Fracking

beyond the blue said:
300mtrs down, no problem! We already live over old coal seams only a couple of hundred feet down.
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Yes but I'm assuming you were aware of that when you chose your property. What I dislike about these proposals is the absence of choice.
 
viv1969 said:
Yes but I'm assuming you were aware of that when you chose your property. What I dislike about these proposals is the absence of choice.
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Yes exactly they changed the law to allow it to be done without the landowners or house owners consent
They want to frack in some SSI sites too shouldn't be allowed considering the pollution risk
 
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ST4 said:
It's fine. Nothing to worry about. NIMBY mentality, I wouldn't give a t055 either way
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Colour me shocked :rolleyes:
 
ST4 said:
It's fine. Nothing to worry about. NIMBY mentality, I wouldn't give a t055 either way
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Not everybody agrees
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/25/justice/texas-family-wins-fracking-lawsuit/
Apparently there are plenty of others but most are settled out of court with secrecy clauses

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/ksinding/new_scientific_evidence_on_fra.html

http://www.montereyherald.com/opini...phillips-time-press-pause-california-fracking

Now I really don't know one way or the other if its dangerous or not but what really worries me I don't think anyone else does either Genuine concerns are being ignored in the rush for profits. In 20 years time we may regret the decision not to look at this in more detail.
 
It's not so much what goes on directly beneath your house, but what might come out elsewhere as the chemicals get into the water table.
 
f1harlie said:
It's not so much what goes on directly beneath your house, but what might come out elsewhere as the chemicals get into the water table.
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Yes that is what I am concerned about
There have been several cases in the US of the water table being contaminated
 
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ST4 said:
Fair enoughI would be totally ok with it near me, as I would be with a Nuclear station or Windfarm.
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Agree with you on the windfarm and nuclear
I have a friend in the industry and its apparently now safe in the UK at least but there were some mistakes in the past
 
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I do think that before too long there is likely to be a breakthrough in making nuclear based energy cheaper, safer and feasable on a personal use level.
 
BBC news last night quoted the companies stating that any house they frack under would receive £20,000 compensation each, now whilst this sounds great ask yourselves why would a company freely give that sort of money away if theres was no problem drilling

Kind Regards
Gordon
 
viv1969 said:
I do think that before too long there is likely to be a breakthrough in making nuclear based energy cheaper, safer and feasable on a personal use level.
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Yes that will happen I think not sure how far off it is but nuclear fusion is the future
Clean unlimited energy
 
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Oh good grief.

Fracking as a legitimate technique to extract gas has been around for decades. Something like 70 years - and 50 years in the UK I think. It's only come to the fore recently because the great unwashed have little else to whinge about. No longer can they protest about cruise at Greenham Common, Poll Tax or fox hunting. Loathsome oiks.

Where's me water cannon?
 
2blue4banned st: 6282277 said:
Oh good grief.

Fracking as a legitimate technique to extract gas has been around for decades. Something like 70 years - and 50 years in the UK I think. It's only come to the fore recently because the great unwashed have little else to whinge about. No longer can they protest about cruise at Greenham Common, Poll Tax or fox hunting. Loathsome oiks.

Where's me water cannon?
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Germany has banned fracking at least for now so that they can properly asses any risks to health or the environment
What's wrong with that approach?
Once the water table has been contaminated you're buggered
 
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2blue4u said:
Oh good grief.

Fracking as a legitimate technique to extract gas has been around for decades. Something like 70 years - and 50 years in the UK I think. It's only come to the fore recently because the great unwashed have little else to whinge about. No longer can they protest about cruise at Greenham Common, Poll Tax or fox hunting. Loathsome oiks.

Where's me water cannon?
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They've moved onto fracking, CO2, halal meat, bull fighting and Foie Gras.

Miserable people complain about great things.
 
ST4 said:
They've moved onto fracking, CO2, halal meat, bull fighting and Foie Gras.

Miserable people complain about great things.
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Like dogs...wolves. ..et al.
 
Fracking? / fracturing?
I'm not convinced that setting off, of explosive charges a mile of so underground,
is the brightest move ever.
I would hope that the geologists, would have done their homework properly,
for fault lines etc.

And not just say, Ooo I didn't expect that to happen,
at the next violent earthquake,
or indeed as already mentioned, a contaminated water table.
 
lizdebs said:
BBC news last night quoted the companies stating that any house they frack under would receive £20,000 compensation each, now whilst this sounds great ask yourselves why would a company freely give that sort of money away if theres was no problem drilling

Kind Regards
Gordon
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Probably because the gas is under your property hence it sort of is "yours". Hence some compensation for that gas is fair
 
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daugirdas said:
Probably because the gas is under your property hence it sort of is "yours". Hence some compensation for that gas is fair
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Hmmmm good point I wonder if it really is?
And would "ownership" actually stand up in court?
As you can bet your bottom dollar, that there will be far more than 20K's worth if they are going to extract it ;)
 
I'm against Nuclear energy only because of the fallout side of things, we barely know how to correctly store the waste at the moment. Plus it is a short term plant in terms of the longevity of output. I prefer wind farms, I would personally rather see a white turbine than knowing that the air my kids will breathe in the future is getting dirtier.

There are soo many renewable energy patents stored away - bought by energy providers so that they can't be monopolised out of the market etc. I just don't think it's fair with what state we are in, completely controlled by large corps making profits so they have power to dictate and flood the market......

From what I remember, Shell owns most of the worlds renewable energy patents and are kept under lock and key so that people can't use them :(
 
Cobra said:
Hmmmm good point I wonder if it really is?
And would "ownership" actually stand up in court?
As you can bet your bottom dollar, that there will be far more than 20K's worth if they are going to extract it ;)
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You could read the full law article and tell us if its different.

I am sure it could be more than 20k or perhaps next to nothing. The trouble is the extraction requires serious equipment and distribution channels and ordinary people are unlikely to have those or be able to afford them. As always the big companies come out even richer.
 
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Flightphoto said:
I'm against Nuclear energy only because of the fallout side of things, we barely know how to correctly store the waste at the moment. Plus it is a short term plant in terms of the longevity of output. I prefer wind farms, I would personally rather see a white turbine than knowing that the air my kids will breathe in the future is getting dirtier.

There are soo many renewable energy patents stored away - bought by energy providers so that they can't be monopolised out of the market etc. I just don't think it's fair with what state we are in, completely controlled by large corps making profits so they have power to dictate and flood the market......

From what I remember, Shell owns most of the worlds renewable energy patents and are kept under lock and key so that people can't use them :(
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let's get realistic. Wind turbines have NO chance to supply all our electricity any time soon. Yet every minute we burn crazy amount of fossil fuels contaminating the planet. Any thought about some nuclear waste being anywhere near as detrimental is wholly insane. If we keep at burning coal the consequences will soon be equal to many warheads going off at the same time. So let's get scared about something you don't properly understand and continue killing the planet Earth.
 
daugirdas said:
You could read the full law article and tell us if its different. .
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I could do but as they are hardly likely to do it under my house,
I was just musing ;)
daugirdas said:
let's get realistic. Wind turbines have NO chance to supply all our electricity any time soon. .
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It maybe an urban myth but on some talk show or other (May have been Radio 2 with Jeremy Vine)
The point was made that it take's more energy to produce a "windmill" than that windmill can ever produce in its "life span"
I love those quirky anecdotes :)
 
Cobra said:
It maybe an urban myth but on some talk show or other (May have been Radio 2 with Jeremy Vine)
The point was made that it take's more energy to produce a "windmill" than that windmill can every produce in its "life span"
I love those quirky anecdotes :)
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I wouldn't mind to see some research articles about it. It may be similar to electric cars. They make sense (from environmental point of view) in Norway or France where electricity is generated in less polluting means than for example Poland (stinky COAL!!!) or even UK. Also building of EVs consume a lot of energy by itself, but we can presume that technology will get better here and it needs investment & testing.
 
daugirdas said:
I wouldn't mind to see some research articles about it. It may be similar to electric cars. ....
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Who know's in all honesty, the Pro's and anti's all have their "pet figures"
and we, Joe public just have to make up our minds on the information presented.

The other slightly more disturbing one of course is the amount of migrating birds, Buzzards and peregrines that fly into the windmills and die.
allegedly 600,000 bats are killed too.
That does seem rather a lot TBH.

Who knows?
 
I'll never understand why we don't use water for our power ? We are , after all , an Island , surrounded by the dam stuff ! I belived the IOM has been doing this for a good few years now & it's apparently cheaper & more efficient at producing power than wind turbines & I suspect possibly safer than Fracking ?

just my thoughts....
 
Whatever the real situation regarding fracking, ATEOTD it's only yet another feeble attempt to maintain some sort of business as usual. The real problem is what to do about a population which expects the energy fairy to somehow keep the lights on, the central heating working and the petrol pumps supplied with petrol while it keeps its head in the sand. Fracking isn't any kind of solution to the energy problem. At best it's a diversion away from the real issue.

BTW, has anybody yet come up with the answer to the question of what happens to the vast quantity of contaminated water produced as the gas/oil is forced out?
 
lizdebs said:
BBC news last night quoted the companies stating that any house they frack under would receive £20,000 compensation each, now whilst this sounds great ask yourselves why would a company freely give that sort of money away if theres was no problem drilling

Kind Regards
Gordon
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I wonder what rights you have to sign away to get the 20k?
 
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