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How come there's no discussion about this situation on the forum?
 
*sigh* lol. But seriously. Are people afraid of discussing this like it's some sort of taboo?
 
Another pointless war feed by bloomin religion no doubt
 
KayJay said:
How come there's no discussion about this situation on the forum?
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I would imagine that is because no-one has started talking about it yet

Oh wait... I see what you did there... ;)
 
LOL. I don't think it's us who needs to be talking. :D
 
KayJay said:
*sigh* lol. But seriously. Are people afraid of discussing this like it's some sort of taboo?
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Not a taboo as far as I'm concerned, but it comes down to religion and that's a :nono: subject for discussion...
 
i didnt even know it was going on till tonight. havnt followed the news recently
 
Ashers said:
i didnt even know it was going on till tonight. havnt followed the news recently
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Not seen the news for decades?................:lol:
 
i knew about the fighting in the past i didnt know they had gone back to full scale war
 
You guys!

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fabs said:
For eight years! :eek:



Nope, it's about a country getting fed up with having rockets fired at it every day for years.
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Uh huh... the two things aren't related?
 
Firing rockets and the struggle between the two countries over land?
 
Politics/Religion threads have no place on a photography forum really, as there will always be arguments. Its that simple really.
 
matty said:
Politics/Religion threads have no place on a photography forum really, as there will always be arguments. Its that simple really.
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Maybe you should change the name of "Out of Focus" to something like "Out of Focus except Politics and Religion" :razz:
 
KayJay said:
This particular conflict isn't about religion though, it's about land.
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It is all about race and religion. Jews settled in Isreal afterthe last war and were eventually given independance from british rule after fighting a gorilla war(akin to Northern Ireland).

They formed a very strong state with the help of the USA and under threat from the surrounding Arab nations, quickly became a strong militarily capable country - for self preservation. Remember over 4 million jews had only just been murdered then by the Nazis - not up for debate!

The surrounding Arab nations - with a hatred for all things jewish and a Jewish nation with no capability of compromise and a strong desire to keep their new country alive became enemies. Muslims v's Jews = religion

Conflicts came and went in the 50's but the 7 day war in the 70's topped it all and that is when Isreal expanded and took the gaa strip and golan heights to name but a few lands that they say they needed to stay safe and had belonged to the surrounding nations.

To present day and seeing as how Iran and Iraq are now not trying to kill each other, as they were in the 80's - The Shah got sacked. remember the embassy seige in london and the US embassy in Iran - post revolution. Isreal a strong country that took land from others. The minority muslim and even chritian non-jews want there land to revert back to its original owners - Its just not going to happen, for these over simplified reasons any many more complicated ones.

IMO for what its worth , its destined to be a never ending situation. Islam is a huge religion and seems to be used as an excuse to hate Jews. Orthodox jews seem to think they are the superior race and behave as such, with the added history of perscution, they feel justofoed to act defensively. Living in the chosen land, surrounded by countries who want them all dead, I have sympathy for Isreal. But, ther are no clear right and wrong lines to be drawn for both sides to agree on, other than killing innocent people is so wrong whatever their race or religion.
 
hiddybiddy, though I agree with you to a large extent about the religious side of things, I still think the main focus of this ongoing conflict is land. The people of Palestine see the Israelis as occupying their land. They're not primarily firing rockets at the Israels because they are Jewish but because they want to liberate their land. You said it yourself right?
The minority muslim and even chritian non-jews want there land to revert back to its original owners
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I'm not an expert on this situation but I'd like to learn a bit more about it.
 
KayJay said:
hiddybiddy, though I agree with you to a large extent about the religious side of things, I still think the main focus of this ongoing conflict is land. The people of Palestine see the Israelis as occupying their land. They're not primarily firing rockets at the Israels because they are Jewish but because they want to liberate their land. You said it yourself right?

I'm not an expert on this situation but I'd like to learn a bit more about it.
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Yep I did say it and it is a reason but I do feel it is an over sinmplficationof the issue. There is always a root cause to any problem and whenyou strip all the rubbish out of the way. The reason the lands are occupied wasn't greed, oil, a need to expand(maybe), or becasue they wanted to provoke a war. IT boils down to the clash of two religions, its just that the minority region has the majority of technically superior weaponary and the support of the majority of western countries, whilst the arab nations involved side together. I see it that way as the USA have a sigificant powerful jewish lobby in the senate and congress and even though it rubs the saudi's up the wrong way , the US still support Isreal. Mind you the Saudis have too many skeletons in their closet to be too pious - funding terrorisim on the sly etc.

We all side with someone or something for a core reason even if we dress it up as something else. During the N.I conflict which was a sectarian conflict that transformed into orgaised criminalty using religion as an excuse, but religion was the catalyst.

Maybe the middle east has eventually evolved that way too. I don't know what with the crusades, the otterman empire, and lest face nt even Lawrence of Arabia wanted to stay after his work was done.

Friction comes from culture differences. i was in Saudi in the first gulf war and to see men walking around holding hands and finding out that men had sex with younger men and that was for fun, women were only for having babies was just the way it way, but they would chop off a kids hand for pinching an apple, or kill their own sister for talking to a strange man without a shaperone is all a bit bazzare to me. But looking through their eyes at us I'm sure, in fact I kow thaey find it just as infuriating. I know I digress a little but culure is driven by religion in old countries races from the middle east. Us english are newbies and Isreal is still in nappies in terms of a nations age. So I fear we have a long way to evolve before things change. I dunno maybe paul Macartney will write a song and som e plona of a film star or celeb might offer an instant fix. Remeber all Band aid did was make bob geldof a very rich man after being on the bones of his skinny backside and thrust Peaches into our lives. Maybe she could sort it out, mediate between the arabs and isrealis and then they would feel sorry for poor old England!
 
KayJay said:
Maybe you should change the name of "Out of Focus" to something like "Out of Focus except Politics and Religion" :razz:
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or maybe not, my forum, my rules. :D

In general internet etiquette, discussions of this nature are avoided. ive modded on 2 other forums and have been a member of many more, only 1 of those had active discussions on religion/politics, and that always ended in a thread lock

Im all for learning, google is your friend for research, but the hassle and crap that goes with these threads is not something we want here:thumbs:
 
Message received loud and clear. :'( But I know what you mean. I've got a ban on BNP topics on my forum.
 
KayJay said:
Message received loud and clear. :'( But I know what you mean. I've got a ban on BNP topics on my forum.
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So you're fair and objective on your forum and let all sides put their view over......except those you disagree with? :thinking: :thumbs:

hiddybiddy said:
It is all about race and religion. Jews settled in Isreal afterthe last war and were eventually given independance from british rule after fighting a gorilla war(akin to Northern Ireland).
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There's nothing more dangerous than a large primate with a gun :lol:

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And besides, pro and anti BNP threads are banned from it.
 
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