The only acceptable technical expert is, yes that's right, from the company that sells thet LTI2020 to the uk police force. They were obstructive, refused to provide me information and evidence and after the second court visit were told by the magistrate to provide the video which proved my innocence of the charge.

I proved in three different ways, including their video evidence, that the maximum, allowing for error was 41.4mph, the minimum was 38.8mph. After finally accepting all the evidence as correct (and hence proving operator error of the LTI2020 and it wasn't infallible as always stated) they seized on the 41.4. The Scamera chief said they had zero tolerance and within minutes I was convicted, despite my argument that that was the theoretical maximum. As I said - thats what the 'Partnership' bit means...

The local Scamership chief took a great exception to my defence and went to great lengths to personally see me convicted. Afterwards I was told they had full Pepipoo membership and used it to aid their defence. I sent him a 'Sorry you are leaving - Oh no we aren't' card when the scameraship was ended.
 
I was convicted, despite my argument that that was the theoretical maximum.
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Yes, which is above 40. So you in effect convicted yourself. It wasn't the Partnership that got you, it wasn't the Police, it was you and the Magistrate.
Again, chief of the partnership can't have any influence on that, it's not him that decides.
 
ST4 said:
Perhaps the priorities are wrong. Violent crime, drugs etc should be dealt with, and only after that should road policing occur. I agree re drink. Drunks should be a higher priority target than motorists yet the hooliganism you see in this sess pit of a city it's clear they roam free but the motorist is relentlessly persecuted for minor offences.

All IMHO.
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you do know there are separate sections of the police that deal with traffic and "regular" street crime..
 
Perhaps the priorities are wrong. Violent crime, drugs etc should be dealt with, and only after that should road policing occur. I agree re drink. Drunks should be a higher priority target than motorists yet the hooliganism you see in this sess pit of a city it's clear they roam free but the motorist is relentlessly persecuted for minor offences.
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Ever seen the mess thats left when a human being is hit by something being driven even at 40? If you had you'd not be saying that.

In any case, there are still police in the city center, but they can't be everywhere, and once they nick someone they are out of play. You could pour all the Police in Scotland into a city centre some nights, and it still would be a cess pit.
 
neil_g said:
you do know there are separate sections of the police that deal with traffic and "regular" street crime..
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Yeah, but overall IMHO too much resource is devoted to pursuing petty road crimes
Bernie174 said:
Ever seen the mess thats left when a human being is hit by something being driven even at 40? If you had you'd not be saying that.

In any case, there are still police in the city center, but they can't be everywhere, and once they nick someone they are out of play. You could pour all the Police in Scotland into a city centre some nights, and it still would be a cess pit.
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No I wouldn't, because I'd be pragmatic enough to realise that for every death like that, there are probabily millions of 40mph speeding events causing no issue at all. But the junkies roaming around, they need detained and locked up.
 
ST4 said:
Have you never sped or broken the speed limit, even broke it by 1mph. If you haven't I salute you and everyone here who hasn't.

Otherwise, if you have, I'd say the OP is getting a lot of stick for sounding off for being prosecuted for a 4mph transgression of a speed limit on a quiet road by the holier than thou mentality that seems common place in this day and age.
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yes when I was young (under 20) and stupid not now. I don't see sticking to the speed limit an issue. being over the limit by 4 in a 40 would probably mean being over 45 on the dash.

sure the speed can climb etc but I don't purposefully go over the limit. I don't even drive at 70 on the motorway tbf lol

the law is there, 44mph is over the limit so while a policeman does have digression it's still breaking the law. I really don't get the issue and have no sympathy for the OP if he got caught speeding.
 
Yv said:
Even bad weather can be a reason for temporary speed restriction, if they are expecting a certain stretch of road to flood, high winds, etc, so no, the reasons aren't always as immediately obvious as a few guys in high vis jackets and some flashing orange lights.


Oh and of course debris in the road, possibly a lorry spilt its load of dummies and teddies.
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There's a slight technicality here.

Orange flashing lights accompanying a speed restriction are advisory only. Perfectly legal to continue at the normal speed limit for the road.

Speed limits are only enforceable when the number is inside a red circle, be it on a standard road sign or one of the modern electronic ones on motorway overhead gantries. Aside the national speed limit sign of course, which has no red circle.
 
purpleclouds said:
There's a slight technicality here.

Orange flashing lights accompanying a speed restriction are advisory only. Perfectly legal to continue at the normal speed limit for the road.

Speed limits are only enforceable when the number is inside a red circle, be it on a standard road sign or one of the modern electronic ones on motorway overhead gantries. Aside the national speed limit sign of course, which has no red circle.
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As has already been pointed out a few times, to be fair :lol:
 
You either get this or don't. It is such a minor crime that requires too much reserouce, its sneaky some of the speed traps we see set. You might not feel sympathetic, but if the same vigour and cunning was applied to detect other crimes, we'd live in a much safer society.
 
purpleclouds said:
There's a slight technicality here.

Orange flashing lights accompanying a speed restriction are advisory only. Perfectly legal to continue at the normal speed limit for the road.

Speed limits are only enforceable when the number is inside a red circle, be it on a standard road sign or one of the modern electronic ones on motorway overhead gantries. Aside the national speed limit sign of course, which has no red circle.
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Hence my question to the OP as to how they knew it was a speed trap.

I'm going to hazard a guess that they didn't, eh @daugirdas ?
 
ST4 said:
You either get this or don't. It is such a minor crime that requires too much reserouce, its sneaky some of the speed traps we see set. You might not feel sympathetic, but if the same vigour and cunning was applied to detect other crimes, we'd live in a much safer society.
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You don't get the really important thing here.

We have absolutely no idea if the OP even went through a speed trap. All we know for certain is he went faster than the advised speed on a piece of motorway, while doing so saw a police car, then got really angry about it.
 
ST4 said:
Dr Steve has been the most helpful poster on this thread. As a member of the public and a resident near Glasgow I find it galling there are good police tied up to catch transgressions like this while drug crazed yobs mug, attack etc. I can't even go into the city at night such is the crime problem to take photos but there are police out dealing with this, not the yobs in streets etc.

We get the policing we deserve. IMHO.

Seeing the posts, I doubt he'd hear about it but why have police out on the quiet roads when there are bigger crims to catch. This is Glasgow.
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as a resident in Glasgow I'm happy that the police are out taking proactive measures to stop people driving over the limit. we frequently have the traffic and normal police with a laser gun just rount the corner from me and its like shooting fish in a barrel. how can people not stick to 30mph in a built up area is beyond me.

I think you live near a different Glasgow than me, I've never ever had a problem in the city centre at any time.

I find it gaulling that you think its acceptable to break the law just because it is speeding.
 
ST4 said:
Do you know the crime drunken and disorderly behaviour/nreach of the peace. I find it galling so many people break the law every friday night just because they like beer.
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yes and people get done for it but the police are not catching speeding motorists rather than patroling the city.
 
ST4 said:
You either get this or don't. It is such a minor crime that requires too much reserouce, its sneaky some of the speed traps we see set. You might not feel sympathetic, but if the same vigour and cunning was applied to detect other crimes, we'd live in a much safer society.
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You seemed to have stated that as 'fact', I think you really meant 'you'll either agree with me or you won't, in my opinion etc etc'
It's perfectly ok to have an opinion, everyone's allowed to have their own, not all of them are going to agree with yours.

On the subject of motoring offences requiring too much resource, if that is the case then surely the opinion that these 'speed traps' are there just to raise revenue is null and void, that would be the only conclusion wouldn't it? They can't take up too much resource and be motivated to provide resource at the same time :thinking:
 
purpleclouds said:
There's a slight technicality here.

Orange flashing lights accompanying a speed restriction are advisory only. Perfectly legal to continue at the normal speed limit for the road.

Speed limits are only enforceable when the number is inside a red circle, be it on a standard road sign or one of the modern electronic ones on motorway overhead gantries. Aside the national speed limit sign of course, which has no red circle.
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I guess I am best staying as a photographer and not try comedy, because my build up to the punchline seems to have flown over a few heads :p
 
ST4 said:
Do you know the crime drunken and disorderly behaviour/nreach of the peace. I find it galling so many people break the law every friday night just because they like beer.
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There is no such crime or offence in Scotland as Drunken and Disorderly Behaviour.

You'll also find (and I've had to research this) that the figures for Stop Searches in Scotland under Police Scotland are at an all time high. This means more is currently being done at 'street level' to combat and address drugs, offensive weapons, underage drinking, violent behaviour as well stolen property too as has ever been done before. The issuing of ASBO FPN's (fixed penalty notices) is also at a record level meaning these types of lower level offences are also being addressed at an all time high.

You really need to get your facts right before you speak such utter pish just because you've a bee in yer bonnet for getting done for being a complete tool behind the wheel Get over it FFS.:rolleyes:
 
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BRASH said:
There is no such crime or offence in Scotland as Drunken and Disorderly Behaviour.

You'll also find (and I've had to research this) that the figures for Stop Searches in Scotland under Police Scotland are at an all time high. This means more is currently being done at 'street level' to combat and address drugs, offensive weapons, underage drinking, violent behaviour as well stolen property too as has ever been done before. The issuing of ASBO FPN's (fixed penalty notices) is also at a record level meaning these types of lower level offences are also being addressed at an all time high.

You really need to get your facts right before you speak such utter pish just because you've a bee in yer bonnet for getting done for being a complete tool behind the wheel Get over it FFS.:rolleyes:
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Breach of the peace. And my conviction has nothing to do with my views on the subject of road policing or policing in general. You need to stop making assumptions.

I to be honest have a bigger bee in my bonnet about nearly getting knifed in a train station for my gear, taking trains and it being a riot of drunken louts whenever there is football on and the transport police being nowhere to be seen on the trains/buses at night when attacks can happen and the rowdiness is out of control. Yet they can drive around in BMWs, Audi's trying to catch speeders, makes total sense.
 
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ST4 said:
Breach of the peace. And my conviction has nothing to do with my views on the subject of road policing or policing in general. You need to stop making assumptions.
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Oh, you've made your views quite clear and the fact you don't really have a clue what the hell you are talking about when it comes to the law, clearly
 
ST4 said:
They shouldn't IMHO bother trying to catch speeding motorists but catch lager louts in the act, perhaps under cover officers arresting louts, in the same way dibble used unmarked cars?
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yeah that way you'd never have been caught at almost twice the speed limit.
 
I've been on the wrong side of the law more times than I can remember and battered by the cops for stuff I never did but also got away with stuff I probably should have got a slap for. I got over it and I don't bear any grudges. I treat the Police with the respect they deserve at the particular time, some earn it some do not.

I get stereotyped all the time because of what I am and try not to do that to others and certainly not the Emergency Services and Armed Forces.
 
Tigger.ufo said:
Excellent!

Now it is the governments fault :clap:

....why don't you move if you hate it so much?
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aye, but it's the Government of a suburb in Aberdeen. OP wants to be a sheepy :D
 
ghoti said:
"The police should ignore the kinds of dangerous crimes that I enjoy committing and concentrate on the crimes of others..." - ST4
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Can you please explain why my crime bares any part of this thread. We are talking of the OPs potential crime, not mine. We then talked about this dump of a city infested with drug users, dealers, hooligans are rioters. I fail to see why I even come into it.

Please enlighten me.
 
daugirdas said:
I am in a month or two... just looking for a place well north of the dump.
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b****r off, we don't want you up here, we've enough lunatics already :D
 
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BRASH said:
I've been on the wrong side of the law more times than I can remember and battered by the cops for stuff I never did but also got away with stuff I probably should have got a slap for. I got over it and I don't bear any grudges. I treat the Police with the respect they deserve at the particular time, some earn it some do not.

I get stereotyped all the time because of what I am and try not to do that to others and certainly not the Emergency Services and Armed Forces.
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That is wonderful, but how is it relevant?
 
dod said:
aye, but it's the Government of a suburb in Aberdeen. OP wants to be a sheepy :D
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That's enough of that kinda talk if yeh dinna' mind:D. I doubt even the sheep would entertain the OP.:rolleyes:
 
ST4 said:
Can you please explain why my crime bares any part of this thread. We are talking of the OPs potential crime, not mine. We then talked about this dump of a city infested with drug users, dealers, hooligans are rioters. I fail to see why I even come into it.

Please enlighten me.
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As a person who proudly drives dangerously you're just as responsible for making the country a more dangerous place as the yobs and hooligans you purport to hate.
You're in the same moral category - a selfish criminal.
 
Can we get back to waiting for the OP's head to explode, that is much more fun and I'm running a book :lol:
 
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