Fuel prices: London petrol station sells diesel at nearly £2.50 a litre

whiteflyer said:
Asda has diffrent prices at stores 3 miles apart, so there is no impact from distance to depot,
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Same with Sainsbury's, we have a one up the road and a one about 3 mile away, they are never the same price.
I think it all has to do with competition around the area the petrol stations are situated. The one up the road has competition from 3 other garages in the town and all are within 1 or 2 pence of each other. The one 3 mile away has no competition for at least another 2-3 mile.
 
Nikon f1.8 said:
Same with Sainsbury's, we have a one up the road and a one about 3 mile away, they are never the same price.
I think it all has to do with competition around the area the petrol stations are situated. The one up the road has competition from 3 other garages in the town and all are within 1 or 2 pence of each other. The one 3 mile away has no competition for at least another 2-3 mile.
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Strangely it's the opposite for me, the more expensive one is about 1/4 of a mile from a Morrisons, yet the nearest garage to the cheaper Asda is a very expensive Texaco.


What it all does show, is if you're traveling outside the local known area, you do need something like the petrolprices app to find the cheaper prices, and don't just assume a particular supermarket will be the cheapest
 
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LONDON, June 12 (Reuters) - Britain's competition watchdog has been asked by the government to review the retail fuel market to see whether a cut in duty has been passed onto consumers as prices at the pump hit unprecedented highs.
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He said the review should consider the health of competition in the market, regional factors, including localised competition, and any further steps that the government or the CMA could take to strengthen competition.
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Don't forget the Government is taking a huge slice of the cost of petrol and diesel fuel with VAT and fuel duty. Approx half of the cost goes to the Government.
 
I paid 197.9 this morning for the Tesco momentum unleaded, I still feel a little bit sick now!
 
chphoto said:
I paid 197.9 this morning for the Tesco momentum unleaded, I still feel a little bit sick now!
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£8.99 per gallon makes it even less appealing........ sadly the £10 gallon (219.9/litre) is looming on the horizon:(

Though the optimist in me thinks it will not become that extreme ...,.,will it :thinking:
 
Box Brownie said:
£8.99 per gallon makes it even less appealing........ sadly the £10 gallon (219.9/litre) is looming on the horizon:(

Though the optimist in me thinks it will not become that extreme ...,.,will it :thinking:
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Sadly it probably will, to repeat a sentiment I keep hearing - “Can’t sell electric cars if petrol/diesel is affordable”

Government want to ban sales of new cars with internal combustion engines from 2030, I can’t see fuel prices ever settling back to where we were before.
 
I have to ask myself how much of this is down to the Govt also wanting to force people into electric powered cars. At £50K a car it really stokes up the profits of the car manufacturers.

The Lithium based batteries are very eco unfriendly but still they tell us (without supporting data) that electricity is green energy and better than diesel or petrol. Part of this was caused by putting catalytic converters on the exhaust as that reduced efficiency of the engine by ~25-30%.

To produce the electricity you still need fossil fuel, as UK is not able to get its electricity from 100% renewable energy sources (wind, tidal, solar sources).
 
jknights said:
I have to ask myself how much of this is down to the Govt also wanting to force people into electric powered cars. At £50K a car it really stokes up the profits of the car manufacturers.

The Lithium based batteries are very eco unfriendly but still they tell us (without supporting data) that electricity is green energy and better than diesel or petrol. Part of this was caused by putting catalytic converters on the exhaust as that reduced efficiency of the engine by ~25-30%.

To produce the electricity you still need fossil fuel, as UK is not able to get its electricity from 100% renewable energy sources (wind, tidal, solar sources).
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what a load of old rot.
firstly electric cars are not 50k the Renault Zoe a very popular car RRP: From £31,240
Lithium battery's like everything are recyclable and yes cost the environment more to produce but not that more than all the energy and waste
that goes into producing a complicated ICE engine with 1000s of moving parts etc

yes we currently don't produce 100% energy from fossil fuel but today alone at this exact minute we are producing 61% of all our energy from 100% renewable see below and that will grow as years go by so that electric car will be 100% green something an ICE car will never be it was born 100% dirty.

and then the extra benefits , low VED , low or zero congestion charges as that is coming to all large towns and cities in the next decade.

folk like you are just like a stuck record mate



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Mr Bump said:
what a load of old rot.
firstly electric cars are not 50k the Renault Zoe a very popular car RRP: From £31,240
Lithium battery's like everything are recyclable and yes cost the environment more to produce but not that more than all the energy and waste
that goes into producing a complicated ICE engine with 1000s of moving parts etc

yes we currently don't produce 100% energy from fossil fuel but today alone at this exact minute we are producing 61% of all our energy from 100% renewable see below and that will grow as years go by so that electric car will be 100% green something an ICE car will never be it was born 100% dirty.

and then the extra benefits , low VED , low or zero congestion charges as that is coming to all large towns and cities in the next decade.

folk like you are just like a stuck record mate



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This website is also useful to see the UK power demand and generation (re)sources.

GB Fuel type power generation production

GridWatch | Live statistic of UK National Electricity grid by type of generation | Solar PV power Generation | Coal Stations output in Gigawatts | Wind Output Gigawatts | Nuclear energy output |Biomass power generation Output
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@Box Brownie nice one and that graphic just sums up it up all in all carbon neutral %74
 
Box Brownie said:
This website is also useful to see the UK power demand and generation (re)sources.

GB Fuel type power generation production

GridWatch | Live statistic of UK National Electricity grid by type of generation | Solar PV power Generation | Coal Stations output in Gigawatts | Wind Output Gigawatts | Nuclear energy output |Biomass power generation Output
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That's a really interesting page and shows a different picture from the one I thought.

Nice to see that they exclude Nuclear from their "renewable" count (which was a fiddle a while back) but presumably include it in "carbon neutral" and biomass is of course a fancy name for burning stuff.

But I had no idea how much wind power we produced. Or that there was a cable near my house currently pumping a gigawatt of power to France.......
 
JonathanRyan said:
That's a really interesting page and shows a different picture from the one I thought.

Nice to see that they exclude Nuclear from their "renewable" count (which was a fiddle a while back) but presumably include it in "carbon neutral" and biomass is of course a fancy name for burning stuff.

But I had no idea how much wind power we produced. Or that there was a cable near my house currently pumping a gigawatt of power to France.......
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I always knew we had "interconnectors" but not that we had the number that we do!

Of note, I think we import more power from France per year than we export and that the majority of the power we get from is from nuclear. Because again AFAIK France has a significant majority of its power from nuclear.
 
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Box Brownie said:
I always knew we had "interconnectors" but not that we had the number that we do!

Of note, I think we import more power from France per year than we export and that the majority of the power we get from is from nuclear. Because again AFAIK France has a significant majority of its power from nuclear.
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yes France heavily invested in nuclear with EDF something we should have also done years ago but governments wouldn't help out with the costs
 
Mr Bump said:
what a load of old rot.
firstly electric cars are not 50k the Renault Zoe a very popular car RRP: From £31,240
Lithium battery's like everything are recyclable and yes cost the environment more to produce but not that more than all the energy and waste
that goes into producing a complicated ICE engine with 1000s of moving parts etc

yes we currently don't produce 100% energy from fossil fuel but today alone at this exact minute we are producing 61% of all our energy from 100% renewable see below and that will grow as years go by so that electric car will be 100% green something an ICE car will never be it was born 100% dirty.

and then the extra benefits , low VED , low or zero congestion charges as that is coming to all large towns and cities in the next decade.

folk like you are just like a stuck record mate



grid.iamkate.com

National Grid: Live

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grid.iamkate.com grid.iamkate.com
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Great respect for your response, NOT! Guess your by-line predicts it!

You didnt answer the question I posed about the current corrupt Govt.
I guess you drive a Zoe! For what it is I think for >£30K it is a rip off. I prefer a better/nicer/more expensive car from Toyota, Nissan. Cars are overpriced in UK! Another debate point.

I would rather have a car that used hydrogen power or similar rather than Lithium batteries.
If you want to justify this then I struggle!
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I have seen the graphs and I also dont like the use of 'carbon neutral' terminology as this is an opportunity to fiddle.
It is like saying I can fly around the world as long as I plant some trees.

We still have a way to go to get a greener world. In UK wind power is definitely the way to go, but we need to exploit tidal power. I dont understand the NIMBY view about wind turbines on land or at sea. Less sure about the nuclear power option due to cleanup costs after decommissioning. Until we get fusion powered nuclear this remains a significant issue.
 
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I paid 2.417/litre yesterday but that was € rather than £. Diesel is significantly cheaper.
 
vintageman said:
Fires in electric vehicles are a bigger(pro-rata) problem than fossil fuelled vehicles where most fires occur after crashes. The risk is minimal when parked or refuelling; however EV can combust at any time.
https://www.westernjournal.com/elec...res-hundreds-thousands-dollars-damage-caused/
Would you want an EV in an integral garage?
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I dont think that would be something I would have considered but it is something to think about. I guess that there are two issues to consider a Lithium battery going bad and also the charger itself.
I guess most people would want the charger in a garage but it would seem that is also part of the fire risk.
Lots of new and different problems to consider and learn about.
 
Paid 196.9 today in Bicester Tesco.
 
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6 years and this is all you can talk about?
 
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Mr Bump said:
And?
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You need to step away from the keyboard.
Its always the same with you, you find someone to argue with around midnight.
 
jknights said:
I dont think that would be something I would have considered but it is something to think about. I guess that there are two issues to consider a Lithium battery going bad and also the charger itself.
I guess most people would want the charger in a garage but it would seem that is also part of the fire risk.
Lots of new and different problems to consider and learn about.
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There is someone in our village with an electric 5 series BMW. Every time we go for a walk, it is on their drive plugged in and charging. I have never seen the car actually move from that spot. Another point, how many people have a drive right next to their house? I know that 50% of people in my road don't have that luxury. So, people without a drive, garage or off road parking next to their house, how are they going to charge their electric vehicle? How long does a battery last in an EV, because I have seen electric cars for sale, where the seller says the car still has a 30 mile range and they want £10K for it - what a complete joke! How on earth could I go on a European holiday using an EV? How long would it tamke me to do a 2000 mile round trip, bearing in mind charging times? Like yourself, I have no desire to splash out £30K for a Zoe, what a collossal waste of cash. I have owned my Alfa GT (diesel) for 5 years now and it has taken us to the Black Forest, Champagne region, Burgundy, Vienna in absolute comfort, averaging around 50mpg all the time. It cost £3K in 2017. The cheapest Renault Zoe on Autotrader is a 2013 model with 34K miles a range of 130 miles, takes 12 hours for a full charge and 3.5 hours for a quick charge. That useless piece of rubbish will set you back £6,490.

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andya700 said:
There is someone in our village with an electric 5 series BMW. Every time we go for a walk, it is on their drive plugged in and charging. I have never seen the car actually move from that spot.
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MK council are slowing installing a few dozen road side EV , charging points.
Initially they were to be marked out bays, EV use only.
The ones most local to me. ( 8) There is a stretch of road a couple of 100 yards long, between 2 bends.
Weekends and evenings its nose to tail with peoples cars, not an EV insight.

When all this was pointed out, they eventually dropped the exclusivity parking.
The charging points I must admit are well placed though, in the roadside grass verge.

The other local ones( 6) are poles on the path, making it tricky for wheel chair users pram pushers etc, to pass.
The only EV I've seen locally on charge, is on the guys drive..
 
I remember milk floats getting stranded when they ran out of juice (battery not Orange).
Some things never change
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
However, it's "ordinary people" who are largely to blame for our problems.

Those who don't vote, those who don't contact their representatives at any level (parish, district, county or national) to make their views known... these are the real problem.

If you want a democracy to work, you have to do your share - not just say "I can't be bothered with all this nonsense".

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Vote for who exactly? It is not like there is real choice. One political system, two parties for the illusion.
Contact? Sure. They don't read, and don't care. They rather despise us. And worst case they will refer you to police for whatever little hate nonsense they invented last week.
It is a mere illusion of democracy I'm afraid; I have so much laughter watching Boris or Trudeau lecturing about Putin.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Hope you will say exactly that paying many times over for your groceries and just about everything else. Hell, this sounds like from a billionaire who will still afford all their little luxuries while laughing at us mortal pheasants.
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Yeah, they're definitely plucking us up the arse.....
 
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