GingerWeasel - Documenting My Progress

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I don't want to be overly dramatic but today I feel like I'm starting out on a new journey but before I tell you about that I want to give you some of the history.

For the past few years I've had a very keen interest in photography as a spectator rather than as a photographer. Sure I take my own pictures and derive enjoyment from that but mainly I enjoyed looking at other peoples work. As part of that I stumbled upon talk photography about a year ago and decided to jump on in. I started to learn quite a lot just from reading old posts and getting involved in some new ones - people were always willing to help.

Unfortunately I was also caught up in the whole gadget side of photography, looking at new equipment, longing for some lovely big lenses (maybe a psychologist would read into that?). Before long I'd managed to rack up an impressive camera history for a beginner who still couldn't shoot in manual mode.

I started off with my Canon G10, moved quickly to the Nikon D300, then onto my first Panasonic GF1, followed by the Canon 7D, then by a second GF1. At best I was indecisive, at worst I was a total equipment whore ;)

The problem was that whilst I was rocketing through all this great equipment I wasn't actually taking any photographs. Looking around I think there is a lot of this going on across the forum, people get hung up on what they are using to take pictures rather than the pictures themselves (I'm not judging - it's easily done, I know).

Push forward to a few weeks ago and it hit me that I should be focusing on improving my photography rather than my kit bag. Whilst I'd owned all this great kit I had yet to produce a single image using manual control. I was also beginning to look at the business section of the forum and wonder if I could make it as a full time photographer - this was crazy I had no experience or skills which would justify thinking about this. Further more I didn't actually want to turn my hobby into a job!

So I decided to pull my finger out and start from the beginning, not looking at the finish line.

First I needed to decide on a camera system - and stick with it. Whatever I chose would have to last me a couple of years. This was not an easy call for someone who's gone through more cameras than David Bailey.

I knew that I'd have to pick something that I'd be happy with but more importantly something which I wouldn't grow out of (the last thing I needed was to start camera shopping again). For me I wanted to go full frame, I wanted outstanding detail, low light performance and a camera I couldn't blame for my rubbish images. So D700 or 5D MKII?

I skipped between the two for a while but finally decided on the Canon system. I found the lenses easy to understand and it seemed to have the variety I'd need down the line.

(Big thanks to DigitalRelish for allowing me to get hands on with his D700 - fab piece of kit)

So now I have chosen my kit it's time to get down to the business of taking photographs, learning about exposure, learning how to edit and process, and discovering what makes a good picture!

So what's the point of this thread??? Well I wanted somewhere to document my learning process, somewhere I could post my thoughts and pictures, issues and achievements (a bit of wishful thinking there) and i figured TP was much better than starting my own blog.

So as of today I have a few simple rules I'm going to apply to my routine (small steps and all):

The Rules

  • No more automatic mode, all images will be setup manually - finding the right balance between aperture, shutter speed and ISO.
  • Where I go, my camera goes. Seriously I'm going to take my camera everywhere, even to work.
  • No more equipment unless I find a need for it. As I gain experience I should know what I'm missing and can buy based on that rather than what I want.


To be continued .....
 
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Good luck with your project. I'll be following you along the way. Keep us updated!
 
Great to see some genuine ambition for better photographs instead of better gear. I'm probably guilty in a similar way to you. This thread is definitely worth subscribing to and keeping an eye on. How about a first photo to get the ball rolling?









I give it a month until your mind wanders back to the D700. Not because it's a better camera but because it's different. :D
 
I like this idea John and your approach.
In some ways I am similar to yourself except I have already done the full manual mode etc as back in the day I couldn't afford a camera with aperture priority for some years.

I too have found I had gotten the "gadget" bug as far as kit was concerned.
Taking stock over the last few weeks and helped by a chance windfall I made a few decisions and then went out to get the kit.
I blew nearly all my modest budget on the body I wanted, plus two prime lenses a 50mm and an 85mm both F1.8, bought a decentish flash gun and sorted a good tripod.
I have just ordered a large reflector, sorted a background (home made) and just have a softbox for the flash gun to get.
The gimmicky gear went in PX, I just hung on to my little G11.
Today I treated myself to a dirt cheap 55-200 macro telephoto just to play with when taking shots of the moths in here (Oh I forgot to mention I'm bedbound )

So far I have found myself more happy with a nifty fifty on my 500D than I ever was swapping and changing zooms and macro's on the old set up.

I guess the moral of both our stories is at some point its a good thing to take a step back and a long hard critical look at what we are doing, then make the changes we need.

I look forward to reading this as your journey progresses.
 
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Where I go, my camera goes. Seriously I'm going to take my camera everywhere, even to work

I do exactly that, but my DSLR isn't really practical for every day commuting to work, so for that I use my compact camera, which also has full manual controls.

No more automatic mode, all images will be setup manually - finding the right balance between aperture, shutter speed and ISO.

I wouldn't be too hasty to dismiss the automatic mode! After all, you've got the technology, so why not use it?

I use manual whenever possible, as I'm still at the bottom of a steep learning curve, but there are times when auto comes into its own. For instance, on a camping/boating holiday with a non togging friend recently, we visited a rather nice restored steam railway.

He would rapidly have lost patience if I'd spent time fiddling with settings for every shot during the day! Instead I set the camera to take both RAW and jpeg, and left it on automatic, trusting that I could rescue any disasters later!

You have admirable aims, and I'll follow your journey with interest!

Janet
 
Yesterday I received part of my kit order - the 5D MKII and the 24-105L kit lens. I was very excited about this having been without a camera for at least two weeks now.

As I've posted elsewhere on TP fate seemed to have a few giggles at my expense during those two weeks. The first being a missed opportunity to capture some up close images of a house under siege by a group of armed police officers. The story made all of the regional papers and I was in a much better position than the press photographer on the scene. The second being the Duchess of Cornwall walking past my front room window (something that you don't see very often in Liverpool).

Anyhow having my camera has made me very happy.

I've also recieved the books I ordered to help me learn - the first being 'Understanding Exposure' by Bryan Peterson, and the second being 'Composition' by David Prakel (I will have to get my nose stuck into these books this week).

I figured that now I have opened the camera I need to take some pictures (albeit running a bit blind at the moment). However true to my word I put the camera in manual mode and snapped away some shots (most of which were nothing more than a block of black or a block of white). I fumbled through by adjusting the shutter speed until I got an image I could see ;)

Here is one of those first shots (exposure number 40 to be exact):

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Exposure Details

Camera: Canon 5D MKII
Lens: Canon 24-105L
Focal length: 105mm
Shutter Speed: 1/20
Aperture: 5.6
ISO: 400

Description

CupCake our troublesome kitten was also very happy with our delivery. She loved playing in the 5D box and rolling in the polystyrene foam.

Processing

I had to straighten the image as the line of the box was slanting slightly to the right, this meant I had to make a crop to cut off the white space created by the photoshop rotation. I also applied a cross colour look by playing with the contrast and colour curves. Finally I added a text layer to place a watermark on the image (which I need to work on, some of the ones on TP look awesome).

To Be Continued ...
 
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Great thread John , I will be following your progress with interest as I too have decided to try and get serious , first step was the purchase of a canon 1d mark2 - no more auto to fall back on :'( , but it makes you have to get down to the nitty gritty of understanding exposure and the such .
all the best
david
 
Excellent way of doing things, and something that mirrors my own photographic journey very much.
I too have chased the gear and never took a step back to really keep my photographic candle burning.....

I would advise thinking about this book too

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Within-Fram...=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280694065&sr=8-3

Comes highly recommended by a few people, and gives you help in learning how to 'see' photographs.

Oh and depending on your own knowledge, get Understanding Exposure too :)
 
Oh and depending on your own knowledge, get Understanding Exposure too :)

You mean the one he just received? :thinking:

;)

I'll be following you, John, and am interested in where your journey takes you. I had my own epiphany recently, but that was more to do with 'ah, so THAT'S how this aperture thing works' so I suspect I am lagging a little behind you! I do 'get' the composition and rule of thirds thing though so feel I can muddle through until I manage to 'get' sharp and in focus shots!

Enjoy your journey and make sure you take the rest of us who are following along with you! :)


(Edited to change gingerweasel to John - somewhat embarrassed that I forgot your name and 'real name' doesn't show once you are on 'reply'!!)
 
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  • No more equipment unless I find a need for it. As I gain experience I should know what I'm missing and can buy based on that rather than what I want.

I think this should be a sticky note in the Equipment subforum ;)

FWIW, I bought my 5D in 2006 with the clear intention of keeping it for at least five years. As yet, I've found no reason to amend that decision. Upgradeitis can be avoided.

edit: although I have lately been indulging my gearhead side with a lot of cheap film kit :D
 
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Okay a quick update on my progress. First of all I'm ploughing through 'Understanding Exposure' and it's proving a real eye opener. The first couple of pages had me wondering what the hell this guy was talking about but I started to catch on to what he was saying and couldn't put it down. I have a few excerise images I'll be posting in a day or so.

I've also been playing with my new camera to get a feel for the settings. First thing to go was the auto ISO, how annoying is that! Then I added my copyright information so it will be embed in all of my images automatically from now on :thumbs:

Bigger news is that the final piece of my kit arrived today - the Sigma 50mm f1.4. I couldn't wait to get home and have a play.


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Exposure Details

Camera: Canon 5D MKII
Lens: Canon Sigma 50mm f1.4
Focal length: 50mm
Shutter Speed: 1/80
Aperture: 1.4
ISO: 200

Description

CupCake was still playing with the box from my 5D delivery (it's her new favourite toy) so I decided to take some shots. After 15 minutes she really got fed up of me mumbling 'keep still'.

Processing

I applied a cross colour look by playing with the contrast and colour curves and I added a text layer to place a watermark on the image.

** lesson learnt ** fast moving objects = increase your dam shutter speed.

I should have increased my ISO and pushed a faster shutter speed as most of my images that looked sharp on the 3" LCD are actually blur on closer inspection. This was probably the best, and passed for sharp when downsized.





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I see my sales pitch for the D700 didn't work then, John :lol:

How are you finding the Sigma? I find the f/1.4 to be great, but it's not always easy to nail the focus.

Well done so far. I'm liking what I see. :thumbs: Keeping the images simple, but with interest to hold the eye. The first shot's really nice, but I'm not surprised you had trouble with that exposure. Black kitten surrounded by light browns and creams!

My personal opinion of manual mode is that if it's right for the situation then I'll use it. I wouldn't force myself to use it when aperture priority or any of the other modes would be better at helping to yield the 'best' image which I would deem more important than how it was shot. The cameras, lenses, etc they're just the means to an end.
 
Going to full manual was the best thing I did, nothing quite like getting out of the comfort zone to really learn something.

Sounds like you're really comitted to your new philosophy and I think you'll do really well, just keeping the blog updated will help to keep you focused too. Nothing quite like TP to keep you honest!!
 
Going to follow this thread with great interest, I've been photographing for years but being made redundant whilst expecting my son has forced me to turn a sometimes profitable obsession into my career so now I feel obliged to really get under the skin of every bit of kit I own!
 
I see my sales pitch for the D700 didn't work then, John :lol:

So close, I went to the local camera shop to buy one but they had sold their stock (which they had the day before). It really was such a close call between the two it didn't really matter which.

How are you finding the Sigma? I find the f/1.4 to be great, but it's not always easy to nail the focus.

I love it, the camera feels so light with it on and it really forces me to think about an image not being able to zoom. This weekend will give me more time to play with it.

One thing I do need to practice more is my focusing, at the moment I am using the centre AF point to lock focus then I recompose. Maybe not great at f1.4?

My personal opinion of manual mode is that if it's right for the situation then I'll use it. I wouldn't force myself to use it when aperture priority or any of the other modes would be better at helping to yield the 'best' image which I would deem more important than how it was shot. The cameras, lenses, etc they're just the means to an end.

I think manual mode is helping me to understand the relationship between aperture, shutter speed and ISO. Once I'm comfortable with that I may ease off and use aperture and shutter priority when it's helpful.

try zooming in on the rear lcd ;)

I've started using this today - does this make me a chimper?

More pictures and updates this weekend :)


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John, I have also done something similar to you. After almost 5 years of owning an SLR, I have banned myself from using the auto mode whenever possible. I have to say I have learned so much in the last month and i am actually enjoying my photography again. There are lots of tutorials on the web too which i have found very helpful. I will be following this thread to see how you get on. :)
 
It's been a busy weekend for me but more importantly a productive one. I've managed to visit a local photographic exhibition, go on my first real walkabout with the 5D and photograph Liverpool's first ever gay pride parade.

The photographic exhibition was being hosted by 'The Fab Collective' a liverpool based photograph club who seem a really nice bunch of people. I always enjoy looking at other peoples work and taking a view through their eyes for that brief moment when the shutter is opened. My favourite image on display was of a street artist spray painting a wall (titled the streets are my canvas). Sadly I don't recall the photographers name but I will find out.

Once I'd finished looking at the images and having a good old chin wag with the photographers I headed off to shoot some images at the parade. The first order of business was to swap my 50mm for the 24-105, I figured this would be more flexible for what I wanted.

I have to admit it was at this point that I broke (or bent depending on your viewpoint) one of my rules - I dropped manual mode. It's not as bad as it sounds though, I didn't switch back to automatic mode but relied on aperture priority. Having spent a few minutes shooting it was obvious that I couldn't set the aperture, shutter speed, focal length at the same time as focusing and recomposing. I was missing shots...

I have to say I found the experience really exciting. things were happening so quickly I had to really think on my feet, I found myself guessing at where people would move to and setting the focal length based on that. I also found that I soon lost my shyness, I was jumping right in and snapping away. At one point I made my way through a large crowd (no so much pushing but certainly forcing my way through) to get to the front of the concert stage. Once there I headed for the centre of what looked like a press line, held my ground and snapped away - totally gob smacked. I'm normally the type of person who ends up at the back of a line whilst apologising to ever jerk who's pushing past me.

I had some technical issues with focus but I'll save them for a later post. Here are two shots from the day:

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Exposure Details

Camera: Canon 5D MKII
Lens: Canon Canon 24-105mm f4
Focal length: 82mm
Shutter Speed: 1/400
Aperture: 4.0
ISO: 200

Description

I was making my way through to Bold Street where the main party seemed to be happening. There was a number of people handing out flyers for the local clubs. A photographer had asked a young women who was carrying a rainbow flag to stop and pose when one of the colourful flyer chaps walked up and jumped into the picture. I raised my camera and he looked straight at me. Sadly I didn't focus well so the larger image is soft around his face.

Processing

I used lightroom (more info in future posts) to recover the blow areas of the exposure and the fill the underexposed areas.


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Exposure Details

Camera: Canon 5D MKII
Lens: Canon Canon 24-105mm f4
Focal length: 58mm
Shutter Speed: 1/500
Aperture: 4.0
ISO: 200

Description

I was making my way through down Bold Street when a rather attractive women on stilts was making her way towards me. I stopped and changed focal length to predict where she was going then snapped off two shots. She was kind enough to notice and smile :)

Processing

I used lightroom (more info in future posts) to recover the blow areas of the exposure and the fill the underexposed areas. I also applied a slight vignette to draw the eye to the centre of the frame.





Progress on the book has been slow but only because I've been spending more time practicing what I've already read about.

One thing I have been using more (to be honest I didn't even realise it was a feature before) is the cameras built-in light meter. This has been a big help but I have noticed one thing which my book hasn't touched on yet - getting a good exposure across the whole image can be very difficult. From what I can tell the camera takes an exposure reading based on the AF point, but if that's a dark top and all around it is bright blue sky then my exposure will be off. More research needed ....
 
Interesting thread, I think we've all been guilty of chasing after gear we don't need at some point, although I find it odd that you felt the need to upgrade from a 7D, I tink that's a camera on a lot of people's wish list.

I still have a 40D as my good camera and although earlier this year I was considering upgrading to either the 7D/5D Mk II I've decided to stick with the 40D for a little while longer, as I genuinely don't think I've out grown it yet.

When I get kit lust I usually go and look at some of the Flickr groups for the kit I have and that's enough to remind me that stunning photos are possibly with what I already own.

The colours look a bit flat on the last two, they might benefit from a Curves adjustment. :)
 
It's been a couple of days since my last update so I figured I'd write a short update on my progress. I haven't had much chance to read so I'm still stuck on the same page I'd previously been reading... more attention needed in this area I think.

I have however been managing to take plenty of pictures and I found the time to snap this shot on my way to work this Friday.

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Exposure Details

Camera: Canon 5D MKII
Lens: Sigma 50mm f1.4
Focal length: 50mm
Shutter Speed: 1/100
Aperture: 2.8
ISO: 100

Description

I was on my way to work snapping away when I saw this lonely little fella. It struck me as a touch of life in an otherwise dull environment and the barbed wire added an extra depth to the composition.

It's a shame about the house in the background but the aperture helped to isolate the subject and blur out everything else.

Processing

I used lightroom to create a pleasing crop and add a bit of punch to the image - including increased contrast and adjustments to the tonal curve.






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It's easy to see that by just lurking and seeing other people's photo's you've got the eye for photography and now the gear. Just put the two together and your off!
 
Good for you for reeling yourself in a bit - we could all do with that every now and again!

One thing you might want to consider is setting yourself a project to work on. I took part in the TP 52 last year and it was really helpful in making me try new things and having to learn more about my camera. I have tried a couple of personal projects this year but I've definately lacked direction in comparison to last year.
 
Not much to report, been snapping away trying to understand the camera more and trying to move my pictures from snapshots to something more.

Had a family trip to freshfield red squirrel reserve yesterday and shot a ton of images. One thing I did notice was that when trying to give an infinite depth of field (f22, lens focus to infinity) my images had a good depth of field but were not razor sharp across the frame.

I also had some trouble in lightroom due to the in camera settings for light adjustment, this led me to believe my exposure was good but when viewing the RAW files I had underexposed :-(

All sorted now.

Here are a few of the shots (All EXIF is in place)

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I really like this one despite the messy hair. We tried something a little different to the usual portrait poses.

One thing I am noticing is the weight of the camera kit, my shoulders are killing me, lol



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love the final shot. I see how in your composition you were limited by the positioning of the AF points, never be afraid to crop in post. I think this image would be improved by cropping in a little from the top left.

Also I think the focus is more on the hair than the eye which would improve it.
 
Just a quick word of advice regarding f stop. You say you went to f22 and found the image wasn't as sharp as expected, well you don't want to use a narrower aperture than f11 on a crop body (that's the 7D,40D,500Detc...) and f16 on full frame (5D,5DmkIIetc...) Any narrower than these and you get what's called diffraction, which will degrade your image. I won't bother going into the techical details regarding that, but try and keep wider than f16 if possible. If you need less light entering the camera, i.e a very bright beach, just up the shutter speed for desired effect.
 
A nice thread, John - and one to watch, for sure. It's great having your camera with you at all times [although the nature of my work means that's impossible for me, I'm jealous of those who can!]

I'm not as religious as you when it comes to manual mode - I use Aperture priority or Shutter priority in conjunction with exposure compensation - dependent upon the desired end result, and have no qualms about using Auto-ISO. As I see it, I paid extra money to own a camera with the latest exposure metering technology and ISO-enabled sensor - why not use it? There are a few manual mode evangelists around here, but they use AF on their lenses, which seems an interesting contradiction to me... Still, I have used manual mode as a teaching aid, and it's fun and educational, so I tip my hat and I'm enjoying the images you're posting.

A heads-up - at the moment, Rankin is holding a street exhibition in Liverpool on Renshaw street - and I'm planning on popping down one morning this week. Might be worth your while aswell?
 
Just a quick word of advice regarding f stop. You say you went to f22 and found the image wasn't as sharp as expected, well you don't want to use a narrower aperture than f11 on a crop body (that's the 7D,40D,500Detc...) and f16 on full frame (5D,5DmkIIetc...) Any narrower than these and you get what's called diffraction, which will degrade your image. I won't bother going into the techical details regarding that, but try and keep wider than f16 if possible. If you need less light entering the camera, i.e a very bright beach, just up the shutter speed for desired effect.

Thanks Luke, I didn't know that. Like I said the picture has great depth of field and things are in focus, just not very sharp like I wanted. Will keep your advice in mind :thumbs:

A heads-up - at the moment, Rankin is holding a street exhibition in Liverpool on Renshaw street - and I'm planning on popping down one morning this week. Might be worth your while aswell?

I didn't know that, thanks for the heads up. I'm off work this week so I will definitely take a wonder down there.





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This is pretty inspiring, especially since i'm recognising myself in some of this... ahem :)

Keep up the good work John

Tim
 
Thanks Luke, I didn't know that. Like I said the picture has great depth of field and things are in focus, just not very sharp like I wanted.

Every lens is slightly different. I've found it to be f8 to f11ish on the 24-105 (and on a 5D mkii). Beyond 16 you would only use in a situation where you really, really need to stop light getting in - it affects IQ quite a lot. And ideally you'd avoid that by using an ND filter, really.
 
I have to admit I'm struggling at the moment, carrying this kit around is a major drag and is getting to me a bit. I guess that's the price you have to pay for quality!

Dreaming of my poor GF1 :(
 
This is a really interesting thread John, and I wish you every success with your journey. I think there are all bits on here that we recognise in ourselves!! I love new gear, but life has forced a change on me now, so no more. I do wonder about a GF1 though!!
 
Guess it's back to the GF1 then John? Is this the end of this thread?

I am currently looking for a good micro 4/3 camera system - not sure whether it's Olympus (love the styling) or the trusty old GF1. Either way it will be in the hope that a new version is released before the end of the year with a builtin electronic viewfinder.

Other than my camera equipment nothing should change, I'm still very much motivated to take great pictures and want to learn to do it properly. This thread will continue to document my ever move good and bad, and will no doubt show how flakey I am when it comes to sticking to a camera :)

I have really enjoyed documenting my efforts here and with any luck will keep doing so for months if not years :)

Well spotted by the way!
 
John,

Are you going to keep the 5Dmk2 as well as have a MFT system?

I'm just wondering what's going to keep you from going in circles with regards to your gear because if you go back to MFT only then aren't you just going to be faced with the same issues you had last time around?

If money's not a problem then maybe consider having the two systems?
 
I have to admit I'm struggling at the moment, carrying this kit around is a major drag and is getting to me a bit. I guess that's the price you have to pay for quality!

Dreaming of my poor GF1 :(

That is the exact reason I just purchased a GF1. I was getting sick to the back teeth of lugging an SLR and lens around all the time. I might have the bag for it but it was tiresome. I've done it for about 5 years now.

For me the GF1 was a revalation. Suddenly I have a camera that I can actually controll like my SLR - but is not much bigger than a compact. It is the best I could get for a day to day camera - and since I only have the 20mm pancake it is getting me thinking about photography again.

Result.
 
John, I totally understand your struggle...I am on a similar journey to you but have to carry it around with my two kids (2yrs and 5months) in tow so I rarely have the opportunity to get all the kit out and take the shots I want with the SLR because of time and weight restrictions... however I always have my TZ7 in my handbag...just a P&S but I love knowing I never have to miss a shot... photography is not just about the kit you have...it's about you seeing the hsot in your head...in front of you...and finding a way to capture it. Sometimes an artist only has a pencil to hand...he draws a sketch and goes back for more later when he's got all his paints and canvases... think of your GF1 or whatever you end up having as your sketch book and your SLR as the paints and canvas if you know what I mean!
 
I wouldn't get too hung up on the camera, most important is you keep to your core goals which are learning more about how the exposure works, and of course getting out there and taking lots of photos, which ultimately is the only way you learn. If a GF1 allows you to continue that learning process great.

maybe a more realistic number of times a week \ weekend you take out the camera might be best as well, too much of anything all the time in this life in no good for anyone.

Good luck and keep the thread going, I am in the same boat and your post have given me the required kick up the **** to re-evaluate what I am doing!

Al
 
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