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I would read if someone died with Covid that they may have died from something else.
If they died from Covid then it was the primary factor and they may have had something else too, but not necessarily.
But that may be just my take on it.
 
MatBin said:
I would read if someone died with Covid that they may have died from something else.
If they died from Covid then it was the primary factor and they may have had something else too, but not necessarily.
But that may be just my take on it.
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That's the way I would interpret it too.
 
chris954 said:
BBC reports on deaths with/from covid 19.
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Ah! I understand now.

MatBin said:
I would read if someone died with Covid that they may have died from something else.
If they died from Covid then it was the primary factor and they may have had something else too, but not necessarily.
But that may be just my take on it.
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nilagin said:
That's the way I would interpret it too.
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:agree:

Though I do think the looser use of English even on BBC reporting sometimes leave something to be desired when it comes to clarity :banghead:
 
Nobody ever died of AIDS - it's not fatal. They died with AIDS - the disease depressed their immune system to the point that other common diseases were fatal.

Same thing with the Covid - it's not in itself killing that many people. They are dying of other things.

But yeah, the BBC used to be good at grammar.
 
JonathanRyan said:
Nobody ever died of AIDS - it's not fatal. They died with AIDS - the disease depressed their immune system to the point that other common diseases were fatal.

Same thing with the Covid - it's not in itself killing that many people. They are dying of other things.

But yeah, the BBC used to be good at grammar.
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When reading the BBC news site I sometimes have to read headlines over and over again and even then they just don't make sense, ditto when I click on the link and read the story often they seem to be written by a distracted 17 year old on a coffee break and whilst on facebook.
 
This was a bugbear of mine when COVID first hit as potentially it could sensationalise a death toll. They were reporting deaths as xxx from COVID but have now moved to XXX deaths where the person had tested positive for COVID.

The former suggests that every death was as of a result of contracting COVID, the latter infers that they died with COVID in their system. Unless every attributed death has had a post mortum the actual number due solely to COVID (suppressed the immune system or severely increased the underlying condition) could be vastly over counted.

How many people have died where COVID was contracted and the person was just a carrier or they were infected close to time of death and the virus had not established and was not in any way a factor in the cause of death? How many people were on their last days with no chance of recovery and then were infected and their death occured days sooner - by days rather than weeks- than expected?
Without this information the total death rate is vague and may not be representative of the true number nor mean it is as lethal as published. Like wise the number of vulnerable that would of passed in the last 3 months anyway from contracting normal flu or such like. Its said that until we get to next year we cant compare deaths overall and see the actual effect COVID has had.

It would be interesting to see if after 12 months COVID was only responsible for the premature passing of people - i.e the number of people passing is the same as the previous 12 months or is there a time bomb waiting in the wings where so many vulnerable people have isolated that there could be a spike not due to COVID later in the year

I want to make it clear that this is purely objective thinking out loud and I in no way want to suggest or trivialise anyone that has passed or lost someone or make it out it is anything less than tragic the number of people that have lost their lives.
 
AgentOrange76 said:
This was a bugbear of mine when COVID first hit as potentially it could sensationalise a death toll. They were reporting deaths as xxx from COVID but have now moved to XXX deaths where the person had tested positive for COVID.

The former suggests that every death was as of a result of contracting COVID, the latter infers that they died with COVID in their system. Unless every attributed death has had a post mortum the actual number due solely to COVID (suppressed the immune system or severely increased the underlying condition) could be vastly over counted.

How many people have died where COVID was contracted and the person was just a carrier or they were infected close to time of death and the virus had not established and was not in any way a factor in the cause of death? How many people were on their last days with no chance of recovery and then were infected and their death occured days sooner - by days rather than weeks- than expected?
Without this information the total death rate is vague and may not be representative of the true number nor mean it is as lethal as published. Like wise the number of vulnerable that would of passed in the last 3 months anyway from contracting normal flu or such like. Its said that until we get to next year we cant compare deaths overall and see the actual effect COVID has had.

It would be interesting to see if after 12 months COVID was only responsible for the premature passing of people - i.e the number of people passing is the same as the previous 12 months or is there a time bomb waiting in the wings where so many vulnerable people have isolated that there could be a spike not due to COVID later in the year

I want to make it clear that this is purely objective thinking out loud and I in no way want to suggest or trivialise anyone that has passed or lost someone or make it out it is anything less than tragic the number of people that have lost their lives.
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There have been a few statements where talk about the total deaths being a certain figure above previous numbers in previous non Pandemic affected years......and on the face of it the difference (statistically?) is quite likely to have Covid-19 as significant contributing factor. Granted IMO this can only be a 'raw data' way of looking at the numbers but is possible logical & relevant in trying to understand the affect of this pandemic virus!

Only time will tell, once the epidemiologists and other analysts 'crunch' the numbers will a clear(er) picture emerge.

But as you say/infer, all the deaths are an individual tragedy for their families ~ they are not just 'figures' on a spreadsheet!
 
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JonathanRyan said:
the BBC used to be good at grammar.
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These days, when it comes to grammar, it seems a lot of 'journalists/reporters' don't even know the difference between sat and sitting. "I've been sat indoors all day." No you haven't, you've been sitting indoors all day. Basic, primary school level, grammar!
 
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What bugs me is since this started no deaths have been reported or attributed to ,cancer,heart failure,strokes ,old age ,natural causes . AIDS/hiv etc etc ..
a gent I know through my son in law died of it last week but he had bad breathing problems anyway and was admitted to hospital where he also picked up covid , perhaps they should put cause of death hospitalisation .
We are not being told the whole story or whole truth and that’s if they even know ,this goverments reaction to this has been weak and insipid at best .
 
the black fox said:
We are not being told the whole story or whole truth and that’s if they even know ,this goverments reaction to this has been weak and insipid at best .
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What would you be saying now if the government had acted the same as the some others? The French and/or the Chinese for examples?

Listening to R5 this morning I'm again staggered at what's happening around me so I'd probably agree with more draconian measures and more authoritarian government but I bet some people constantly critisising the government would be running up and down screaming in the streets if it happened here.
 
AgentOrange76 said:
This was a bugbear of mine when COVID first hit as potentially it could sensationalise a death toll. They were reporting deaths as xxx from COVID but have now moved to XXX deaths where the person had tested positive for COVID...
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I have no confidence at all that any truth will be arrived at. The media will see to that.
 
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