Fracking

First of all as I understand it, it's £20k per well to the communities affected not £20k per household affected...second of all in the UK you don't own the land under your home after the first few metres same with the air over your home you only own/control the first few metres
 
MWHCVT said:
First of all as I understand it, it's £20k per well to the communities affected not £20k per household affected...second of all in the UK you don't own the land under your home after the first few metres same with the air over your home you only own/control the first few metres
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If there were a prize, you'd have won it (y)
 
As far as I can gather from this thread, some bloke on the internet reckons he has a mate who works in the fracking industry and says there's nothing to worry about. Anyone who questions that is a loathsome oik.
Some threads on here are frackin' brilliant. You couldn't make it up.
 
MWHCVT said:
First of all as I understand it, it's £20k per well to the communities affected not £20k per household affected...second of all in the UK you don't own the land under your home after the first few metres same with the air over your home you only own/control the first few metres
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Yes, highly unlikely you own the mineral rights,on my property the mineral rights are owned by the church commisioners and have been for yonks.
 
simon ess said:
As far as I can gather from this thread, some bloke on the internet reckons he has a mate who works in the fracking industry and says there's nothing to worry about. Anyone who questions that is a loathsome oik.
Some threads on here are frackin' brilliant. You couldn't make it up.
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Whereas it ain't true unless it's on YouTube or shows up on the first page of Google, is it? I know frack all about fracking, but maybe, just maybe his mate does! :thinking:
 
Yves Geza said:
Whereas it ain't true unless it's on YouTube or shows up on the first page of Google, is it? I know frack all about fracking, but maybe, just maybe his mate does! :thinking:
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Drives an Audi too....and breeds wolves :-)
 
Reminds me of the Fast Show.

"Ain't fracking brilliant? You pump stuff in and get, like, energy out. Brilliant."

"What stuff."

"Oh, you know, stuff.

"What happens to this stuff?"

Well, that's the brilliant bit. It just like, goes away. Brilliant ain't it?"

:D
 
Evening all, I rarely venture into these parts, and having quaffed a few, I do wonder how much energy we waste.

I wonder now much energy we could save by simply turning off lights...I know, I know...it ain't that simple..or is it ????

Night all.
 
posiview said:
Evening all, I rarely venture into these parts, and having quaffed a few, I do wonder how much energy we waste.

I wonder now much energy we could save by simply turning off lights...I know, I know...it ain't that simple..or is it ????

Night all.
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Your PC with dual monitor setup probably uses more power than a few CCFL bulbs :)
 
posiview said:
Evening all, I rarely venture into these parts, and having quaffed a few, I do wonder how much energy we waste.

I wonder now much energy we could save by simply turning off lights...I know, I know...it ain't that simple..or is it ????

Night all.
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Bloody council turn off the street lights here at midnight now. If I ever had to get up in the night, getting around was easy. Not so now.
 
Tbh as there is money in fracking public opinion won`t count for anything and when it`s been found I doubt it`ll be any cheaper
 
ruffdog64 said:
Tbh as there is money in fracking public opinion won`t count for anything and when it`s been found I doubt it`ll be any cheaper
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Give us a clue.
When what is found, what will probably not be cheaper?
 
viv1969 said:
Bloody council turn off the street lights here at midnight now. If I ever had to get up in the night, getting around was easy. Not so now.
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May be we should have a whip round and buy Ruth a night light :lol:
 
ST4 said:
It's fine. Nothing to worry about. NIMBY mentality, I wouldn't give a t055 either way
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Its nothing to worry about - so long as they keep the flipping frack fluids out of the aquifer , which they probably won't unless its properly regulated , which it probably won't be.

I'm not particularly bothered about it being under my property (not least cause i'm on sandstone with a complete absence of gas), but I am bothered about the disposal of the waste fluids not being allowed to contaminate and polute either drinikng water or local water courses in general etc

In the states Frack fluid is supposed to be disposed of by pumping it down disposal wells (ie exhausted wells that take it down considerably below aquifer level), however it has been apparently been repeatedly found to be being illicitly dumped as a cost saving measure - should we trust the UK companies are more responsible and less venal than their US counterparts ? or shall we just close our eyes and hope for the best ?
 
big soft moose said:
Its nothing to worry about - so long as they keep the flipping frack fluids out of the aquifer , which they probably won't unless its properly regulated , which it probably won't be.

I'm not particularly bothered about it being under my property (not least cause i'm on sandstone with a complete absence of gas), but I am bothered about the disposal of the waste fluids not being allowed to contaminate and polute either drinikng water or local water courses in general etc

In the states Frack fluid is supposed to be disposed of by pumping it down disposal wells (ie exhausted wells that take it down considerably below aquifer level), however it has been apparently been repeatedly found to be being illicitly dumped as a cost saving measure - should we trust the UK companies are more responsible and less venal than their US counterparts ? or shall we just close our eyes and hope for the best ?
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Has there been any problems with fracking in the UK? IIRC none, I'd not worry about it.
 
ST4 said:
Has there been any problems with fracking in the UK? IIRC none, I'd not worry about it.
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Has there been much fracking in the Uk (and yes i know theres been some) ? - as it expands the chances for cock ups vastly increase - hence the need for regulation

Theres never been a serious nuclear power station incident in the Uk either (small leaks at sellafeild , drig, and sizewell excepted) but it doesnt follow that we shouldnt learn the lessons of chernobyl and fukasawka just because they happened abroad
 
Cobra said:
Fracking? / fracturing?
I'm not convinced that setting off, of explosive charges a mile of so underground,
is the brightest move ever.
I would hope that the geologists, would have done their homework properly,
for fault lines etc.

And not just say, Ooo I didn't expect that to happen,
at the next violent earthquake,
or indeed as already mentioned, a contaminated water table.
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The fracking is done hydraulically. Its a surprisingly simple process where different sections of the well bore are fractured in sequence to be able to control it better.
 
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big soft moose said:
Has there been much fracking in the Uk (and yes i know theres been some) ? - as it expands the chances for cock ups vastly increase - hence the need for regulation

Theres never been a serious nuclear power station incident in the Uk either (small leaks at sellafeild , drig, and sizewell excepted) but it doesnt follow that we shouldnt learn the lessons of chernobyl and fukasawka just because they happened abroad
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My friend, he works in the industry, says the safe gaurds and everything thats done there won't be a problem. Honestly, it's fine.

I liken it to flying, some are scared of it, but its still totally safe. Its an irrational fear.
 
ST4 said:
I liken it to flying, some are scared of it, but its still totally safe. Its an irrational fear.
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A number of malaysian airlines passengers would probably disagree
 
ST4 said:
My friend, he works in the industry, says the safe gaurds and everything thats done there won't be a problem. Honestly, it's fine.

I liken it to flying, some are scared of it, but its still totally safe. Its an irrational fear.
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Well, an irrational fear...no.
I think you need a little look-see at what that means :-)
 
Gaz J said:
The fracking is done hydraulically. Its a surprisingly simple process where different sections of the well bore are fractured in sequence to be able to control it better.
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And what happens to the recovered frack fluid (which isnt generally water - usually its a mixture of multiple chemicals including propane, alcohol, methanol , various acids, thickeners etc) ?
 
also "my mate says" - seriously ? is this the same "mate" who got arrested for speeding - you know the one that turned out not to exist ?
 
big soft moose said:
also "my mate says" - seriously ? is this the same "mate" who got arrested for speeding - you know the one that turned out not to exist ?
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I've loads of mates done for speeding?

Anyway, you can choose to ignore what I've told you as you see fit. Just thought I'd weigh in with someone elses knowledge who works in the industry and said "I'd be totally fine with it beneath my house". His words, not mine.
 
ST4 said:
Anyway, you can choose to ignore what I've told you as you see fit. Just thought I'd weigh in with someone elses knowledge who works in the industry and said "I'd be totally fine with it beneath my house". His words, not mine.
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yeah well ive got a mate* who works in the industry and he says its ridiculously dangerous and really he's suprised the government allow it at all




(* this 'mate' is totally fictious and only mentioned to illustrate the pointlessness of "my mate says..." )
 
ST4 said:
My friend, he works in the industry, says the safe gaurds and everything thats done there won't be a problem. Honestly, it's fine.

I liken it to flying, some are scared of it, but its still totally safe. Its an irrational fear.
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What's your mates name then, assuming he's not just the security guard on the back gate at the local oil refinery, he must have some pretty impressive credentials to make such an assuring statement...

Lets roll back time a little, and we have this new like wonder product for insulating pipes and stuff, it's amazing and perfectly safe...it's called asbestos
 
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ST4 said:
Has there been any problems with fracking in the UK? IIRC none, I'd not worry about it.
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There have been problems in the states with a recent $3million dollar payout to a family who's health had been seriously damaged due to fracking, or so the jury reckons. Whilst this is the first such judgment apparently previous complaints have been dealt with out of court with secrecy clauses. There is a possibility that chemicals can spill into the ground and surface water with research finding higher than expected levels of the chemicals used in fracking, some of these chemicals are there naturally, in areas where fracking is ongoing. Now I do not believe everything I read on the internet and I am happy to be reassured that fracking is safe but at the moment I just don't feel that the long term effects of fracking have been fully investigated and I worry that one day widespread fracking will cause a major environmental disaster
 
MWHCVT said:
What's your mates name then,
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marmite

imo there should be an internet rule like Godwin that anyone who utters the words "my mate says" as a way of trying to claim expertise on a topic automatically loses and ends it - unless said mate is willing to be named and quoted its no more believable than the perenial " my mate works at canon and he says" stuff you get over at canon rumours.
 
big soft moose said:
And what happens to the recovered frack fluid (which isnt generally water - usually its a mixture of multiple chemicals including propane, alcohol, methanol , various acids, thickeners etc) ?
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Im not suggesting its safe or that there arent issues to overcome, including the chemicals that are used and very high quantities of water. Im just pointing out that they dont use explosives to frac. There are over 50 chemicals that are regularly used for fracking. Controls have to be in place to legislate how these chemicals are used and recovered. There are massive amount of chemicals, muds etc used in the drilling of normal wells and strict controls to govern their use, recovery and treatment. The days of tipping them overboard are long gone. Technology in well drilling, design and completion including the chemicals used has advanced massively.
 
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Gaz J said:
Im not suggesting its safe or that there arent issues to overcome, including the chemicals that are used and very high quantities of water. Im just pointing out that they dont use explosives to frac. There are over 50 chemicals that are regularly used for fracking. Controls have to be in place to legislate how these chemicals are used and recovered. There are massive amount of chemicals, muds etc used in the drilling of normal wells and strict controls to govern their use, recovery and treatment. The days of tipping them overboard are long gone. Technology in well drilling, design and completion including the chemicals used has advanced massively.
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But it doesn't preclude a mistake, or an accident...look at the Gulf of Mexico a couple of years back...okay that isn't fracking...
 
Nod said:
I'll chip in a Tena...
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You're back on the list Noddy.

Perhaps if Steve' s mate could just tell me everything's ok........
 
Why would I put someone who is a senior engineers at a major global companies details all over the web.

Don't believe me, I'm cool. I just know, after raising concerns, that its totally fine and we should be doing more of it, not less of it.
 
Gaz J said:
The fracking is done hydraulically. Its a surprisingly simple process where different sections of the well bore are fractured in sequence to be able to control it better.
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Its curious, there is still an explosion underground
however minor that may be,
It doesn't take a lot to kick off an earthquake.

I had cause recently to excavate a couple of decent sized tree stumps,
from hardened clay.
It didn't take that long to expose the roots using a pressure washer,
and create a void under them.

Its the voids and mini explosions that concern me.
Even if they are "Controlled"
There is a great saying, it applies mostly to "wildlife"
BUT "Nature Apporres a vacuum"
 
ST4 said:
Why would I put someone who is a senior engineers at a major global companies details all over the web.
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No, of course not, that would be ridiculous.

You could though, via your mate, point us in the direction of a detailed breakdown of the chemicals used, the waste chemical extraction process, the procedures in place to ensure the total and safe extraction of those chemicals, the contingency plans in place to deal with a procedural or mechanical malfunction of said process, the research into the sub-structural impact of the process, its impact on surface structural integrity and other such issues.

As much as I would like to believe your mate, I'm afraid I'm one of those loathsome oiks who likes to ask questions. No answers = no deal.

But clearly your mate has all the answers, so no problem.
 
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