Freddie the seal mauled by a dog...

SFTPhotography said:
I'm more than happy to get further away from a dog :)

But leads should be mandatory imho. Saves the owner the embarrassment of trying to retrieve their dog should it take an interest in a random public member.
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we'll never agree about dogs, so let's stick with the friendly Mickey taking. Its so much more fun :)
 
sphexx said:
I think when some dogs are retrained restrained on a lead they feel insecure in some way. I had a dog that was perfectly OK with other dogs when off the lead, in fact fairly uninterested in dogs or people, but on the lead would bite anything within reach (the leash, my leg etc) if another dog was even on the other side of the road in some circumstances ;(.

Edit: restrained!
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I think its because they can't move as they would like. Body language (as you know) is fantastically important to dogs and leads restrict their ability to move as they want, a dog pulling on a lead straining forward looks very aggressive (to another dog). I think also a dog can't just get out of the way so the flight options is removed when they're on a lead, even if that flight is only to take a step back.
 
darkroom12 said:
Probably nothing. There is no offence.
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What's the difference between a deer and a seal?
Owner gets fined £600 for his dog attacking a deer, so why should the owner of the dog that attacked the seal get off scot free?

Oh wait.....one was in a Royal Park...ridiculous....

www.standard.co.uk

Moment dog attacks deer in Richmond Park as owner fined £600

Several passers-by formed a human barrier to protect the animal, which had to be put down after the mauling
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
 
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Bobsyeruncle said:
What's the difference between a deer and a seal?
Owner gets fined £600 for his dog attacking a deer, so why should the owner of the dog that attacked the seal get off scot free?

Oh wait.....one was in a Royal Park...ridiculous....

www.standard.co.uk

Moment dog attacks deer in Richmond Park as owner fined £600

Several passers-by formed a human barrier to protect the animal, which had to be put down after the mauling
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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The deer was a captive animal and was crown property. That is no different from the sheep. cattle, or horses that may be kept by farmer Giles. They are not wild animals like the seal. Apart from any other provisions, the Royal Parks have strict byelaws governing the conduct of dog owners when in the precinct of the parks, so that is what the difference is. Like it or not, that's the law.
 
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boyfalldown said:
I'm not really sure how her house is relevant (or there is another report this morning naming her father (what)). How she'll ever get a reasonable trial is beyond me
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That is the modern world we live in - trial by media and populist reaction.

It's OK, the beavers will have the answer, they have the answer to every other wildlife situation apparently. :rolleyes:
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Ah, sorry, didn't notice it was a link....
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I meant did you miss adding a link when you said it was Oct. last year?
I thought you were giving another example.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
What's the difference between a deer and a seal?
Owner gets fined £600 for his dog attacking a deer, so why should the owner of the dog that attacked the seal get off scot free?

Oh wait.....one was in a Royal Park...ridiculous....

www.standard.co.uk

Moment dog attacks deer in Richmond Park as owner fined £600

Several passers-by formed a human barrier to protect the animal, which had to be put down after the mauling
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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No one should be allowed to own a Labrador, vicious brutes :(.
 
sphexx said:
What‘s the difference between a deer and a rat?
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I know that deer tastes good. Not tried rat. Not much meat on them either.
 
sphexx said:
I think dogs would be mostly OK, humans not :( .
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I should expect that neck to be quite fragile, although they may also be pretty quick to move it out of the way if threatened.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Rats are considered to be vermin?
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I tend not to use the word vermin, however deer can fall into that category too depending on circumstances :(.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
What has a labrador got to do with anything?
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In response to the clip posted and following the general tenor of posting about these isolated incidents ;).
 
sphexx said:
I tend not to use the word vermin, however deer can fall into that category too depending on circumstances :(.
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Vermin tends to be an old word these days with most things being reclassified as pests..

SNH advisor on non-native species, said: "Muntjac deer are among the most destructive animal pests in Britain. "They damage young trees and coppiced woodland and, where they are in high numbers, they can cause damage to cereal crops and orchards.
 
Cobra said:
SNH advisor on non-native species, said: "Muntjac deer are among the most destructive animal pests in Britain. "They damage young trees and coppiced woodland and, where they are in high numbers, they can cause damage to cereal crops and orchards.
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interestingly ( or probably not if you're not geeky like me) there was a paper published in Global Change Biology (paywalled, sorry) that reckoned the spread of invasive species worldwide was going to be responsible for a 20-30% loss of bio diversity.
 
boyfalldown said:
that reckoned the spread of invasive species worldwide was going to be responsible for a 20-30% loss of bio diversity.
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I quite believe it !
 
boyfalldown said:
interestingly ( or probably not if you're not geeky like me) there was a paper published in Global Change Biology (paywalled, sorry) that reckoned the spread of invasive species worldwide was going to be responsible for a 20-30% loss of bio diversity.
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I dare say that’s correct about invasive species but there was a report (probably in the Grauniad) the other day saying that forest/jungle clearance and monocultures (including re-afforestatio) results in the loss of specialists of all kinds and favours generalists like rodents, which sounds likely :).
 
sphexx said:
that forest/jungle clearance and monocultures (including re-afforestatio) results in the loss of specialists of all kinds and favours generalists like rodents
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Indeed there are many factors involved.
But closer to home Grey v Red squirrel is a classic example.
 
As my biology teacher told us in his A-level class, many decades ago: "Evolution is a description, not a process. If you think otherwise, you've totally missed the point". :wideyed: :naughty:
 
boyfalldown said:
I have a mutual (dog owning) friend with the lady who’s dog this was. Her children have been getting death threats. FFS
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I’m not surprised judging by the responses in this thread by the (so far as I can tell) reasonable end of the population :(.
 
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