Given the choice which mirror less would you buy - About £550 to spend

Which one

  • Panny GX85

    Votes: 3 25.0%

  • Sony A6000

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • OLYMPUS E-M10 Mark II

    Votes: 4 33.3%
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Been looking to get a new mirrorless camera. Budget is about £550

Its seems to me looking at reviews I have 2 maybe three choices.

Panasonic GX85
OLYMPUS E-M10 Mark II
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Sony a6000

The camera is for general use, holidays taking both photos and videos.

They all get very good reviews, the Sony is the oldest but within budget, the Olympus is supposed to just OK video quality and the Panny is not very fast re autofocus with video.

So which would you buy. (Please do not suggest a DSLR as I have one)
 
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Good question, I would say 70% photo and 30% video if that helps
 
2nd hand X-T1.
 
a used Sony A6000 should allow you to buy a lens within your budget too.
 
As much as i like my A6000 because of the lack of new lenses for the apsc line for years id go with Fuji today. Then again i dont shoot video so.....
 
I have the Sony A6000 as a travel camera and it's decent, larger sensor than the other 2 so handles noise a little better. Good for fast action too at 11FPS and better focusing system than the OMD.

The Sony does have a limited lens line-up unfortunately but the 10-18, 16-70 and most of the primes are good quality...for video the kit lens or 18-105 is probably a decent choice with powered zoom, the kit lens has quite a bit of distortion but corrected well in-camera.

Simon
 
A good, used Fuji X-T10 can be had well under budget (such as on MPB).

In fact you should be able to get an X-T10 and the fab 18-55mm 2.8-4 in budget.
 
I don't agree that Sony has limited lenses since FF lenses are also usable on the bodies. Sony had more APS-C e-mount lenses than canon does for EF-S.
But some APS-C e-mount lenses are terribad :p
 
Another happy user of the A6000 for when travelling.

I have the A6000, 16-50 kit, 55-210 and 50 f/1.8, plus a MK-320 flash - it all fits in a small shoulder bag that's light enough to carry all day without problems.

I use mine 95%+ for stills, so can't really comment on video, other than it seems to give decent results when I do use it (but I've not much to compare it against).

As already mentioned, the 16-50 has a fair amount of distortion, but in-camera Jpeg corrects for this, as does Lightroom lens correction with RAW, so it's not really an issue.

Handles ISO 1600 with minimal noise, ISO 3200 is still quite usable.
 
Nod said:
2nd hand X-T1.
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Me too, I'm in love with this thing apart from the lock on the ISO dial :

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That's one of the things that helped persuade me to upgrade to the X-T2 - the dials can be locked or left easy to adjust.
 
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ukaskew said:
A good, used Fuji X-T10 can be had well under budget (such as on MPB).

In fact you should be able to get an X-T10 and the fab 18-55mm 2.8-4 in budget.
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+1 for the Fuji X-T10, the Fuji 'X' range are terrific cameras and as said, you could get a cracking lens to go with it. I just got mine from the Fuji refurb shop with 35mm f1.4 lens for your budget and am very pleased with it.

I've had Sony a6000, Panasonic G8 & Oly e-m1 and the Fuji is the winner. The jpegs are amazing straight out of camera plus you have RAW as well.
 
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nandbytes said:
I don't agree that Sony has limited lenses since FF lenses are also usable on the bodies. Sony had more APS-C e-mount lenses than canon does for EF-S.
But some APS-C e-mount lenses are terribad :p
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But they are er lenses not apsc and as you say yourself.........
A6000 is and excellent camera but out of my three lenses two are third party, 12mm samyang and 60mm sigma. Im considering the 55mm Sony but looking around it seems to be outperformed by the way cheaper sigma. I'd like true apsc lenses not ff that performs better on ff cameras.
 
soeren said:
But they are er lenses not apsc and as you say yourself.........
A6000 is and excellent camera but out of my three lenses two are third party, 12mm samyang and 60mm sigma. Im considering the 55mm Sony but looking around it seems to be outperformed by the way cheaper sigma. I'd like true apsc lenses not ff that performs better on ff cameras.
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The Sony 55mm f1.8 is a fantastic lens and I'd be interested in knowing in what ways the Sigma 60mm f2.8 outperforms it.

My guess is it doesn't.

I doubt that the Sony 55mm is on the OP's list though as it'll blow the budget.

Anyway. Has anyone recommended the GX85 yet? I have one and it's a good camera with a ho-hum EVF. Nice touches are the lovely quiet shutter and the ability to let the camera switch between electronic and mechanical shutters automatically. I use a Olympus 17mm f1.8 on mine but another good choice is the excellent Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8 which is just about permanently mounted on my other MFT body, a GX7. I don't know what lenses would fit the target budget but there are occasionally some very good deals available on the GX85.

For a number of reasons I'd swerve Fuji and head for an A6xxx or MFT camera and if going MFT I'd take a look at the GX80/85 as these RF style cameras are compact and quite capable.
 
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One question, why a mirrorless? Have you thought about an advanced Point and shoot, something like the Sony Rx100, the mark iii is within budget with possible a little stretch to the iv or the Panasonic LX100, small enough to slip into a pocket
 
soeren said:
But they are er lenses not apsc and as you say yourself.........
A6000 is and excellent camera but out of my three lenses two are third party, 12mm samyang and 60mm sigma. Im considering the 55mm Sony but looking around it seems to be outperformed by the way cheaper sigma. I'd like true apsc lenses not ff that performs better on ff cameras.
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Yes i agree with you, it'd be nice to have good APS-C specific lenses.

In case FE35 and FE55 both works really well on A6000 (I know because I simultaneously owned both A7 and A6000 once upon a time). In fact FE35 is as sharp wide open as 35mm/1.8 OSS is stopped down at f/2.8.

If you think about it logically an APS-C sensor is only making use of the centre part of the lens' image circle i.e. the best part. So any corner softness would not be picked up when used on an APS-C sensor.

Even canon and nikon who support both APS-C and FF formats mostly provide FF lenses and expect people to use the same on APS-C. At least on Sony you have small, fast APS-C 24mm, 35mm and 50mm primes (latter two with OSS). Nothing like that on canon EF-S for example ;)

Not saying that's the right way of doing things but it is what it is.
 
nandbytes said:
Yes i agree with you, it'd be nice to have good APS-C specific lenses.

In case FE35 and FE55 both works really well on A6000 (I know because I simultaneously owned both A7 and A6000 once upon a time). In fact FE35 is as sharp wide open as 35mm/1.8 OSS is stopped down at f/2.8.

If you think about it logically an APS-C sensor is only making use of the centre part of the lens' image circle i.e. the best part. So any corner softness would not be picked up when used on an APS-C sensor.

Even canon and nikon who support both APS-C and FF formats mostly provide FF lenses and expect people to use the same on APS-C. At least on Sony you have small, fast APS-C 24mm, 35mm and 50mm primes (latter two with OSS). Nothing like that on canon EF-S for example ;)

Not saying that's the right way of doing things but it is what it is.
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I own a 7D mk1 and sony NEX5R both of which a APSC sensor cameras.
One is dslr the other mirrorless.

I have 4 lens for the canon of which 3 are FF.
Main reason being there is not any decent top quality canon glass for 7D.
Sony do make some reasonable glass for there APSC cameras now. Plus IQ can be improved in post.
When i travel light it is the NEX5R i take with me. Ihave a 16mm f2.8, 18-55 f3.5-4.5, and 70-210 oss f3.5-4.5 and a sony mic.
Video is great, stills are great the sound is reasonable.
I am sure on newer sony alpha 6000 range cameras the dynamic range and IQ is better than my old NEX5R.
 
ChrisHeathcote said:
One question, why a mirrorless? ...
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I'm always wary of these which is best threads but this was my question too, as depending on the reason the answer could be very different.

If keeping your DSLR, do you really want another FF or APS system?

woof woof said:
Anyway. Has anyone recommended the GX85 yet? ... I'd take a look at the GX80/85 as these RF style cameras are compact and quite capable.
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This was the way I went...

While you can end up carrying as much kit as with a DSLR, MFT does give the option of much smaller bodies and lenses, which for travel can be a big win. Sure there are compromises, but are these a big deal for you, and if you are keeping the DSLR...

Another option could be to get a lower end DSLR with a kit lens; add a prime and you'd have something quite capable with the option of taking any of your existing lenses.
 
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