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Just watched a video from this morning of quite a few fully laden fuel tankers laying offshore in ligwy bay anglesy . According to local comments they have been there a few days , the general consensus is there waiting for the oil prices to rise before unloading . The captains will obviously be under orders from the owners . Talk about being taken for total mugs .. .
 
the black fox said:
Just watched a video from this morning of quite a few fully laden fuel tankers laying offshore in ligwy bay anglesy . According to local comments they have been there a few days , the general consensus is there waiting for the oil prices to rise before unloading . The captains will obviously be under orders from the owners . Talk about being taken for total mugs .. .
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Are they carrying refined fuels i.e. distribution ready or are they crude oil carriers awaiting delivery to a refinery? Can make a lot of difference........

PS I looked and the nearest refinery is at Stanlow Ellesmere Port approx 70 miles away and no obvious bunkering/distribution centre on Anglesey for refined fuels.
 
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Box Brownie said:
Are they carrying refined fuels i.e. distribution ready or are they crude oil carriers awaiting delivery to a refinery? Can make a lot of difference........

PS I looked and the nearest refinery is at Stanlow Ellesmere Port approx 70 miles away and no obvious bunkering/distribution centre on Anglesey for refined fuels.
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Correct and it’s their probable destination, . No weather problems or tidal either currently . They will be crude carriers I would think
 
lindsay said:
I just filled up at £1.80/litre diesel. Slightly painful! Hopefully I can make it last a couple of weeks.
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Wow local garages here now at £1.89.9 but we have got the Easter holidays coming up in a tourist area .
 
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the black fox said:
Wow local garages here now at £189.9 but we have got the Easter holidays coming up in a tourist area .
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We are a touristy area too, but that was enough of a shock! Glad I filled the van a week ago at £1.60
 
I'm keeping mine topped off each week as a way to manage things. We have a drive to France coming up in a few weeks, and it makes me glad for the approx 60mpg I get from the present car compared to about 46-48mpg for the previous one.
 
i'm off to Sheffield tomorrow to pick up an old PC thats 80 miles round trip :-(
 
It's £1.90 in Bootle,
 
Today's price, doesn't seem so bad compared to others. Although it does vary quite wildly between local stations, even of the same fuel brand.

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Less than a mile away a few minutes earlier:

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142,9 for unleaded at Richmond Sainsbury's and I thought I did well to fill the Golf on Saturday at 145.9p....

We can say the Government won't stand in the way of the fuel prices, just imagine all the extra VAT coming in.
 
welshwizard645 said:
142,9 for unleaded at Richmond Sainsbury's and I thought I did well to fill the Golf on Saturday at 145.9p....

We can say the Government won't stand in the way of the fuel prices, just imagine all the extra VAT coming in.
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It would appear that the EU and numerous European countries are reducing their duty and VAT rates on fuel, but I'm not hearing very much from Starmer & Reeves about helping us out.

Although, as I posted elsewhere, keeping the prices high might help prevent shortages - but it will most likely cause inflation if it continues for too long.


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Better pop a link in for this as well, don't want to make things overly challenging for some:

www.independent.co.uk

Reeves urged to follow European countries and take action amid rising fuel prices

Diesel price hits highest level since December 2022, prompting more calls for No 10 to protect consumers
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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the black fox said:
Just watched a video from this morning of quite a few fully laden fuel tankers laying offshore in ligwy bay anglesy . According to local comments they have been there a few days , the general consensus is there waiting for the oil prices to rise before unloading . The captains will obviously be under orders from the owners . Talk about being taken for total mugs .. .
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Tramp tankers are nothing new. My stepfather in laws brother used to work on them. Sail towards one port with a shipment of oil, owners mange to get a better price and off they sail to a different port. Or hang around a couple of days to get more money.
 
It's clearly just blatant profiteering, and it isn't limited to the fuel that we put into our road vehicles. Red diesel prices have risen far more sharply, and I can't even tell you what they are. When we enquired last week, the answer was that they're waiting for a delivery, when it comes they will send out a tanker to fill our bowsers and they will know the price at the point of delivery.

There's a special problem here, there is no choice of supplier, so they know full well that we will have to pay whatever they charge. Just to put the whole thing in perspective, our largest tractor takes 650 litres in its tank:(
 
Garry Edwards said:
It's clearly just blatant profiteering, and it isn't limited to the fuel that we put into our road vehicles. Red diesel prices have risen far more sharply, and I can't even tell you what they are. When we enquired last week, the answer was that they're waiting for a delivery, when it comes they will send out a tanker to fill our bowsers and they will know the price at the point of delivery.

There's a special problem here, there is no choice of supplier, so they know full well that we will have to pay whatever they charge. Just to put the whole thing in perspective, our largest tractor takes 650 litres in its tank:(
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I've also heard from a few people that red diesel has increased disproportionately more than compared to derv, which seems strange considering it's effectively the same stuff. It certainly does seem to be a case of profiteering.
 
Our Esso garage is now charging 165.9 for unleaded and 190.9 for diesel.
 
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Garry Edwards said:
It's clearly just blatant profiteering, and it isn't limited to the fuel that we put into our road vehicles. Red diesel prices have risen far more sharply, and I can't even tell you what they are. When we enquired last week, the answer was that they're waiting for a delivery, when it comes they will send out a tanker to fill our bowsers and they will know the price at the point of delivery.

There's a special problem here, there is no choice of supplier, so they know full well that we will have to pay whatever they charge. Just to put the whole thing in perspective, our largest tractor takes 650 litres in its tank:(
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Similar issue with heating oil.
 
Sorry, don't get it?

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Ah yes I see, sorry!!
 
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I didn’t know till yesterday that we don’t even refine diesel in the u.k anymore apparently it’s all imported, and it looks likely we will suffer shortages in April
 
Having to import it would cause a rise like that with a bit of profiteering for good measure.
 
the black fox said:
I didn’t know till yesterday that we don’t even refine diesel in the u.k anymore apparently it’s all imported, and it looks likely we will suffer shortages in April
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Humber, Stanlow, Pembroke and Fawley refineries all produce Diesel, Petrol and Aviation fuel.
 
the black fox said:
I didn’t know till yesterday that we don’t even refine diesel in the u.k anymore apparently it’s all imported, and it looks likely we will suffer shortages in April
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according to Google we do but we import a lot.

Diesel for the UK is primarily refined at four major coastal refineries: Fawley (ExxonMobil), Humber (Phillips 66), Pembroke (Valero), and Stanlow (EET Fuels/Essar). These sites, mostly located on the coast, produce roughly half of the UK's diesel, with the remainder imported, largely from Europe and the US
 
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Correct and it’s their probable destination, . No weather problems or tidal either currently . They will be crude carriers I would think
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A bit more information which to some might be of interest. Some of these tankers might have moved since I looked them up earlier.

The tankers off Anglesey: Atlantic Emerald from Arzew (Algeria) 109,201 tonnes Crude Oil, almost certainly for Tranmere. Hafnia Triton from Sullom Voe (UK) for Tranmere. STI Grace 109,999 tonnes Crude Oil from Houston for Tranmere.

Other tankers in the Liverpool area. NQ Tulipa Refined Oil (can be Petrol/Diesel/Lubricant Oil or possibly chemicals of some sort. from Bilbao (Spain) to Liverpool. Ardmore Dauntless In ballast from Tranmere to Corpus Christi (USA)

As far as we are concerned it doesn't mater much at all because successive UK governments since the 1950's have destroyed our Merchant Navy. We are now without one, if a serious war starts we will have to surrender faster than the French did in 1940.

Between September 1939 and May 1945, there was no Phoney War at sea, the Merchant Navy suffered the loss of approximately 31,000 men out of those who sailed on merchant ships. The percentage loss rate exceeds that of the armed services.

They were all volunteers, no conscripts. Today they are totally forgotten, yet without them there would have been no Battle of Britain as the RAF would have had no fuel for the planes and no food for the rest of the population to eat.
 
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Commercial bulk prices are usually quite a good indicator of what's going to happen at the pumps because there's usually a week or so lag with the public pump prices. It's handy to know when to fill up when I had a diesel car.

On Monday I was seeing commercial rates for regular diesel of 159.99ppl (191 incl. VAT) whilst the public pumps were at 181/185ppl (incl. VAT), so you can see the lag right there because commercial rates are usually about 10ppl cheaper than the pumps. This would indicate a fairly steep increase to come at the public pumps. But it's getting worse, I'm now seeing 167ppl (200ppl incl. VAT) for regular diesel for next week, factor in the 10ppl difference then we could be looking at some very steep diesel prices at the pumps soon.

Another spike in crude cost:

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