Has anyone spent any hands on time with a Fuji X100S? What are your thoughts on the accuracy, speed and usability of the split image manual focusing? Finally it seems like there's a camera available with rangefinder-like handling but with the convenience of autofocus too. Does it suffer in low light? I'm looking to buy a small camera to take on holiday in June and on paper this seems ideal.
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Its got a mk2 X-Trans sensor in it and given that the mk1sensor beats the pants of a FF leica in low light/high ISO's its a safe bet that you'll need at least a canon 5Dmk3 to equal or better the low light performance.
Cant comment on the split screen or focus peaking on the s but the original X100 + the X-Pro 1 all offer "range finder like handling"
Lets put it this way I shoot the X-Pro 1 in bad light all the time and its no issue going up to ISO 6400 and shooting jpg, no need to shoot raw with the fuji's, the out of camera jpg's are amazing.
ISO 3200, bad light, 50% crop of original, shot jpg and just converted to B&W (no noise reduction added)
Cant comment on the split screen or focus peaking on the s but the original X100 + the X-Pro 1 all offer "range finder like handling"
Lets put it this way I shoot the X-Pro 1 in bad light all the time and its no issue going up to ISO 6400 and shooting jpg, no need to shoot raw with the fuji's, the out of camera jpg's are amazing.
ISO 3200, bad light, 50% crop of original, shot jpg and just converted to B&W (no noise reduction added)
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That's an interesting comment.
That caught my eye too. It seems like rather a bold claim. I'd be pleasantly surprised if it really is that good but, based on my own experience of full frame and crop sensor DSLR bodies, I'd expect the full frame sensor to perform much better in low light.
Just spotted this...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/03/27/studio-comparison-pages-added-to-fujifilm-x100s
What's most surprising is just how bad the M9 looks at this magnification by comparison.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/03/27/studio-comparison-pages-added-to-fujifilm-x100s
What's most surprising is just how bad the M9 looks at this magnification by comparison.
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That's not saying much though, the Leica is poor at high ISO and just about every SLR made in the last 3 years would comfortably outperform it.
It cannot compete with a pro body dslr in low light if you want fast autofocus, but its not designed to.
In good light it is blisteringly quick and if i'm shooting in low light and it struggles I switch to MF. I use focus peaking and MF assist which zooms into the centre of the frame as soon as you touch the focus ring. This feature is epic! I find myself switching straight to it for portrait shots (or anything that holds still) as the results are incredibly sharp.
If you shoot indoor sports or concerts then this is not the camera for you! But then if you shot those things you would want a telephoto lens anyway.
This camera in my opinion has fixed every problem I had with the X100 and given more on top.
I have unlimited my auto ISO to 6400 and the images look like 2000 on the X100.
Its that good!!
ISO 4000!
LW__20130403_0009.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
Black and white is even better again ISO 4000.
LW__20130403_0013.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
ISO 6400!
LW_lee's 27th birthday, mum's 49th birthday_20130403_0020.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
All straight out of camera jpegs with only contrast adjusted in Lightroom.
In good light it is blisteringly quick and if i'm shooting in low light and it struggles I switch to MF. I use focus peaking and MF assist which zooms into the centre of the frame as soon as you touch the focus ring. This feature is epic! I find myself switching straight to it for portrait shots (or anything that holds still) as the results are incredibly sharp.
If you shoot indoor sports or concerts then this is not the camera for you! But then if you shot those things you would want a telephoto lens anyway.
This camera in my opinion has fixed every problem I had with the X100 and given more on top.
I have unlimited my auto ISO to 6400 and the images look like 2000 on the X100.
Its that good!!
ISO 4000!
LW__20130403_0009.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
Black and white is even better again ISO 4000.
LW__20130403_0013.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
ISO 6400!
LW_lee's 27th birthday, mum's 49th birthday_20130403_0020.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
All straight out of camera jpegs with only contrast adjusted in Lightroom.
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Not as good as the focus peaking in my opinion, but having never used a rangefinder it may just be me. Seems more of a gimmick, to keep up the whole Leica image. For nailing focus i'd pick focus peaking and the focus check to zoom to the centre of the frame. You can be really accurate with it!
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I've used focus peaking on other cameras and to me it always seems a bit clunky. I rather like the idea of rangefinder-like handling but can't justify the expense of a Leica M. Looks good though based on your samples. Thanks for the help. Time to go shopping.
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Hi there folks. One of myy firsts post here, after reading a couple of threads for a while. Coming Fall I will be making a little trip to India, for a project I'm working on, and I want a smaller camera then my D700 to take with me.
Currently debating between a X20 and X100(s) (maybe OM-D, but probably not).
Currently debating between a X20 and X100(s) (maybe OM-D, but probably not).
I cant compare to other cameras as I haven't used this feature before, but combined with the focus assist it works well for me.
The focus ring is very smooth and has variable adjustment, allowing fine tuning or large change of focus depending on the speed you move it.
What I find surprising is how accurate it is. In my experiences it can be better than the autofocus at really nailing focus. Hence why I suggested using it for portraits.
One thing i'm noticing is it drains batteries faster than the X100! Iv just ordered another one as the two I have need charging by the end of the day. I'm also noticing a difference in the 3rd party one which I didn't in the X100. I have the camera in high performance mode so maybe thats why?!
The focus ring is very smooth and has variable adjustment, allowing fine tuning or large change of focus depending on the speed you move it.
What I find surprising is how accurate it is. In my experiences it can be better than the autofocus at really nailing focus. Hence why I suggested using it for portraits.
One thing i'm noticing is it drains batteries faster than the X100! Iv just ordered another one as the two I have need charging by the end of the day. I'm also noticing a difference in the 3rd party one which I didn't in the X100. I have the camera in high performance mode so maybe thats why?!
I got to use the X100s properly on a trip to Butlins this Easter. It really is much improved over the X100 and worth the upgrade in my opinion.
I tried taking the camera out of high performance mode to save battery life, but it turns the X100s back to an X100. It just didn't seem as fast through the menus or when writing between images, so I switched it back and opted for more batteries.
Here's a few from our trip...
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130408_0121.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130408_0128.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130408_0118.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130406_0051.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130405_0014.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
I tried taking the camera out of high performance mode to save battery life, but it turns the X100s back to an X100. It just didn't seem as fast through the menus or when writing between images, so I switched it back and opted for more batteries.
Here's a few from our trip...
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130408_0121.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130408_0128.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130408_0118.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130406_0051.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
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LW_Butlins 2013_20130405_0014.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
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It is a bold claim, but Ian's correct. Of the three (Leica, 5DMkIII, Fuji) the Leica produces the best images at low-ISO in my experience, but high-ISO is its weak spot.
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Thats probably more to do with the fact the Leica uses no noise reduction at high iso.
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Surely noise reduction wouldn't be a factor when comparing RAW files, as I was doing when I commented on the surprisingly poor output of the M9 further up.
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Yes, I believe that some if not all apply noise reduction to RAW files. To know which do and which don't I suppose you'll have to Google your way to the various on line reviews.
I think this first came to my attention with Canon and DPP but I do believe it's relatively widespread.
I think this first came to my attention with Canon and DPP but I do believe it's relatively widespread.
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It's often the case that the manufacturers will apply dark frame subtraction to longer exposure raw files too. Not being able to turn it off on a lot of their dslr bodies is a bugbear of the Pentax community.
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Is it? Not on the Pentax K30 I have here ATM. I'm not aware of any DSLR that applies noise reduction to Raw files, or any noise reduction that can't be disabled. Not sure that's 100% true, but it's certainly true of the vast majority.
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Well, I'm certain I've read more than once that various cameras apply changes to RAW's but maybe it only applies when processing with manufacturer supplied software? Or possibly also when using manufacturer profiles when using the third party software?
I don't know... it's not a big issue for me and it's therefore not something I'm going to worry too much about.
I don't know... it's not a big issue for me and it's therefore not something I'm going to worry too much about.
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I don't think so Alan, and there'd be an outcry if it was true. TBH, I'm not sure how noise reduction would be applied to Raw files - it's a post-process JPEG thing and even when NR is enabled the Raw is untouched.
There are only a very few in-camera settings that are applied to Raw files, basically those affecting actual exposure like Canon's highlight tone priority because it works by (in effect) selectively pushing ISO at sensor level.
I have a few cameras here ATM for work - two Canons, three Nikons, a Sony and Pentax. Certainly no noise reduction is aplied to their Raw files.
Hi, I don't want to hijack the op thread but I was thinking it would be nice to post updates here for anyone who has or wants the X100s.
Does anyone have any images they want to share?
Op please say if this is not ok, its just I followed the Fuji X100 thread and found loads of tips which really helped when learning how to use the camera. The images posted were really inspiring too!!
I would start a new thread but it seems pretty pointless when the Fuji X100s thread already exists.
My first tip would be keep it in high performance mode and invest in batteries!!
Does anyone have any images they want to share?
Op please say if this is not ok, its just I followed the Fuji X100 thread and found loads of tips which really helped when learning how to use the camera. The images posted were really inspiring too!!
I would start a new thread but it seems pretty pointless when the Fuji X100s thread already exists.
My first tip would be keep it in high performance mode and invest in batteries!!
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I had a check, and it's definitely there on the k-7 in raw and unable to be turned off (think it kicks in after 3 or 3 seconds). You're right that later gen models have had the ability to decide on whether to use dark frame. But it will be applied to RAWs if turned on.
A couple more from this week.
My youngest in his Nickelback vest bought by a true fan.
LW_Matthew_20130410_0001.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
LW_Matthew_20130410_0002.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
And my eldest learning to ride his new bike. Its a bit big and so as you can see... He fell off a lot!
LW_Joshua_20130410_0004.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
Iv also upgraded to lightroom 4.4 and i can see the difference in the raw files. They are very close to the in camera jpegs. I still use the jpegs though as they are brilliant!
My youngest in his Nickelback vest bought by a true fan.
LW_Matthew_20130410_0001.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on FlickrLW_Matthew_20130410_0002.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
And my eldest learning to ride his new bike. Its a bit big and so as you can see... He fell off a lot!
LW_Joshua_20130410_0004.jpg by Lee_Weir_Photography, on Flickr
Iv also upgraded to lightroom 4.4 and i can see the difference in the raw files. They are very close to the in camera jpegs. I still use the jpegs though as they are brilliant!
Do any of you Fuji X100 or X100s owners also own the official Fuji X100 leather case? Please could you do me a good turn and post some photos here, the bigger the better and from as many angles as you manage? I'm pretty sure that I've just been sold a fake, but I'd like to double (technically triple) check. Thanks in advance.
Real or fake? What do you think folks?
http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/showthread.php?180126-WTS-Original-Leather-Case-for-Fuji-X100
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Thanks Amir!
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Whats the lens cap like? Looks like it's just a push on type and easy to falloff, a pinch cap would be much better.
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Hi everyone, has anyone who's got the camera taken any architecture shots with it, would be great to see them 
Yeh I don't use the lens cap, its still wrapped up in the box. It actually stays on fine as its felt lined and grips the lens. A plastic pinch cap might ruin the look a bit, if thats not to vain!
I just leave a UV filter and lens hood on to protect the lens.