Fridge the fly?

Avatar now changed to a live bee :D

This one was not harmed in any way during the taking :D

I now feel cleansed :D
 
Anyone thought about what the wife would say on opening a container in the fridge and spotting half a dozens insects in there, well I wouldn't here the last of it I'd guess. :lol:
 
EdinburghGary said:
I would not beat myslef up about it, but I would feel like a **** though. When I was younger, I was pretty mean to beasties - likea lot of kids I would stand on spiders, capture bees in Jars, and cut worms in half.

Looking back, I wish I had not done any of it, I really do feel like a right barsteward...

I often wonder...

If there is a family unit of some beasties (dunno what kind would live in a family group), and then one of us kills one, how do we know that the rest of the family will not crave and need the poor thing we have killed?

I know they are only beasties, but we cannot pretend to understand the emotions and needs of all the creatures "beneath us".

Anyway, relax - silly thing to do, guessing you won't do it again :)

Gary.
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I think most kids go through that stage (boys anyway, not sure about girls). I went through a sunshine/ magnifying glass/ laserbeaming woodlice period when I was about 7. Not to get all heavy on a Monday morning but it's a natural developmental stage, and to do with learning about life and death and your role in the universe.....and that.

Would I do it now? No way. I'm now soft as you like about all animals/ beasties and literally wouldn't hurt a fly. I now catch stuff in a glass and put them outside.

People however are another story. Did anyone watch Dexter?
 
When i was a young lad, I was the opposite, when my mum squished things with her slipper, I used to cry and go mad at her, I was always a catch and release.

And for the most part, I am now. I don't like unnecessarily squashing things. That's not to say I've not done it, I have.

I used to feel incredibly guilty, but I don't now. Wasps get killed, everything else I prefer to release (except thunderflies, they get 'clapped').
 
Marcel said:
And for the most part, I am now. I don't like unnecessarily squashing things. That's not to say I've not done it, I have. SNIP. Wasps get killed, everything else I prefer to release
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Indeed.

EdinburghGary said:
No worries :D I have shaved my head, the orange robe is in the post and I have booked a one way ticket to Thailand...:lol:
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:D:D:D
 
When animals are caught in the wild they are drugged bundled into a small box and taken to zoos where photographers go to photograph them, making a little bug cold for a few minutes isn't as bad in the scheme of things so knock yourself out :)

Bees are good and I don't hurt them, they make honey :) spiders on the other hand get destroyed on sight by me or the cat in my place :lol:
 
tbh, there is probally less effort taking a photo of an insect in its natural surroundings doing what it does, than faffing on trying to catch it, putting in your fridge for some time then having to set up a limp insect on a realistic looking setting (that you will also have to sort out)

dont you think !
 
Col_M: On one hand without spiders the insects would rule the world destroy plants, cause infection and illness like we have never seen. Spiders are needed to keep insects in check. ;)
 
It's also bad luck to kill a spider.
Must say my cats also don't seem to take heed of this though.
 
Ajophotog said:
Col_M: On one hand without spiders the insects would rule the world destroy plants, cause infection and illness like we have never seen. Spiders are needed to keep insects in check. ;)
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Oh I know, outside my flat they can roam free and happy and keep us free from insect overpopulation. I have an irrational fear of them and can't even bear be in the same room as one and the only way to know I'll be ok is to kill it. :gag:

And I have no problem with people who like to leave them alone to do as they want, that's cool too :)
 
Hi all

What a lot of response this generated :)

As I said in the first post
Splog said:
Personally, I wouldn't but just wondered what everyone else feels about this?
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It is quite interesting that nobody actually admitted to doing this much and glad to hear it, although I suspect it happens quite a lot, but that's just my opinion :)
 
Splog said:
Hi all

What a lot of response this generated :)

As I said in the first post


It is quite interesting that nobody actually admitted to doing this much and glad to hear it, although I suspect it happens quite a lot, but that's just my opinion :)
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Why? It would never even cross my mind to "freeze" an insect, its a totally random thing to do, crazy almost :)

Much more satisfying I bet to capture the insect doings its stuff naturally, I am super sh*t but hope to be able to capture such moments one day...

Gary.
 
Splog said:
It is quite interesting that nobody actually admitted to doing this much and glad to hear it, although I suspect it happens quite a lot, but that's just my opinion :)
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Ahem, I refer you to my 'confession' above :(!!!

But I am now a changed man :D
 
I can say it is something I have never done and probably never will. ;)
 
EdinburghGary said:
Why? It would never even cross my mind to "freeze" an insect, its a totally random thing to do, crazy almost :).
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I totally agree, TBH it was something I read about a while ago when I first thought of trying macro
 
I am not into macro myself but I don't see the harm in doing that actually. I know that I'll get reactions now but I do it all the time for keeping my fishing baits (maggots, worms and some times crickets) hybernated, which keeps them alive for longer actually. Ok, I do have some obsessions from the female member of the house, when there is one:D.

One thing to consider (sorry Dark Star) is that, whenever a bee gets diverted from its destination, it eventually dies from starvation. A bee will know exactly where the food source is (closest flowers) so, it will eat the exact amount of honey from the hive just to get there, to gather more pollen (or i think that's what it's called in English). Don't you sometimes see bees just crawling on the floor, or on the grass or just not being able to fly. Those are bees that got diverted from their destination for some reason. Whenever I see a bee in that state, i take some water, add lots of sugar, stir until the sugar dissolves and offer it to the bee in a single drop on the end of my finger. At that point the bee climbs on your finger and starts drinking the sugared water. After a few moments it flies away. It's quite rewarding actually, and I could never harm a bee. Mosquitoes, wasps and cockroaches are quite a different story though. Those get the "special" treatment.

I've seen people putting flies in the fridge just to lassoe them with strings and watch them fly afterwards, with a long thread hanging from them. Others put 4 flies in the fridge just to keep them steady enough to super glue them on a model airplane made out of two matches to see it flying. They find this amusing. What, you don't believe me?.
So, if someone is new in macro photography, finds it difficult to maintain focus or to work in such shallow depth of field and shows respect for the insect, then why not, just to try and learn the craft if for no other reason. I know it's more demanding and more rewarding to capture a fly in its environment, but I see the reason why some people would choose that way.

Saying that, I must again say that I don't own a macro lens, nor tubes or macro filters or whatsoever. I am not into macro. But I think it's ridiculus when people feel offended by someone who accidentally forgot a bee in the fridge but still eat their juicy steak without thinking how it got in their plate in the first place.

And no, insects don't live in families, most of them have no brain, only rather simple nervous systems, have no recollection, no memory, no feelings, just instincts.
 
stylgeo said:
Don't you sometimes see bees just crawling on the floor, or on the grass or just not being able to fly. Those are bees that got diverted from their destination for some reason.
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Ok I have stayed out long enough in with both feet :D
bees & wasps will travel upto half a mile looking for food, the ones on the floor are the ones that have got wet and / or cold. Bees and wasps navigate by magnetic North and the sun They are attracted to bright light hence the dead flying insects you find in your house are 99% of the time on the window cill or very close to it they have largely died of starvation


stylgeo said:
and I could never harm a bee. Mosquitoes, wasps and cockroaches are quite a different story though. Those get the "special" treatment.
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What gives a wasp / cockroach / mossie any less right to life than a bee?

stylgeo said:
And no, insects don't live in families, most of them have no brain, only rather simple nervous systems, have no recollection, no memory, no feelings, just instincts.
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And yes insects most certainly do live in familly groups
A wasp nest will contain upto 5000 wasps in the late summer all controlled by the queen ( who is their biological mother BTW)
They all have their little tasks to perform and each one knows exactly what its doing has to do.
Ants the queen again controlls thousands of her subjects similar to the wasps and bees with pheromones.
Each scout when it finds food remembers where it was to go collect the rest of the tribe.

Cockroachs for example the female carries her eggs on her back to "brood" them.
once hatched they disembark to forage on their own although the familly group splits at this point they generally live in close proximity.
Invertabrates most certainly have a brain and a very primative nervous system.......
 
Cobra said:
Ok I have stayed out long enough in with both feet :D
bees & wasps will travel upto half a mile looking for food, the ones on the floor are the ones that have got wet and / or cold. Bees and wasps navigate by magnetic North and the sun They are attracted to bright light hence the dead flying insects you find in your house are 99% of the time on the window cill or very close to it they have largely died of starvation



What gives a wasp / cockroach / mossie any less right to life than a bee?



And yes insects most certainly do live in familly groups
A wasp nest will contain upto 5000 wasps in the late summer all controlled by the queen ( who is their biological mother BTW)
They all have their little tasks to perform and each one knows exactly what its doing has to do.
Ants the queen again controlls thousands of her subjects similar to the wasps and bees with pheromones.
Each scout when it finds food remembers where it was to go collect the rest of the tribe.

Cockroachs for example the female carries her eggs on her back to "brood" them.
once hatched they disembark to forage on their own although the familly group splits at this point they generally live in close proximity.
Invertabrates most certainly have a brain and a very primative nervous system.......
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Ok, bees are one of the most organised insect groups in the world, and THE most studied one. The bees you are referring to are those who have the task of looking for flowers close by. When they find the area with food they will come to the hive and pinpoint the exact location to the others. How they do that? They start flapping their wings while walking on the hive walls. The direction they walk is the direction of the food source, while the amount of flaps-total distance walked is analogous to the distance of the food in that direction. The reason they are given EXACT distance is that because the honey is needed by the larvae, they will eat the EXACT amount of honey (the rest of the bunch) to go to their destination. Those are the bees I am talking about.

As for the beasties with a less right to live, no difference whatsoever, it's just a personal thing. I personaly hate cockroaches so I kill them because they are discusting, I kill wasps because my flatmate is allergic and I kill mosquitoes because they bite at night and carry diseases.

As for the families, I was just answering to a previous post that one family member will be missed etc etc. Insects don't have the psychological family bonds that us humans do. It's just for own preservation and they don't miss or mourn their dead, for god's sake!
 
stylgeo said:
It's just for own preservation
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And thats why virtually every single living animal ( including us) lives in groups safety in numbers:D
stylgeo said:
and they don't miss or mourn their dead, for god's sake!
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No mostly they ( lower animals) don't. and mostly they don't waste them either, they will eat them :thumbs:
 
stylgeo said:
As for the families, I was just answering to a previous post that one family member will be missed etc etc. Insects don't have the psychological family bonds that us humans do. It's just for own preservation and they don't miss or mourn their dead, for god's sake!
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Oh dear.... Now I'm getting drawn in :D IMHO we Humans are very good at judging against our own standards and beliefs, I personally find it a little bit sad that when any creature displays intelligence we call it instinct :thinking: how can we possibly know what feelings other creature have ?.....
 
It's still funny John ;) :schtum: :lol:
 
I`ve had my fill of killing all sorts of things.I don`t kill anything on purpose anymore.
 
Perhaps we should just let it bee :D
 
Grendel said:
Perhaps we should just let it bee :D
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"let it bee, let it bee, speaking words of wisdom let it bee" :D
Oh jeeze that was bad even for me :bang:
 
Hahaha, the funny thing is, I am just watching an old X-files episode that I just randomly selected from my collection. Guess what it's about... Killer bees...
Spooky!!:D
 
Cobra said:
"let it bee, let it bee, speaking words of wisdom let it bee" :D
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(H)I've a similar song buzzing round in my head :lol: :lol: :D
 
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