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Just seen on Sky news that New Year tax rises are to come in, but it's only £1.09 here at the moment so by how much do they think ordinary people can keep being squeezed ? I suppose it's for the 600,000,000,000 (sorry keyboard run out of zero's) :lol: A no win situation for an economical recovery waht with inflation rising out of control in the coming 2010 :eek:
 
vat back up as well
i can see this year being a bad year
 
I already pay that in Germany - 96ron costs between 1.25€ - 1.35€ and 98-100ron about 1.45€ - 1.60€

Here it costs even more:
Bulk fuel costs the Military about $1.50 per US Gallon or about half the US pump-price.
By the time it's transported by air-freight from Europe or the USA and subsequent road-convoy to the Main Operating Bases here in Afghanistan, that cost has risen to about $15 per US gallon. If it goes forward to the Forward Operating Bases by road, the cost rises again to about $50 per US gallon.
If it has to be moved by underslung helicopter-load to the FOBs and PBs, that cost rises yet again to a whopping $400 per US gallon.

Now bear in mind that 70% of fuel is used in-theatre to generate heat and electricity. When I was at FOB Cafaretto near Nowzad, we used 40 litres of diesel a night to heat the accommodation tent we were staying in. That's one tent in one FOB.
 
Arkady said:
I already pay that in Germany - 96ron costs between 1.25€ - 1.35€ and 98-100ron about 1.45€ - 1.60€

Here it costs even more:
Bulk fuel costs the Military about $1.50 per US Gallon or about half the US pump-price.
By the time it's transported by air-freight from Europe or the USA and subsequent road-convoy to the Main Operating Bases here in Afghanistan, that cost has risen to about $15 per US gallon. If it goes forward to the Forward Operating Bases by road, the cost rises again to about $50 per US gallon.
If it has to be moved by underslung helicopter-load to the FOBs and PBs, that cost rises yet again to a whopping $400 per US gallon.

Now bear in mind that 70% of fuel is used in-theatre to generate heat and electricity. When I was at FOB Cafaretto near Nowzad, we used 40 litres of diesel a night to heat the accommodation tent we were staying in. That's one tent in one FOB.
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7.1 milion gallons.....a month :eek:
 
Yep, so about $80 million a month on fuel for Bagram alone...lol
 
Flash In The Pan said:
7.1 milion gallons.....a month :eek:
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Have you seen the MPG figures for a F15? Lets put it this way, if they were paying company car tax on it, they'd buy their own private aircraft instead :D
 
desantnik said:
Have you seen the MPG figures for a F15? Lets put it this way, if they were paying company car tax on it, they'd buy their own private aircraft instead :D
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And for the Train-Spotter out there:

Each Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220/220E engine consumes (there are two in an F15 Eagle and one in the F16 Fighting Falcon)

Specific fuel consumption:
  • Military thrust: 0.76 lb/(lbf·h) (77.5 kg/(kN·h))
  • Full afterburner: 1.94 lb/(lbf·h) (197.8 kg/(kN·h))
Yes, with Military aircraft, fuel is measure by weight, not volume...:naughty:
 
Why do you think the government are looking under beds for more tax money, this war is crippling us financially

I don't know how true it is but I was told the US has stopped pumping it's own oil and is stockpiling bought in oil ready for the day it all runs out

Like the 18th and 19th centuries when we ruled the world because we had the biggest navy the 22nd century will be ruled by the countries that still have oil
 
welcome to 2010 the year we start to pay back the Mr Brown and friends for all there mess..
 
All this scaremongering about fuel prices etc.true or false only makes it more likely that it will go up to such levels because it has the effect of conditioning the general public into accepting it!!
 
Unleaded is £1.10-£1.15/l here in France....the upside is that there's no road tax to pay.

Bob
 
wack61 said:
Why do you think the government are looking under beds for more tax money, this war is crippling us financially

I don't know how true it is but I was told the US has stopped pumping it's own oil and is stockpiling bought in oil ready for the day it all runs out

Like the 18th and 19th centuries when we ruled the world because we had the biggest navy the 22nd century will be ruled by the countries that still have oil
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America are rapidly approaching the point that Britain was at in the first half of the 20th Century, when we overextended ourselves trying to police the world.

Like Britannia before her, America's days as the number 1 world superpower are drawing to a close and it's China's turn next.....
 
Oil is a finite resource and it's running out, it's only going to get more expensive. Make your next car an economical one and drive less or not at all. Pray that someone comes up with a valid alternative in the next 30-50 years or invest now in horse farms.
 
Steep said:
Oil is a finite resource and it's running out, it's only going to get more expensive. Make your next car an economical one and drive less or not at all. Pray that someone comes up with a valid alternative in the next 30-50 years or invest now in horse farms.
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Why? Is that going to make it last any longer?
At the rate that China and the USA use fuel (never mind how much we're wasting on Combat Operations...lol), you buying a more economical car now will extend oil reserves by about a year.

One year.

Now is the time to buy a firkin great V8 Supercar - cause when it's gone...it's GONE.
 
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V8 schmee-eight... I'm waiting for my gigawatt supercar powered by a fusion reactor.

Or maybe I watched too much Gerry Andserson...
 
desantnik said:
V8 schmee-eight... I'm waiting for my gigawatt supercar powered by a fusion reactor.

Or maybe I watched too much Gerry Andserson...
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No - it's true - I saw them on UFO - that was supposed to be in 1982, so we're overdue...:D

Oh wait...that WAS Gerry Anderson...:lol:
 
I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been a viable alternative to petrol invented in the last 50 years, it does make you wonder if there have been inventions that have been bought out by the oil companies to preserve their businesses
 
wack61 said:
I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been a viable alternative to petrol invented in the last 50 years, it does make you wonder if there have been inventions that have been bought out by the oil companies to preserve their businesses
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There has - ethanol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel

All it needs is for Engine manufacturers to engineer the powerplants to use it properly - and guess what? I bet they already have - but there's no point using them til the oil runs out, is there...?

The major oil companies have already begun using ethanol as a fuel-additive...
 
Bio-Ethanol is one of the biggest threats to the third world actually... Its not the answer to anything, other than to make a handful of people very rich indeed.

Its evil!

One of the first people to speak out about it was Fidel, although the message is now more widely sung he never seems to get the credit for being the first to bring it to the world's attention...
 
desantnik said:
Bio-Ethanol is one of the biggest threats to the third world actually... Its not the answer to anything, other than to make a handful of people very rich indeed.

Its evil!

One of the first people to speak out about it was Fidel, although the message is now more widely sung he never seems to get the credit for being the first to bring it to the world's attention...
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Good, it's about time those shiftless peasants were brought to book! They don't own cars so why worry?

...and what's the point of having an oppressed-proletariat if you don't oppress them...!!!???
 
Well, maybe you have point Comrade... don't worry, there will always be fuel for our Zil's to use the Party Only lanes on the State Highway :D
 
I should have phrased it better, what I meant was an alternative to using the combustion engine, ethanol will never be a replacement for petrol except for the very rich as it'll cost a fortune and they'll have to turn millions of acres of land over to grow it

IMO it's immoral to grow fuel when 1/2 the world is starving.
 
wack61 said:
I should have phrased it better, what I meant was an alternative to using the combustion engine, ethanol will never be a replacement for petrol except for the very rich as it'll cost a fortune and they'll have to turn millions of acres of land over to grow it

IMO it's immoral to grow fuel when 1/2 the world is starving.
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There are current experiments/investigations into making bioethanol and bio diesel from household waste, so no need to grow it specifically.
 
wack61 said:
I should have phrased it better, what I meant was an alternative to using the combustion engine, ethanol will never be a replacement for petrol except for the very rich as it'll cost a fortune and they'll have to turn millions of acres of land over to grow it

IMO it's immoral to grow fuel when 1/2 the world is starving.
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If they don't like it they can move to Britain...oh wait - most of them have...

Who gives a stuff?

You seriously expect me to curtail my lifestyle, for which I work very hard in crappy conditions for some mud-hut dweller in the Sudan...?

Get Real... or better still join Oxfam and go and work in the Sudan if you care so much.

I've served my time thanks, and I intend to enjoy what I have left in the manner I can afford.

Life isn't Fair - in the Third World (and elsewhere a lot closer to home) it's the same old short, bloody, brutal affair that it's been since the dawn of time and me buying a Prius won't change that.

There's no celestial contract that states that all of mankind get an equal share of cake...it's the luck of the draw - we were born in a Country whose forebears worked their asses off to make things better - we had the ingenuity and the means to control our environment. We had the climate to grow good crops and the mineral resources to exploit when industry was forming.
Most importantly we had the will and the ruthlessness to go out and take - yes take - whatever else we needed and wanted.

It's Natural selection - so...we're a bigger bunch of Bar-Stewards than the Hut-Dwellers...well tough on them...

My priorities are Me and Mine - my Moral Obligations extend to Me and Mine.

If the entire population of Central Africa died tomorrow the only tangible effect it would have on me would be that the news would get mightily boring for three weeks.

And for most people in Britain it would be the same.
At least I'm honest about it.
 
Arkady said:
If they don't like it they can move to Britain...oh wait - most of them have...

Who gives a stuff?

You seriously expect me to curtail my lifestyle, for which I work very hard in crappy conditions for some mud-hut dweller in the Sudan...?

Get Real... or better still join Oxfam and go and work in the Sudan if you care so much.

I've served my time thanks, and I intend to enjoy what I have left in the manner I can afford.

Life isn't Fair - in the Third World (and elsewhere a lot closer to home) it's the same old short, bloody, brutal affair that it's been since the dawn of time and me buying a Prius won't change that.

There's no celestial contract that states that all of mankind get an equal share of cake...it's the luck of the draw - we were born in a Country whose forebears worked their asses off to make things better - we had the ingenuity and the means to control our environment. We had the climate to grow good crops and the mineral resources to exploit when industry was forming.
Most importantly we had the will and the ruthlessness to go out and take - yes take - whatever else we needed and wanted.

It's Natural selection - so...we're a bigger bunch of Bar-Stewards than the Hut-Dwellers...well tough on them...

My priorities are Me and Mine - my Moral Obligations extend to Me and Mine.

If the entire population of Central Africa died tomorrow the only tangible effect it would have on me would be that the news would get mightily boring for three weeks.

And for most people in Britain it would be the same.
At least I'm honest about it.
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i only said that piece of halibut was good enough for jehova
 
It's another little trick Gordon Brown thought we all missed:

Reduce the VAT rate to 15% for everything, but to keep fuel and alcohol the same price increase the duty on these.

Now put VAT back up without reducing the duty and hey ho double tax raise.



Oh yes oil is NOT running out , that is just total bull, did people not read the new a few weeks ago where Brazil has just struck a NEW oil field 300 miles of the coast. The field has the same amount as oil the Iran had, making Brazil the 5th biggest producer in the world. There is loads of oil, we just have not found it all yet.
 
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There IS plenty of oil out there. And more being found all the time. The trouble is the newly found stuff is expensive to bring to market - and most of the rest is under sand.

The real problem isn't the amount of oil that's left, or the cost of it. It is our dependance upon it and those people who own the raw product.

And now for the good news. This is the year when we shall see viable all-electric vehicles come to market. Not invalid cars or shopping trolleys but vehicles that people will want to run - and they'll be cheap to run.

You read it here first ;)
 
I'm with Arkady too.

All those Africa country that wanted independence in the 60s, which we gave them still want US to give them money, well sod off you got what you wanted INDEPENDENCE.
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You might not like what he said but he has been proven right

Ian Smith Prime Minister of the British self-governing colony of Southern Rhodesia said (I paraphrase) If you let a Black man run the country it will go to hell Well how else would you describe Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe
 
Part of the reason for the high fuel prices is that much of the World's oil (and other mineral wealth) is in areas we no longer have control over...and those who do wield control are utterly corrupt and/or inept at running those countries.

I have no problem fighting a war for oil or any other strategic resource - as long as we actually get to keep and control it afterwards...
 
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