Full frame or not.

[JSER]

Probably not the frame rate. But the IQ will certainly be better than the 50 currently used with our L glass. Not only that, but don't we all want the "next best thing" to what we currently have?

My wife an I strive to do better at photography, having the best kit we can afford will only help and not hinder. Nothing wrong with that is there?

Thanks for the comment though

Wrong. And I intend no disrespect. What car do you drive, would a £250k car not make you a better driver, no.

Roger Hicks uses a Breser film camera are you saying that despite his photography being above most of us he is worse off for not having the best most expensive available, if we all thought like that we would simply be keeping up with the Jonses.

Are you saying that My photography lacks because I don't have better equipment, if so that is an insult to my skill. I could pay cash for top Canon and L series lenses today, why would I not do so, because my photography is fine with what I have, I srive to be better with the camera I have, when I want a perfect landscape I will take my Bronny SQA.

It is as much if not more about the person behind the camera than the camera front of the person. Give a novice a top SLR and a pro a basic SLR and see who is better. Fine go for it, no argument here just don't falsely believe that better kit means a better photographer, it does not.

It is also horses for courses, as to what you use but please do not state that a better camera than a 50 makes a better photographer, look at people here who are superb with 50s, 400s and D3100s.

When will you want to upgrade again, when the now old 5D is replaced in less than 7 months.

 

[NOJ75]

May have not come across clearly in my last post. I did not mean to state that it would make me a better photographer at all. Although I do see how it reads like that. I am not naive to think that having pro kit would make me a pro. One thing I have learnt this year is that photography is far more than just pointing a camera and getting the perfect image.

I meant that the image quality is better, of that I have no doubt, and that no, I probably won't use it to it's fullest potential. But, for me and the wife, it is a nice to have.

I also agree that you could give a pro a disposable and his/her shots would still be better than mine. At no point was I insinuating that photographers with less expensive equipment are not as those who have it.

Personally I am a "gadget" man. I like all the new gadgets. When, in seven months, the 5D is replaced by the 5D 3, I will then probably buy that. It's a simple case of "I want my wife to have the best". Nothing more.

 

[Chris Primadona]

What 1 series do you have? Tbh, I've not noticed it either and think my d7000 easily compares to my D700.

Just the 1d mkIII, I was thinking about changing it to the mkIV recently but again there wasn't much in them both to justify it. So I'm waiting for the next 1d before I change again. I have access to a lot of camera bodies now (inc the 5dmkII, 7d and 50d) but the one I use most is the 1d, partly because of the images it produces and partly because of the way it handles and the little pro body perks
I notice much more of a difference swapping glass than I do swapping body.

 

[JSER]

May have not come across clearly in my last post. I did not mean to state that it would make me a better photographer at all. Although I do see how it reads like that. I am not naive to think that having pro kit would make me a pro. One thing I have learnt this year is that photography is far more than just pointing a camera and getting the perfect image.

I meant that the image quality is better, of that I have no doubt, and that no, I probably won't use it to it's fullest potential. But, for me and the wife, it is a nice to have.

I also agree that you could give a pro a disposable and his/her shots would still be better than mine. At no point was I insinuating that photographers with less expensive equipment are not as those who have it.

Personally I am a "gadget" man. I like all the new gadgets. When, in seven months, the 5D is replaced by the 5D 3, I will then probably buy that. It's a simple case of "I want my wife to have the best". Nothing more.

Remember me whan you want to sell the old one, buying from someone like you will guarantee I have the good little used camera, and I mean that.

Mind you I may be talking out of tern, to a certain extent, as I have two bikes, both built to my spec by the local shop, one is a Reynolds 853 steel frame http://sanderson-cycles.com/content/sanderson-life with XT gears and XT crankset, Rock shox air etc, so I do know that better can be "better" as some say £2k for a bike is OTT, my cheap shopper is £800.

There is another way to look at it, "you are a long time dead", make of life all you can, if you can afford it enjoy it.

 

[specialman]

It's a bigger sensor so you can take photos of people with really large heads more easily....

I take it that's a joke....

I have decided that if/when I return to DSLRs I'd like to go full-frame, if only to avoid having to do sums when I'm shopping for a new lens to work out how long it's going to be on my camera.

....now that's a reason I've not heard for a while. Good comeback

What do you think the benifit of FF for portraiture is?

Rendition of skin tones. There is a perceived quality crops are claimed not to have.

I wonder just how much truth there is in that. I know jack about sensor technology aside from the obvious stats (etc) but with bigger sensors giving cleaner images due to bigger photosites and all that jazz, does that advantage also apply to the tonal range those sensors can capture?

I know the old Fuji S5 was the darling of the wedding photographery scene because it seemed to capture skin tones and what-not better - I wonder if there is a distinct advantage with FF, especially when pitted against these high megapixel bodies like the 7D, where things really are at breaking point in terms of just how much can be squeezed from a 1.5/1.6x crop sensor....

 

[Paddysnapper]

Best of both worlds is it own both bodies

I entirely agree I have a Nikon D300 & Nikon D700

 

[NOJ75]

Remember me whan you want to sell the old one, buying from someone like you will guarantee I have the good little used camera, and I mean that.

Mind you I may be talking out of tern, to a certain extent, as I have two bikes, both built to my spec by the local shop, one is a Reynolds 853 steel frame http://sanderson-cycles.com/content/sanderson-life with XT gears and XT crankset, Rock shox air etc, so I do know that better can be "better" as some say £2k for a bike is OTT, my cheap shopper is £800.

There is another way to look at it, "you are a long time dead", make of life all you can, if you can afford it enjoy it.

There you have it then. Does your upgraded bike make you a better rider? In some cases yes it will. If I am doing some downhill using some cheap breaks chances are I am going to start kissing trees. With my Juicys though I have the stopping power I need. I have also spent £4k + on my bikes. Did I need to? No, but god they were nice to ride. Did I get full use out of them? No, I had an crash and snapped my knee and had to sell up. Oh well, on to the next hobby that will costume way too much money. But this ones shared by the wife.

As per the last part of your post. Enjoy what you can

 

[NOJ75]

I entirely agree I have a Nikon D300 & Nikon D700

Originally Posted by jonneymendoza
Best of both worlds is it own both bodies


I agree. A 5D II with a 50D as back up isn't a bad little set up at all

 

[JSER]

As I said horses for courses, 5d 3.9 fps is no good for nature photography.

I would hate to try this on a 5d, possible yes, but that is why we all have our own reasons for buying what we do, I want FPS not larger sensor, I also want the 1.5 crop factor.

 

[JSER]

Originally Posted by jonneymendoza
Best of both worlds is it own both bodies


I agree. A 5D II with a 50D as back up isn't a bad little set up at all

"Setup" two cameras don't make a setup, they make two cameras.

And like all things you can only use one at a time!

I would prefer one camera, lenses, flash, gimals etc, that is a setup.

 

[NOJ75]

"Setup" two cameras don't make a setup, they make two cameras.

And like all things you can only use one at a time!

I would prefer one camera, lenses, flash, gimals etc, that is a setup.

Don't be so literal. You know what I mean.

 

[Phil V]

I'm sorry - but you put all this effort into 'proving' that gear doesn't matter -

Wrong. And I intend no disrespect. What car do you drive, would a £250k car not make you a better driver, no.

Roger Hicks uses a Breser film camera are you saying that despite his photography being above most of us he is worse off for not having the best most expensive available, if we all thought like that we would simply be keeping up with the Jonses.

Are you saying that My photography lacks because I don't have better equipment, if so that is an insult to my skill. I could pay cash for top Canon and L series lenses today, why would I not do so, because my photography is fine with what I have,
snip
It is as much if not more about the person behind the camera than the camera front of the person. Give a novice a top SLR and a pro a basic SLR and see who is better. Fine go for it, no argument here just don't falsely believe that better kit means a better photographer, it does not.

It is also horses for courses, as to what you use but please do not state that a better camera than a 50 makes a better photographer, look at people here who are superb with 50s, 400s and D3100s.

When will you want to upgrade again, when the now old 5D is replaced in less than 7 months.

Then to really prove your argument you add this....

I srive to be better with the camera I have, when I want a perfect landscape I will take my Bronny SQA.
snip.....

We all know that better gear doesn't make you a better photographer.
But no-one who understands what is a 'technical' profession, would say that better gear can't help us in any way (including you - apparently).

It's true that the best photographers in the world can create great pictures with really basic equipment. But they generally choose not to. Is this because they're all money wasting fools

Or maybe it's because we all know the simple truth. Fast good quality lenses, better quality sensors (or larger / better film and good processing), and for studio work good quality controllable lighting - will help us to make better photographs. It's a simple fact.

 

[NOJ75]

I'm sorry - but you put all this effort into 'proving' that gear doesn't matter -

Then to really prove your argument you add this....

We all know that better gear doesn't make you a better photographer.
But no-one who understands what is a 'technical' profession, would say that better gear can't help us in any way (including you - apparently).

It's true that the best photographers in the world can create great pictures with really basic equipment. But they generally choose not to. Is this because they're all money wasting fools

Or maybe it's because we all know the simple truth. Fast good quality lenses, better quality sensors (or larger / better film and good processing), and for studio work good quality controllable lighting - will help us to make better photographs. It's a simple fact.

Thank you Phil. That's probably how I should have put it in the first place

 

[starmast]

I found this very informative. Thankyou

 

[NOJ75]

I found this very informative. Thankyou

No problem. Welcome to TP

 

[paulk]

With my Juicys though I have the stopping power I need.

What! You mean you have Juicys that work well and haven't broken Buy some new brakes for yourself as a pressie. You'll love the 5D2 BTW

 

[NOJ75]

What! You mean you have Juicys that work well and haven't broken Buy some new brakes for yourself as a pressie. You'll love the 5D2 BTW

no need my man. Got rid of my bikes.

 

[Byker28i]

I know it may sound off, but, I wonder how many reading this would love a 7, let alone thinking of "upgrading", can you in all honesty say you use the 7 to IT'S fullest potential

At my age I could easily have purchased a 1D MK 4, why did I chose a 60D, because it suits me 100%, I have no need for another, I do not NEED a Ferrari, I drive the perfect car for me, a Renault Grand Scenic, others drive what nhey need.

Throughout my photographic existence I have seen so many "I have to have the latest to be ahead's".

If you NEED a 5D, 1D, or whatever, or can afford it, go for it, good for you, will it make you a better photographer. I have changed cameras just five times in my life, Praktica Super TL, Nikkormat FTn, Nikon F and EOS10D, and had my 10D not have been stolen I would still have it, that does not make me a poor or bad photographer.

If you will benefit from the better! camera, go for it, just do it for the right reason, or have you considered adding a yet un purchased piece of alternative kit to what you have.

You can't bring cars into the argument because a camera is a tool. A car is generally bought as an emotive subject, plus it's much more likely that people have more than one. Cars aren't about need sometimes. No one needs a Ferrari but they are very nice to have, give pleasure and opportunities.

However, if we are solely talking bodies, the you buy the body to suit your needs. Shooting landscapes for yourself then a10d will do. Shoot gigs or in a club and the low light capability of the 5d mk2 comes into play. Shoot weddings, need to shoot product with additional video, then a 5d comes into play again. I know of a professional car photographer who swears by his 5d mk2 because of the quality and the added bonus of video for websites.

However take it outside and it's really not designed for harsh environments. Take a look at some of the polar photography trips and see how many 5d mk2's died in the cold/damp.
Shoot sports, wildlife etc and the 7d with it's improved af system comes into it's own. Shoot video and the higher res output of the hdmi port over the 5d mk2 makes it a better tool for achieving critical focus with an external screen.

It's decisions based on your personal needs. Having the right kit will make you a better photographer because you'll be able to achieve what you want easier. If the kits not up to the task then no matter how good a photographer you are, you won't get the shot.

 

[NOJ75]

Again, very valid points there. Thank you for the post

As I had said before. It's just something I want and the wife wants. We don't have to be, nor claim to be, pros to have one. I always read how excellent the IQ is on a 5D. So studio work with a camera that produces a better IQ seems to be a no brainer.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Again, very valid points there. Thank you for the post

As I had said before. It's just something I want and the wife wants. We don't have to be, nor claim to be, pros to have one. I always read how excellent the IQ is on a 5D. So studio work with a camera that produces a better IQ seems to be a no brainer.

1D camera is a better cam to get. 45 af points and FF

 

[markmullen]

1D camera is a better cam to get. 45 af points and FF

1Ds is full frame, 1D is 1.3 crop.

 

[jonneymendoza]

1Ds i mean then

 

[ausemmao]

You can't bring cars into the argument because a camera is a tool. A car is generally bought as an emotive subject, plus it's much more likely that people have more than one. Cars aren't about need sometimes. No one needs a Ferrari but they are very nice to have, give pleasure and opportunities.

However, if we are solely talking bodies, the you buy the body to suit your needs. Shooting landscapes for yourself then a10d will do. Shoot gigs or in a club and the low light capability of the 5d mk2 comes into play. Shoot weddings, need to shoot product with additional video, then a 5d comes into play again. I know of a professional car photographer who swears by his 5d mk2 because of the quality and the added bonus of video for websites.

However take it outside and it's really not designed for harsh environments. Take a look at some of the polar photography trips and see how many 5d mk2's died in the cold/damp.
Shoot sports, wildlife etc and the 7d with it's improved af system comes into it's own. Shoot video and the higher res output of the hdmi port over the 5d mk2 makes it a better tool for achieving critical focus with an external screen.

It's decisions based on your personal needs. Having the right kit will make you a better photographer because you'll be able to achieve what you want easier. If the kits not up to the task then no matter how good a photographer you are, you won't get the shot.

Cameras are bought and discussed from an emotional POV and are usually bought because of need?