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Yes, it will work ... BUT one of two things will happen, either the camera (D810) will automatically switch into DX mode and you will end up with an expensive crop camera, or if the auto sense is off you will get vignetting varying from mild to massive depending on the lens ...
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D500?
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If you put the DX lens on the D810 it'll be 13MP
If you put the DX lens on the D810 it'll be 13MP
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Better for what?
What do you think the D7100 isn't doing for you, where is it holding you back?
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"lens" as in just one? The kitlens?
If so look for better lenses instead.
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That doesn't really answer how your current camera is limiting you.
As a guess (just a guess) I'd say the camera is not the likely weak point.
I'd guess you are the weakest link (I know I am and I've 30+ years practice)
2ndly a better lens, lenses, lighting gear would make more difference than a new camera.
But if you want a camera, don't let us hold you back.
My usual line here:
Beginners think it's all about cameras
Enthusiasts think it's all about lenses
Photographers know it's all about light
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And as Ansel Adams put it: "The most important part of your camera is the 12" behind it"That doesn't really answer how your current camera is limiting you.
As a guess (just a guess) I'd say the camera is not the likely weak point.
I'd guess you are the weakest link (I know I am and I've 30+ years practice)
2ndly a better lens, lenses, lighting gear would make more difference than a new camera.
But if you want a camera, don't let us hold you back.
My usual line here:
Beginners think it's all about cameras
Enthusiasts think it's all about lenses
Photographers know it's all about light
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That doesn't really answer how your current camera is limiting you.
As a guess (just a guess) I'd say the camera is not the likely weak point.
I'd guess you are the weakest link (I know I am and I've 30+ years practice)
2ndly a better lens, lenses, lighting gear would make more difference than a new camera.
But if you want a camera, don't let us hold you back.
My usual line here:
Beginners think it's all about cameras
Enthusiasts think it's all about lenses
Photographers know it's all about light
Without wanting to get into an argument (but suspecting I probably will.....), it isn't all about the light. The subject matter plays a major role too.
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ANd how would you see the subject if there was no light
edit - more seriously, the most beautiful girl in the world can be turned into a monster with lighting
edit again - the clue is in the name: Photograph means to draw with light
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I'm not going there.....
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You mean
'I wouldn't be able to see the subject without light'
More importantly; any 'great' image would be a completely different image if the light was from a different source / direction, it's simple and irrefutable.
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Oh, all right then......
Of course any subject needs to be illuminated (by light) and I'm sure no-one would argue with that.
I'm coming from a landscape background and landscape photographers often say "photography is all about the light". What they mean is "if I had photographed this subject under midday light it would have looked crap, but I waited until the golden hour and now it looks wonderful" Or words to that extent. I don't particularly agree with this because what you often end up with is a mess of orange swamping the entire image, but that is another thing altogether.
What such people don't consider is that there is a whole host of other subject matter out there just waiting to be photographed if you have the eye to see it. I'm not saying I often can see it myself but in the right light it is there and golden hour light is very rarely suitable for it.
What I'm saying is that it is a subtle combination of light and subject matter that makes photography what it is.
The right gear can help too, in certain situations.
Of course any subject needs to be illuminated (by light) and I'm sure no-one would argue with that.
I'm coming from a landscape background and landscape photographers often say "photography is all about the light". What they mean is "if I had photographed this subject under midday light it would have looked crap, but I waited until the golden hour and now it looks wonderful" Or words to that extent. I don't particularly agree with this because what you often end up with is a mess of orange swamping the entire image, but that is another thing altogether.
What such people don't consider is that there is a whole host of other subject matter out there just waiting to be photographed if you have the eye to see it. I'm not saying I often can see it myself but in the right light it is there and golden hour light is very rarely suitable for it.
What I'm saying is that it is a subtle combination of light and subject matter that makes photography what it is.
The right gear can help too, in certain situations.
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Lighting is just one aspect of making good pictures. All of which should be considered equally - apart from the subject which is of primary importance. If people aren't interested in the subject they won't look at the picture for long no matter how well lit it is.
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But often it's the light that makes it Interesting, hard light showing texture, sun in a low position to make Interesting shadows, soft light to bring out detail or light that makes the colours pop.
The technical side has been answered. But a different approach is
- how many and which DX lenses have you got?
- if you bought a D810 what would you do with your existing camera?
I would be looking at it as moving to a much more expensive camera system (Full frame camera + lenses) so your DX stuff may not be worth that much relatively speaking anyway. Keep them as a second camera? [I am not suggesting you need or you do not need full frame].
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i agree with all of that, but what do you mean by "it"? The subject, of course........
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So your entire post is based on your dislike of people obsessed with the 'golden hour' and you don't like that look.
I'm not a fan of landscape - but I can tell you that form is recorded by the shadows, and without shadows, an image lacks dimension. Whether the form be a mountain or a face, how it looks on a 2 dimensional medium is completely dictated by the light that's reflected off it.
A fairly boring scene can be enhanced by the right light, but the most wonderful subject in the world will look bad if lit badly.
A photograph is made of of 3 elements:
The story / moment / subject
Composition
Light
But that's not the point of the camera / lens / light scenario; which is about people believing the recording medium is more important than what's being recorded. And to be pedantic; what's being recorded isn't 'the subject' it's the light reflected off that subject.
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You do love an argument, Phil.......
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I like a discussion, or a debate - I find arguments frustrating and pointless and childish.
I thought the point of a forum was to discuss.
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I did add...See. It isn't all about the light.
And it's not really pedantic; it's true in both the scientific and artistic use of the word photography.
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I can't understand what made you think that I meant that.
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Ok. OK. OK. Wow. Your probably all right in one way or another.
I have a Nikon D7100 and a 18-200mm VR... That's it... I use lightroom....
I am just wondering if I changed the lens or the camera would the pictures be any better...
I need the length and the wide for kids and dogs... That's it... I know I need work... That's not my question....
If I spend money on my equipment, will it improve the image or is it OK to keep what I have and improve myself....
I have a Nikon D7100 and a 18-200mm VR... That's it... I use lightroom....
I am just wondering if I changed the lens or the camera would the pictures be any better...
I need the length and the wide for kids and dogs... That's it... I know I need work... That's not my question....
If I spend money on my equipment, will it improve the image or is it OK to keep what I have and improve myself....
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You might be better off with two zooms rather than one "does-it-all" lens, as the quality of each is likely to be better than the one you have at the moment. The D810 may be overkill for your needs although you could grow into it, if you know what I mean.
Sorry I can't advise any further as I don't use nikon.
Sorry I can't advise any further as I don't use nikon.
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I know it got complicated, but the question was asked earlier: what's wrong that you want to improve?
For instance; I know that a longer lens would vastly improve my wildlife photography, because the longest I have is 200mm.
I also know a 1dxII would improve my sports photography, but not by that much (a faster frame rate and better low light ability will help)
Some time and studio space would vastly improve my studio photography (but both are beyond my means atm)
What is it you want to do better, how is your current kit stopping you?
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This. I upgraded from D300s to D750. Made no real impact on the quality of my photographs.
Recently moved to Olympus OMD.
Cheers.
Why not post some pictures you think need improving... people are very helpful here but we need to know what we are working with and working towards with advice.
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If you wanted to buy the D810 you'd need at least one full frame lens. You could start with the Nikon 28-300mm, it's a decent all rounder but for even better results I'd get the 24-70mm VR and 70-200 VRII f2.8 lenses. The caveat is they won't improve your technique or composition, but with serious investment and highly capable kit you might find you take photography more seriously than you already do which can lead to big improvements. The results from that combination can be breathtaking. The D750 is another camera to consider, an excellent all rounder
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I wouldn't spend any money just yet. Post some examples of your work and what you feel let's them down. Let people on here give you some guidance in the right direction. Much cheaper than just thinking a better camera will give better results.
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Unless your kids are related by blood to Hussein Bolt and your pooch has been sired by Mick the Miller your current camera will easily be more than good enough to capture great photos of those subjects.
There was someone else on here recently who thought only a top of the range DSLR would be capable of photographing their kids and pets. I think I need your powers of persuasion to convince my wife that my 3 series BMW is not good enough for my 4 mile commute to work.
Look at the link containing pictures taken with the D7100, are you attaining these level of image quality on a very regular basis? in not, you have learning to do, if you are upgrade.
You can invest on full frame lenses and not necessarily the most expensive versions to go for that short telephoto lens you seem to be looking for the dogs. I don't have your combination[*] of camera and lens but you may have got a lens that tries to do too much (range) and perhaps do none of it too well. Although I somehow doubt it is your hardware that is the problem.
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[*] I got a DX7200 with 18-105 VR etc kit lens, and then a wider DX lens and the rest over 70mm are full frame. At the start I thought it was the kit lens that was not very good (the reviews said so) but perseverance showed that it was me who was at fault most or even all of the time.
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So it's not about the limitations of your camera it is about planning and preparation. Get the dogs running towards your kids holding a toy, photograph the dogs jumping at toys the kids are holding up high. How cool would it look to get a shot of the kids catching the jumping dogs.
Think about the photo you wish to take and work out how it an be achieved This way you have an idea of what you want the final picture to look like. All you really have to worry about then is light and location because you already know roughly the speed and direction that the dogs will be running.
You have a great scenario to practice and practice until it clicks but you think a camera upgrade will bypass the creative and technical knowledge required to capture such a shot?
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Thanks people. I'll grab some pics and let you decide... Like I say, I'm not saying I'm rubbish or good, or my equipment either. But I am just looking to improve and looking into which direction is best to head... Me, processing, equipment..... Will post up later...
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Well if you want to improve on those; a short critique:
1: nice shot, maybe a little tight, and the focus isn't on the eyes, and no good reason for the odd angle.
2: what you've shot is ok, but it's a tight headshot of a bird, what does it tell anyone? What's the purpose? (Not a criticism btw, I've shot hundreds of similar shots - I'm guessing there's millions of similar in the world - they're just meh)
3: cracking shot of the girl, there's some context too (notwithstanding, if the other people in the shot are strangers, you're probably disappointed)
There's nothing above that different gear could 'improve'.