Fuji "worm-like" artefacts

Stephen L said:
Is there a dislike button? I'm not saying that strange effects don't exist, just that I have yet to see them, therefore they aren't an issue to me. I fail to see where "ranting" comes into it. It's just a discussion. We're not on DPR here. ;)
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I think Jakeblu own's the "rant" copyright in this thread. He used it first.
 
Stephen L said:
Is there a dislike button? I'm not saying that strange effects don't exist, just that I have yet to see them, therefore they aren't an issue to me. I fail to see where "ranting" comes into it. It's just a discussion. We're not on DPR here. ;)
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Stephen L said:
At the risk of hijacking this amusing thread, aren't we getting a little technical and up our own a$@£$s? I doubt if I would see a difference in image quality between Bayer and X-Trans sensors unless the identical shot were made with both and placed side by side. Probably not even then. And certainly anyone viewing just one of those images wouldn't turn round and say that they don't like that picture because it was taken with x sensor. I think we collectively need to "get real" and enjoy images for what they describe to us.
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THAT is a rant Stephen ^^ telling people they are up their own arse [which isn't censored btw] because they see a well known issue. You do realise we are all ex-Fuji users right? I shot Fuji for over 2 years, you'll find tonnes of posts from me in the Fuji threads. We're not making stuff up, nor are we being big meanies :D I wish it wasn't an issue - I might never have switched.
 
Dave70D said:
Give me any Canon Nikon Pentax Sony and Fuji, and I will find some sort of fault with that camera, but like I said I don`t blow images up to stupid size :)
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That’s prejudiced! What’s wrong/right with Olympus? Or Panasonic? Or Leica? :D
 
Cagey75 said:
THAT is a rant Stephen ^^ telling people they are up their own arse [which isn't censored btw] because they see a well known issue. You do realise we are all ex-Fuji users right? I shot Fuji for over 2 years, you'll find tonnes of posts from me in the Fuji threads. We're not making stuff up, nor are we being big meanies :D I wish it wasn't an issue - I might never have switched.
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So be it.
 
I could show you the skin problem in many of the posts in the Fuji forum here but it wouldn't be fair to the image owner(s)
 
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GreenNinja67 said:
I've heard it's a fantastic lens, I'm not disputing that.

And if you've never had experience of the waxy skin issue I envy you.

I loved my XT2 and without the issues I encountered I'm sure I'd still be a fan b....... Fuji user.
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It is a cracking lens imo, on a serious note though I am lucky I have not seen waxy skin on my shots, but I have seen it though in a post on TP. For me I don`t use sharpening in LR6 as I know it can and will ruin images.
 
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Dave70D said:
It is a cracking lens imo, on a serious note though I am lucky I have not seen waxy skin on my shots, but I have seen it though in a post on TP. For me I don`t use sharpening in LR6 as I know it can and ruin images.
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I tried everything, including different software but ultimately the love was gone and so very soon was the system.
 
GreenNinja67 said:
Obviously they're perfect.

I've got an Olympus and it stands up to my FF cameras I owned, and is way better than the XT-2.
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I ran Olympus from 2007 to 2014 and loved them. Especially the EM5. Principally moved to Fuji because of the ergonomics - Oly were too configurable and I could never remember what function I’d assigned to which dial! As I get older I prefer old-fashioned controls. But I do still think about going back to them ...
 
GreenNinja67 said:
I tried everything, including different software but ultimately the love was gone and so very soon was the system.
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Fair enough. Once you hit an issue it gets inside your head and the only way forward is to change. And not just with cameras. I fell out of love with Mercedes cars purely because I had issues with one example.
 
I switched to M43 mostly for the IBIS mostly , nobody else was doing it near as effectively, and that remains true today. I went for an Em5 initially to test the waters while I still had the XT1, and was impressed enough to sell the Fuji gear and buy a brand new Panasonic G80. This was just under a year ago, still using the G80 but feeling like a change again. Once you go IBIS, it is very hard to go back though, also the excellent touch screen, the ergo's and, tbh, the image quality! It's not as good as the Fuji cameras at higher ISO, but it's not a million miles behind either, a half stop at most behind the XT1, so maybe 1.5 behind the XT2, but I have IBIS to compensate a lot of the time. I don't shoot fast moving things very often, when I do it'll most likely be in good lighting anyway. I find the images barely ever need sharpening, the non AA filter helps with this of course - Just like the Fuji cams. Below ISO 3200 I find no major difference in image quality, there's just a different 'feel to both formats. I might even give the nod to the G80 in terms of sharpness with similar lenses.
 
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Dave70D said:
I remember seeing that great image of Rosie you took with the X-T2, it was like Wow.
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I’ve shot her with a variety of cameras now from m43 to ff canon and Nikon including the D850 and as long as the lightings right there’s not much between all systems I’ve tried.
 
Cagey75 said:
I switched to M43 mostly for the IBIS mostly , nobody else was doing it near as effectively, and that remains true today. I went for an Em5 initially to test the waters while I still had the XT1, and was impressed enough to sell the Fuji gear and buy a brand new Panasonic G80. This was just under a year ago, still using the G80 but feeling like a change again. Once you go IBIS, it is very hard to go back though, also the excellent touch screen, the ergo's and, tbh, the image quality! It's not as good as the Fuji cameras at higher ISO, but it's not a million miles behind either, a half stop at most behind the XT1, so maybe 1.5 behind the XT2, but I have IBIS to compensate a lot of the time. I don't shoot fast moving things very often, when I do it'll most likely be in good lighting anyway. I find the images barely ever need sharpening, the non AA filter helps with this of course - Just like the Fuji cams. Below ISO 3200 I find no major difference in image quality, there's just a different 'feel to both formats. I might even give the nod to the G80 in terms of sharpness with similar lenses.
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You’re right about IBIS - just glad Fuji finally has it. Did/do you prefer the G80 over the EM5 and was it the Mk1 5? I hate touch screens, though. :D
 
Don't touch the screen. I never feel the need to use my touchscreen on the em5mk2.

In fact I'd forgotten it had one until you mentioned it.
 
when I bought an early fuji X10 it was easy enough to process raws badly enough to produce worms. since the XE2 I have yet to see them even at 100% with extreme processing.
Perhaps I have not tried hard enough.?
 
Stephen L said:
You’re right about IBIS - just glad Fuji finally has it. Did/do you prefer the G80 over the EM5 and was it the Mk1 5? I hate touch screens, though. :D
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The EM5 mk1, it was just a bit small for my liking, I like a chunky grip and the G80 is infinitely more comfortable to use. I had the grip for it also for a while, which made it even better, sorry I sold it. I would have hung on to the Em5 too but I got an offer on it from the same guy who bought the XT1 [the day I met up with him I brought it along and he was impressed by the hand held shots I was getting at 1/5th standing on a busy street in Dublin, he ended up buying it for his gf] and I was in the market for a new lens at the time, so that helped fund it. I prefer many things about the G80, the menu system, the clarity of the LCD and evf, the overall build quality and layout ... it's a lovely camera to use. I wasn't big on touch screen before getting it, but it turns out to be one of my favorite things - it is so good, just as responsive as the better smart phones today. I use it mostly to tap focus, and I like that I can do this with my eye to the VF. I think it's better than a joystick. I would imagine the Em5 mkII has just as good an evf and LCD, and has a stop better IBIS than the original [so on par with the G80, I think] but I'd still prefer the G80.
 
stumac said:
It was white and gold !! ;-)
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Ha not that again. It was actually from where I live, down to the post code. I think they did so well off that promo that they moved to a much nicer store in a much "posher" area :D
 
GreenNinja67 said:
Well in that case Fuji do a p*** arse job of "demosaicifying" their own files as the jpgs SOOC were affected too.
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I think there are two things going on here. Some raw converters are just not great at Fuji files in general. But Fuji's in-camera raw conversion, and their own Raw File Converter application with the default settings, over-process images to make them look less noisy, especially at high ISO. Opening a high ISO file in RFC and changing the default sharpening to (e.g.) 'Natural' reduces that over-smoothed skin effect, at the expense of increasing the apparent noise.
 
I've never seen worms or any artefacts for that matter from Fuji, been using them for a fair few years too.
Saying that I don't think they are the best when lots of foliage is the subject matter.
Different story for things like architecture and transport, that's what I mainly take and don't seem to be affected by processing issues.
 
Well when I posted this it was in an idle moment ( I'm on holiday currently ) and was just trying to put a bit of fun into the forum really. As I have a newly - found interest in wildlife ( mainly bird ) photography and have a very small amount of Canon gear left over from my switch to Fuji, I am looking at my current gear and contemplating where I should go next. I was stimulated by Canon and Nikon releasing their Z and R cameras and as I near retirement with limited funds I was looking to rationalise my gear in the coming year or so to ensure I had a coherent system that would last me ..... well .....forever really.

In the process of evaluating I was weighing up whether Fuji would meet most of my needs and it does meet most of them very well. Mind you, every now and again I get weird effects on pictures. If I pixel peep, I can sometimes ( though rarely ) see the worms, and the painterly effect and knowing they are there kind of irritates me. I also feel its only if I go nuts with processing and look at crazy sized images on my computer. I'm not sure if that's anything to do with photography though and I'm inclined to believe it's more to do with my psychological make up and irritation with what I perceive as non-perfection.

I have also, on odd occasions, had some odd stuff going on with skin tones which I'm pretty sure is not related to waxy looks, thought it might be.

I don't know what I'll decide to do. M43 seemed more attractive before one of the partners signalled it might be pulling away from it. Canon and Nikon don't seem quite there yet with their mirrorless but I am tempted nonetheless.

All cameras have plus and minus points: and all camera are definitely capable of outperforming my efforts. C'est la vie!

That's all to clarity my positon, but the only intent behind my OP was just to have a bit of fun while I was dossing in the sunshine :)
 
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wooster said:
Well when I posted this it was in an idle moment ( I'm on holiday currently ) and was just trying to put a bit of fun into the forum really. As I have a newly - found interest in wildlife ( mainly bird ) photography and have a very small amount of Canon gear left over from my switch to Fuji, I am looking at my current gear and contemplating where I should go next. I was stimulated by Canon and Nikon releasing their Z and R cameras and as I near retirement with limited funds I was looking to rationalise my gear in the coming year or so to ensure I had a coherent system that would last me ..... well .....forever really.

In the process of evaluating I was weighing up whether Fuji would meet most of my needs and it does meet most of them very well. Mind you, every now and again I get weird effects on pictures. If I pixel peep, I can sometimes ( though rarely ) see the worms, and the painterly effect and knowing they are there kind of irritates me. I also feel its only if I go nuts with processing and look at crazy sized images on my computer. I'm not sure if that's anything to do with photography though and I'm inclined to believe it's more to do with my psychological make up and irritation with what I perceive as non-perfection.

I have also, on odd occasions, had some odd stuff going on with skin tones which I'm pretty sure is not related to waxy looks, thought it might be.

I don't know what I'll decide to do. M43 seemed more attractive before one of the partners signalled it might be pulling away from it. Canon and Nikon don't seem quite there yet with their mirrorless but I am tempted nonetheless.

All cameras have plus and minus points: and all camera are definitely capable of outperforming my efforts. C'est la vie!

That's all to clarity my positon, but the only intent behind my OP was just to have a bit of fun while I was dossing in the sunshine :)
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Well I for one have found it a fun post, some very good points have been said and that`s good, so thank you.
 
Stephen L said:
Principally moved to Fuji because of the ergonomics - Oly were too configurable and I could never remember what function I’d assigned to which dial! As I get older I prefer old-fashioned controls. But I do still think about going back to them ...
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I can't believe this is a serious comment and I can't believe I'm replying :D

If the camera has too many buttons there's a simple answer - Don't Use Them. Set them all to not assigned or set them all to something that wont matter if you accidentally press one and then you'll have a camera that when set to Aperture, Shutter or Manual only needs three controls, two wheels for aperture and shutter and the shutter button and you'll be in simple camera heaven :D
 
woof woof said:
I can't believe this is a serious comment and I can't believe I'm replying :D
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I believe it's a serious comment and one I have a lot of sympathy for.

woof woof said:
If the camera has too many buttons there's a simple answer - Don't Use Them. Set them all to not assigned or set them all to something that wont matter if you accidentally press one and then you'll have a camera that when set to Aperture, Shutter or Manual only needs three controls, two wheels for aperture and shutter and the shutter button and you'll be in simple camera heaven :D
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But Oly encourages you to set up multiple functions on multiple buttons, they even have a lever for switching between two completely different screen and button/dial configurations, it can and does get a little confusing. They are so tightly compact too, if you press one by accident your whole settings can be out of whack, and if you don't know what does what it can take a while to sort.
 
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woof woof said:
I can't believe this is a serious comment and I can't believe I'm replying :D

If the camera has too many buttons there's a simple answer - Don't Use Them. Set them all to not assigned or set them all to something that wont matter if you accidentally press one and then you'll have a camera that when set to Aperture, Shutter or Manual only needs three controls, two wheels for aperture and shutter and the shutter button and you'll be in simple camera heaven :D
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True, but I always thought that if I'd paid for the buttons I would darned well use them! :D
 
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