Fuji X10 or Nikon P7100 or ?

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OK keep going in circles now.....:bang:

I have decided to sell my Nikon D90 and lenses as we have another child on the way and enough stuff to carry as it is. Every time we go out I say to my wife "i'll take the camera" and she groans.......

I basically love the IQ from the D90 and I mainly use the 18-200mm VR lens. I have the camera primely set up in A mode as I like the ability to change the aperture to suit the focal depth I want from the image. Next I use M mode, particularly with the flash as I generally set up the flash output and balance the exposure selecting higher shutter speeds and playing with the flash output. Not sure why but hey! :cuckoo:

I want to maintain my love of photography but have a need to have a more compact way of doing it. I have considered some of the 4/3 systems and CSC but decided maybe that the bulk would only slightly be reduced due to the lenses. I could be convinced otherwise though.

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So I have started looking at larger sensor compact cameras and wonder which one is best for me. I will mainly use it for photos of my children, so the faster the focusing the better. I would like to keep, as much as possible, the ability to blur the background but does a f2.8 lens make much difference on a sensor this size. I do like the idea of a panoramic function (Love Photosynth on iPhone). IQ is of importance as I do print images out bigger than 6x4.

So the X10 is very appealing, the style appeals and some of the images posted on here seem excellent, with reports of A3 prints being possible. Will blend in loverly with my Lubitele 11 when I get chance to use it.

Then the extra reach of the P7100 is appealing.

I looked at the ZX1, the IQ seems excellent on DPreview but not convinced, just have an inner niggle over it for some reason.

Are there any cameras I am missing and any input/experience appreciated.

Many thanks Jon
 
If you want a bridge then get the X10, from the images I have seen on here and elsewhere it is head and shoulders above anything else out there.
 
I can't speak to the P7100 although I hear good things about it... The sensor on the Nikon is smaller than the one on the X10. The P7100 apparently shares the same sensor that's fitted to the Canon G12.

My own experience of the X10 is still fairly limited although I'm currently using it almost every day. I've been incredibly happy with the output but if you're a pixel-peeper, you will notice quite a difference in IQ when viewed at 100% compared to your D90.

To repeat the oft-quoted mantra; try before you buy if you can. :)
 
Spiritflier said:
My own experience of the X10 is still fairly limited although I'm currently using it almost every day. I've been incredibly happy with the output but if you're a pixel-peeper, you will notice quite a difference in IQ when viewed at 100% compared to your D90.

To repeat the oft-quoted mantra; try before you buy if you can. :)
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Simon , What do you find the limitations to be?

I'm not really a pixel peeper but will want to print some images out at A3ish size.

I wish I could try before I buy but I would need one camera shop with all the cameras in and a good excuse to get out for a day :)
 
Hi Jonothan,

I haven't really found any limitations with the X10 that are noteworthy... I haven't printed anything out from it yet but I wouldn't have any concerns about printing up to A3 in most cases. :)

Hope that helps a bit,
Si
 
You might find shutter lag a problem when trying to capture fast moving children with a compact, my G10 really struggles to capture usable shots of my never still daughter, SLR doesn't have a problem though. Best bet is to try them out and see if they cope, doesn't matter if the camera is capable of the best shots in the world if it's not fast enough to capture the ones you want.
 
I'd agree re the shutter lag, compacts do have a problem for instantaneous pictures. Keep the D90 and just have a small lens like the Nikon 18-55 (VR), Sigma 18-50 f2.8, Tamron 17-50 f2.8. Just think of all those natural low light shots of the kids.. :)
 
There's no shutter lag from the X10 (well, at least no more than either of my DSLR's)... :)

Best advice is to go and try one for yourself.
Cheers,
Si
 
I've a P7000 and i've been happy with it even if some people have stated they're slow etc...

Ask yourself how often you use the 28-200 at the longer end and that will help decide the extra reach or not seems the Fuji will be the best option for a walkabout if the answers not much

You're going to be a little disappointed with whatever you buy if you don't keep your DSLR for the more important things in my mind.

why does your Mrs groan when you take the camera out? Mine prefers it when I take a camera :lol:
 
BlackCloud said:
I'd agree re the shutter lag, compacts do have a problem for instantaneous pictures. Keep the D90 and just have a small lens like the Nikon 18-55 (VR), Sigma 18-50 f2.8, Tamron 17-50 f2.8. Just think of all those natural low light shots of the kids.. :)
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BlackCloud, I would keep the D90 but I never take it with me when we go out, and that was with just the 50mm prime on. Let alone when we have another child and two times all the associated paraphernalia in tow.

Spiritflier said:
There's no shutter lag from the X10 (well, at least no more than either of my DSLR's)... :)
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Si, Nice to know theres no shutter lag, makes it very tempting. I would go and try one but everytime I go to the the shops near me they ever had one in, shame. :thumbsdown:

chivers67 said:
I've a P7000 and i've been happy with it even if some people have stated they're slow etc...

Ask yourself how often you use the 28-200 at the longer end and that will help decide the extra reach or not seems the Fuji will be the best option for a walkabout if the answers not much.

why does your Mrs groan when you take the camera out? Mine prefers it when I take a camera :lol:
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Peter, I do like the idea of the extra reach and primarily use my 18-200 lens as my walk-around, so its nice to know I have the same reach with the P7100. That said the X10 seems to get raved about on its IQ and the styling is a peach for me. I'm not sure how the two compare with IQ and speed, though, I think the speed is the most important and IQ a very close second.

As the adage goes "the best camera to use is the one you have with you", as such this is never the D90, more like the mobile, so the DSLR seems like a lot of kit sat around for the odd occasion. I tend not to take it out with us as my wife thinks the DSLR is to bulky to carry around and take to the playgroup, or friends or generally on days out, along with the buggy, lunch, nappies, change of clothes, ect……which is the catalyst to my rethink.

Cheers all
 
Say you'll get the X10, then just keep putting it off until the X-Pro 1 comes out ;)
 
How about the Nikon J1?

The Canon S95 is also a great buy, now that the price has dropped after the launch of the S100 ( - another option perhaps?!)
 
I know this is an oldish thread but can I ask did you eventually get the x10?

Your situation is exactly the same as mine. D90 not being used due to its size so I want to downsize

I'm also running after small children all the time,

Just after your experience really

Thanks

Edit; I should add that these are my children im running after, not anyone elses
 
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jamin100 said:
I know this is an oldish thread but can I ask did you eventually get the x10?

Your situation is exactly the same as mine. D90 not being used due to its size so I want to downsize

I'm also running after small children all the time,

Just after your experience really

Thanks
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I've had both...the x10 is so much better!
 
I went down the X10 route and loving the camera. It's not perfect but it is a good compromise.

I do miss the D90 for it's IQ and functionality but for the few times I took it with me on days out it with the family it was not worth it. Now the X10 travels everywhere with me. I cannot comment on the P7100 as I never tried it.

I did post some samples and a response for you in the X10 thread.

If you have any specific questions just ask.
 
IMHO X10 downers
optical view finder is bright but displays no info whatsoever
optical view finder 85% & parallax error
need to remove the hood if you use the built in flash
need spare batteries but can pick up non OEM for £4 or £5

but nice pics, fast, pretty small , feels good
 
jondc said:
I did post some samples and a response for you in the X10 thread.

If you have any specific questions just ask.
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Sorry, I was viewing the threads on my phone last night and didnt notice the username!

Thanks :)
 
Well ive started shifting my Nikon equiptment so I guess I now have to decide what to do.

Im leaning more towards the X10 at the moment.
I like shots that give me good subject isolation from the background and decent ish bokeh. They are my main requirements I suppose.

However, seeing as i'll be taking photos of my kids then I also need a decent focus speed.

Ive pretty much rulled out the X100 because of the focus speed.

There are a few photos from yourself jondc and one in particular on dpreview that really make me think that this little camera may just be able to achieve what i want it to. Obviously the bokeh wont me as creamy as what my D90 can produce but from looking at some samples it may just be ok!

I wont post the picture as its not mine, but here is a link to it on DP

http://g4.img-dpreview.com/74D836821946423299A73033B45F78EC.jpg
 
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The Canon G1 X offers DSLR like IQ, but has it's downsides, shutter lag and not the most rapid AF out there.
 
My mate has the P7100, I have an X10 we did some test shots in our studio and the X10 came out on top, so much so that he took my X10 on his trip to Amsterdam at the weekend and now won't give me it back!
 
Toxic said:
My mate has the P7100, I have an X10 we did some test shots in our studio and the X10 came out on top, so much so that he took my X10 on his trip to Amsterdam at the weekend and now won't give me it back!
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Not surprised! I'd use the x10 professionally! Base ISO base the same IQ as my D7000!
 
jamin100 said:
Well ive started shifting my Nikon equiptment so I guess I now have to decide what to do.

Im leaning more towards the X10 at the moment.
I like shots that give me good subject isolation from the background and decent ish bokeh. They are my main requirements I suppose.

However, seeing as i'll be taking photos of my kids then I also need a decent focus speed.

Ive pretty much rulled out the X100 because of the focus speed.

There are a few photos from yourself jondc and one in particular on dpreview that really make me think that this little camera may just be able to achieve what i want it to. Obviously the bokeh wont me as creamy as what my D90 can produce but from looking at some samples it may just be ok!

I wont post the picture as its not mine, but here is a link to it on DP

http://g4.img-dpreview.com/74D836821946423299A73033B45F78EC.jpg
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You will not better the D90 with the X10, it is a compromise but it is usable one and does give good results. You may have to get used to the camera and set it up to your style.

It is a portable light weight camera that you can take out with you on days out with the kids, along with the rest of the parafinaliar, that works and delivers good IQ.
 
Yeh I've sold half of my Nikon stuff just the camera and 2 lenses left. Once they are gone I'll pull the trigger on the x10 I think.

I just need to stop looking at different reviews as I keep changing my mind when I do lol
 
jamin100 said:
Yeh I've sold half of my Nikon stuff just the camera and 2 lenses left. Once they are gone I'll pull the trigger on the x10 I think.

I just need to stop looking at different reviews as I keep changing my mind when I do lol
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You'll only find a bad review if someone bought it without knowing what to expect...having said that, I.jm surprised anyone wouldn't like the x10!

Possibly for it's battery life, no mic input for video or they wanted amazing results at could've above 800??

it's a better of a camera for me the only major downside is that you can't set the flash power!
 
Phil Young said:
it's a better of a camera for me the only major downside is that you can't set the flash power!
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I use the EF-20 flash unit, which you can, to a degree, set the flash output and its not to big to unbalance the camera. It allows you to use bounce, but only tilts up and down, no swivel action.
 
jondc said:
I use the EF-20 flash unit, which you can, to a degree, set the flash output and its not to big to unbalance the camera. It allows you to use bounce, but only tilts up and down, no swivel action.
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Yeah but I think Fuji made a bit of a mistake not allowing flash power settings because you could have used it to trigger slaves...not a deal breaker but slightly annoying.
 
Phil Young said:
Yeah but I think Fuji made a bit of a mistake not allowing flash power settings because you could have used it to trigger slaves...not a deal breaker but slightly annoying.
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Not thought of it that way, I just use a RF trigger from the hot shoe when I want of camera flash.
 
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