"Found your lost bag, but I'm keeping your camera..."

[andya700]

I didn't say what I would do Mr holier than thou preacher man. I said they would of been better off not sending it back at all as the police will be looking for them.

I am just an honest person like many in the World, and indeed like many on here, and your attitude makes me sick , because you are sick and you are not to be trusted if you really act like this.
Your attitude is no different to the rioters who thought they would join in because everyone else was doing it, and because they were only nicking stuff, not burning peoples businesses.

Please feel free to report this post, if you feel at all insulted because I have called you sick, for condoning a criminal who picks and chooses what they STEAL from someone.

 

[andya700]

Calm down...

As I've mentioned, I'd rather have received what the couple did, than nothing at all. We all know what the world is like. Unless you or others go on a crusade, it won't change.

Another person who does not know the difference between right and wrong. The person who did this is a criminal.

 

[Dale_tem]

I am just an honest person like many in the World, and indeed like many on here, and your attitude makes me sick , because you are sick and you are not to be trusted if you really act like this.
Your attitude is no different to the rioters who thought they would join in because everyone else was doing it, and because they were only nicking stuff, not burning peoples businesses.

Please feel free to report this post, if you feel at all insulted because I have called you sick, for condoning a criminal who picks and chooses what they STEAL from someone.

Dismount from your high horse and learn to read.

You are not an honest person you are Mr Daily mail knee jerk reaction without actually understanding what you have read.

I once again will say that I did not say I would do this. I did not say they were right or wrong.

I do not feel insulted, I feel sorry for you as you seem to be unable to grasp what I have said.

Step away from the keyboard, please reread what I have typed.

 

[andya700]

Dismount from your high horse and learn to read.

You are not an honest person you are Mr Daily mail knee jerk reaction without actually understanding what you have read.

I once again will say that I did not say I would do this. I did not say they were right or wrong.

I do not feel insulted, I feel sorry for you as you seem to be unable to grasp what I have said.

Step away from the keyboard, please reread what I have typed.

This is what you said:

"If the person who found the bag had just kept it, nothing would of/could of happened.

As they were mostly nice and had the right intentions, they now have the chance of being caught.

Personally I would be perfectly happy to accept the bag back sans camera due to the stress of loosing things.

They lost it, they should be happy to get what they got back."


You regard criminals who hand back some things as "mostly nice".

I don't read the Daily Wail for various reasons, and I fail to see how you can say that I am not an honest person.

 

[Dale_tem]

They could of kept it all and they wouldn't of been found out.

They chose to return most of the items. Why would they do that if they didn't have some kindness in them?

 

[Matty777]

What exactly is theft? I mean if I find a fiver in the street and pick it up is it theft? If I find a camera, laptop or £20k is that theft? Legally I don't know? Ok, all would keep the fiver, and most would hand a laptop to police, but if I chose not to hand in is that an offence? Ok this is different but as they found the bag then are they not the owner now?

.

Ignorance to the Law is no defence.

Yes, keeping the fiver you found is theft.

It's called theft by finding.
And as for " but as they found the bag then are they not the owner now?"..... let me think for a nano second.........NO



And as to the person that sent the bag back minus the camera, it's kind of something for a shrink to work out, they are either a thief or not, they seem to want to be both....very confusing behaviour

 

[Andysnap]

Thief, pure and simple. The dishonesty in this country (and elsewhere I suspect) is now an epidemic of selfish, me generation behaviour.
My wife had a similar experience when she left her purse in a phone box. At the time she was also trying to deal with our son who was only a few weeks old and was crying. Someone found the purse and sent it back minus the cash (which we could ill afford to lose) and a note saying that he had kept the money to teach her a lesson. If I'd have caught the b****rd I'd have taught him a lesson.

The bag should have been handed in to lost property or returned intact to the people who lost it. There is no reason for debate they were the only honest options.

Andy

 

[cambsno]

I know that this place is generally a friendly place, but the fact that you put the word "thief" in inverted commas, shows that you have some sympathy with the criminal classes.

No, because I was unsure about the legalities of finding something and keeping it - see my other post!

The main reason that many people posting here shocked at the lack or morals today, comes down to the fact that there is no discipline/punishment/fear of getting caught there used to be. I am a realist and while I may not agree with many things I see why they go on. In the old days, if you got caught doing something wrong, you got a clip round the ear or punished in a grotty prison - not sent on some course with a socail worker who defends you as you had a poor childhood. You see persistant criminals getting away scot free or with trivial punishments time and time again, which sends the message out that its ok to do wrong.

 

[User.30879]

Shocking behaviour. But doesn't surprise me at all. I get more change than required a lot in the shops by me ( dont think they can count ha ha ) but always give it back without thought, find something give it back to the owners plain & simple. Don't take out what you want & then send it back with a chav note in ! Out of order.

 

[cambsno]

Thief, pure and simple. The dishonesty in this country (and elsewhere I suspect) is now an epidemic of selfish, me generation behaviour.
My wife had a similar experience when she left her purse in a phone box. At the time she was also trying to deal with our son who was only a few weeks old and was crying. Someone found the purse and sent it back minus the cash (which we could ill afford to lose) and a note saying that he had kept the money to teach her a lesson. If I'd have caught the b****rd I'd have taught him a lesson.

The bag should have been handed in to lost property or returned intact to the people who lost it. There is no reason for debate they were the only honest options.

Andy

Did this happen in a large town? I live in the sticks, but also spend a lot of time working in London and other towns and find it is like living in 2 countries!! In London you need to keep your wits about you, I am always checking pockets and never leaving anything around. In the villages near me though, we have honesty boxes for various things etc... and they never get abused. I think people are less inclined to 'poo on their own doorstep' so small villages with limted people passing through will hopefully stay like that.

 

[cambsno]

They could of kept it all and they wouldn't of been found out.

They chose to return most of the items. Why would they do that if they didn't have some kindness in them?

I seem to be one of the few that agrees with you!!!

There were 3 possible outcomes:

Best case - entire contents posted back or given to police/lost property
Worst case - you never see anything again
Middle case - what happened

If this happened to me, the only thing I would care about would be the memory stick with holiday pics on as that cannot be replaced. Actually, I would love that to happen to me as I could then get a new D400 (if they ever release one) and new 70-200 VR2 from the insurance!!

 

[elphesadente]

Another person who does not know the difference between right and wrong. The person who did this is a criminal.

You don't even know me + as Dale says, you really need to go and read back what people have written.

If I'd have caught the b****rd I'd have taught him a lesson.
Andy

What about bashing someone? Is that ok?

 

[Andysnap]

What about bashing someone? Is that ok?

Never said I'd bash him, just teach him a lesson. Probably a long sermon about morality....

Cambsno, it actually happened in Nantwich which is a small (and quite posh) market town in Cheshire.

Andy

 

[cowasaki]

Obviously not someone that heeds the warnings about unattended baggage at airports. Would have been poetic justice if the bag had actually been a bomb....

 

[elphesadente]

Never said I'd bash him, just teach him a lesson. Probably a long sermon about morality....
Andy

Fair enough!

 

[Byker28i]

Please feel free to report this post, if you feel at all insulted because I have called you sick...

That's OK - I have a shocking cold at the moment. Lemsip anyone?

I'm a strong believer in Karma - what goes around comes around. My daughter lost her phone, someone found it, looked through the numbers, found mum and called. We dropped off chocolates and wine as a thank you.

I found a phone half submerged in the local lake, took it home dried it out in a bag of rice, charged it and it worked. Did the same trick and was able to return a phone to a school girl who'd lost it and was in trouble with her parents.

Found a couple of other items that were left on roofs of cars, then driven off - which is why I mentioned it. One went to the cop shop with the reg number of the car as it was all I had. The other I managed to flag down.

Long shot I know, but I try to treat people the way I'd like to be treated.

 

[Dale_tem]

That's OK - I have a shocking cold at the moment. Lemsip anyone?

I'm a strong believer in Karma - what goes around comes around. My daughter lost her phone, someone found it, looked through the numbers, found mum and called. We dropped off chocolates and wine as a thank you.

I found a phone half submerged in the local lake, took it home dried it out in a bag of rice, charged it and it worked. Did the same trick and was able to return a phone to a school girl who'd lost it and was in trouble with her parents.

Found a couple of other items that were left on roofs of cars, then driven off - which is why I mentioned it. One went to the cop shop with the reg number of the car as it was all I had. The other I managed to flag down.

Long shot I know, but I try to treat people the way I'd like to be treated.

I completely agree.

But sadly you can't expect that of other people and that is the missed point I was making.

I've lost a wallet in Birmingham at an exhibition, a person found it, checked the bank cards and dropped it in to their local branch who contacted me and I went and collected it. I have a loose wedding ring which must of fallen off on the school run with the kids. It was handed in and the person notified the school who announced it in the school letter and I went and collected the ring. I have also left a bag for about 15 minutes in a luggage area (I forgot to collect and went back) to find it missing and never returned.

I have had some things returned and some things not returned.

I personally hand in anything I find to where I think is the most sensible. I found a set of keys outside the local Co-op, so handed them in to the Co-op as they would of returned there. I have found a wallet with ID and tracked that person down. I have found a phone and was able to return it to the person who was nearby and had not realised they had lost it.

You should not expect it however. You lost it or forgot it, you should expect it not to be returned. If it is returned treat it as a bonus, not as a matter of fact.

 

[straycat]

i found a student nurses wallet with money and credit cards and more important documents driving licence etc.things i would be devasted to loose

i went on facebook to trace them and give it back.its a small community around here.
she came round with her boyfriend they where both totaly ungrateful didnt even say thanks.

i didnt expect a reward just a thank you.
when i think about their attitude they probaly did need to be taught a lesson but thats not me.

i should of taken it to the police station,but that was way out of my way and i was busy.
once i had found it i felt obliged to try and return it,but i did not want the responsibilitie.
they had by their carelessnes thrust on me

 

[MartynK]

I don't know whether I'm more appalled at the behaviour of the thief, or some of the views in this thread.

It would never occur to me to keep a bag, any of the contents, money or anything else I found; and it doesn't matter in the least if the owner was careless.

I had to catch a late flight out of New Delhi last year. I was knackered, had a few drinks while I was waiting, and bought a couple of books in the departure area. A young Indian lady from the bookshop caught up with me after I left the store - she must have run, because I was some distance away - and returned my credit card, which I'd left at the counter. Yes, I was careless, and yes, I was very grateful. I thanked her, and gave her a few $ USD, and I really got the impression that the 'thank you' meant more to her. It certainly made my day, or evening.

 

[straycat]

looking at what i wrote the last word sums it up


care less

 

[Dale_tem]

I don't know whether I'm more appalled at the behaviour of the thief, or some of the views in this thread.

It would never occur to me to keep a bag, any of the contents, money or anything else I found; and it doesn't matter in the least if the owner was careless.

I had to catch a late flight out of New Delhi last year. I was knackered, had a few drinks while I was waiting, and bought a couple of books in the departure area. A young Indian lady from the bookshop caught up with me after I left the store - she must have run, because I was some distance away - and returned my credit card, which I'd left at the counter. Yes, I was careless, and yes, I was very grateful. I thanked her, and gave her a few $ USD, and I really got the impression that the 'thank you' meant more to her. It certainly made my day, or evening.

Will all the High Horse brigade please dismount??!!

Start at the beginning of the thread and see how many people said the person was right to keep the camera?? How many said they would do what the person did?

I think you find people have said that you should not expect items back when you loose them and the fact they got the bag, passports and memory card back, they should feel happy that they got something back.

This is the world we live in, not a happy lovely colourful world full of happy people that are always nice. It is full of people who blame everyone else for what happens to them and feel they deserve what ever they find as their life is hard.

:bang:

 

[elphesadente]

I don't know whether I'm more appalled at the behaviour of the thief, or some of the views in this thread.

I'd love you to point them out, because frankly, I think you're missing the point like a few others on here.

Can you please point out, with quotes, anybody that has agreed with the actions of the person returning the bag? Or am I missing the point myself? Is there something else that's angered you in this thread?

 

[f1charlie]

The person who took the camera is a thief - if a burglar broke into your house but only took half of the stuff he could have taken would you feel grateful to him?

What's more criminal is the use of 'would of' and 'could of' in this thread. It's 'would have' and 'could have'!

 

[elphesadente]

Will all the High Horse brigade please dismount??!!

Start at the beginning of the thread and see how many people said the person was right to keep the camera?? How many said they would do what the person did?

I think you find people have said that you should not expect items back when you loose them and the fact they got the bag, passports and memory card back, they should feel happy that they got something back.

This is the world we live in, not a happy lovely colourful world full of happy people that are always nice. It is full of people who blame everyone else for what happens to them and feel they deserve what ever they find as their life is hard.

:bang:

Touche

 

[MartynK]

I'd love you to point them out, because frankly, I think you're missing the point like a few others on here.

Can you please point out, with quotes, anybody that has agreed with the actions of the person returning the bag? Or am I missing the point myself? Is there something else that's angered you in this thread?

Sure. Post 5; "As they were mostly nice and had the right intentions, they now have the chance of being caught". They were "mostly nice and had the right intentions", so they only stole the camera? That's fine then?

Post 10: "My 2 pence... Why not just keep the cash and send everything else back, unless they were desperate for a camera (which may not have had leads and stuff with it). To a degree, I can see their point - which idiot leaves a bag containing cash, camera and passports lying around??? If you are that supid and careless then dont moan if something happens!" So stealing the cash is OK, and the thief has a point because the owner was stupid and careless?

Just so we're clear, I'm not angry. Why should I be? I'm appalled. It's not the same thing.

 

[Dale_tem]

The person who took the camera is a thief - if a burglar broke into your house but only took half of the stuff he could have taken would you feel grateful to him?

What's more criminal is the use of 'would of' and 'could of' in this thread. It's 'would have' and 'could have'!

for the people hard of understanding let me first say

FINDING STUFF AND KEEPING IT IS WRONG

BREAKING AND ENTERING IS WRONG

However they are completely different on the scale of wrongness.

If you want to put them in the same boat, can I also add in speeding and ripping CDs to your computer/mp3 player or copying CDs/records to tape as they are both illegal.

Finding an item and keeping it is opportunistic, it still wrong, but they have taken advantage of a situation. Some people get paid to do this and other people make money from this. They watch for mistakes made by other people and use the mistake to make money.

Breaking into a house involves criminal intention from the start, forcibly gaining entry is slightly different to finding a bag on the ground.

I of course need to end with they are both wrong and I do not condone these actions.

 

[Dale_tem]

Sure. Post 5; "As they were mostly nice and had the right intentions, they now have the chance of being caught". They were "mostly nice and had the right intentions", so they only stole the camera? That's fine then?

Post 10: "My 2 pence... Why not just keep the cash and send everything else back, unless they were desperate for a camera (which may not have had leads and stuff with it). To a degree, I can see their point - which idiot leaves a bag containing cash, camera and passports lying around??? If you are that supid and careless then dont moan if something happens!" So stealing the cash is OK, and the thief has a point because the owner was stupid and careless?

Just so we're clear, I'm not angry. Why should I be? I'm appalled. It's not the same thing.

Where did I agree?

Normally you have 2 options when you find something...

Return it
Keep it

The decided to do something inbetween, they realised the stress involved in passports etc., they realised the sentiment of the photos. How is that not nice??? How can you argue that that part is not nice?

If you count up the number of items in the bag, they returned 80% of them and kept 1 item. I can say they returned most of the items, hence they were mostly nice.

mostly nice is not the same as completely nice and is not the same as right.

For the second comment - with the world we live in, you need to careful. Your best intentions and all of those on this forum cannot change that. You need to pay attention and if you lose something, don't expect to get it back. I and many of my friends have learnt this, its basic common sense. This does not mean me or my friends would do this, it means we expect when we lose something that it is gone and we then get on with it.

 

[f1charlie]

for the people hard of understanding let me first say

And for those who are condescending, the level of wrongness may have a bearing in court, but not if it has happened to you personally.

 

[elphesadente]

Sure. Post 5; "As they were mostly nice and had the right intentions, they now have the chance of being caught". They were "mostly nice and had the right intentions", so they only stole the camera? That's fine then?

Post 10: "My 2 pence... Why not just keep the cash and send everything else back, unless they were desperate for a camera (which may not have had leads and stuff with it). To a degree, I can see their point - which idiot leaves a bag containing cash, camera and passports lying around??? If you are that supid and careless then dont moan if something happens!" So stealing the cash is OK, and the thief has a point because the owner was stupid and careless?

Just so we're clear, I'm not angry. Why should I be? I'm appalled. It's not the same thing.

Yep, both not written that well, I have to admit, but I think the context of the post is from the person that has robbed? I don't think either poster has said they would have done the same thing. I know Dale hasn't.

As I said (and I don't agree with post 10), I would have been relieved to receive back what they did, given that I had 'lost' my bag and the society we live in today. I'm not saying it's right, just grateful for having received something back.

 

[cambsno]

Sure. Post 5; "As they were mostly nice and had the right intentions, they now have the chance of being caught". They were "mostly nice and had the right intentions", so they only stole the camera? That's fine then?

Post 10: "My 2 pence... Why not just keep the cash and send everything else back, unless they were desperate for a camera (which may not have had leads and stuff with it). To a degree, I can see their point - which idiot leaves a bag containing cash, camera and passports lying around??? If you are that supid and careless then dont moan if something happens!" So stealing the cash is OK, and the thief has a point because the owner was stupid and careless?

Just so we're clear, I'm not angry. Why should I be? I'm appalled. It's not the same thing.

My point was based on real life experience. I did not say I would do that, I said that I find it strange that someone kept camera but sent cash back. I also think that if you make mistakes than you have to be prepared to pay the consequences. This could be something as simple as buying the wrong flavour ice cream from the shop and the wife moaning at you, or as serious as having 6 pints and driving home. In an ideal world the entire contents would have been sent back but the couple could just as easily have had NOTHING sent back - at least this way they keep the holiday pics.

 

[Dale_tem]

And for those who are condescending, the level of wrongness may have a bearing in court, but not if it has happened to you personally.

It has happened to me personally. I have lost something and have it not returned.

Whose fault was it? Mine.

Losing items has consequences. We hope they don't happen, they sometimes will.

You can't go through life making mistakes and expect nothing to happen. One day it will happen.

If losing a camera is their wake up call to be more careful with their belongings then in reality it is a cheap lesson.

 

[Matty777]

It has happened to me personally. I have lost something and have it not returned.

Whose fault was it? Mine.

Losing items has consequences. We hope they don't happen, they sometimes will.

You can't go through life making mistakes and expect nothing to happen. One day it will happen.

If losing a camera is their wake up call to be more careful with their belongings then in reality it is a cheap lesson.

Agreed, there are two points here:
1: Careless to misplace the bag.
2: Thieving, by the other "Finders"


And as for the bomb comment, indeed amusing.
"Oh look there's a bag over there dear"
"Quick grab it, see what's inside later"
Couple nick and go to car, then drive off.
"wow, look a camera I need a cam..................."
KAAAABOOOOM

 

[elphesadente]

You can't go through life making mistakes and expect nothing to happen. One day it will happen.

If losing a camera is their wake up call to be more careful with their belongings then in reality it is a cheap lesson.

I was on a bus travelling from Lima to Pisca in Peru. I'd just come from Brazil and for a couple of days before, travelled up to Iguazu Falls to shoot. Shot some lovely pictures and had the films in my bag which were by my feet.

A local chap gets on the bus, sits in front of me and gets off the next stop. I don't know why, but I checked my bag not long after and noticed my camera and films / cd walkman had been pinched. I had travelled too far to recover anything. I even felt the bag slide back as he shoved it towards me. Just thought it was the bus movement.

Anyway, I NEVER put a bag on the floor anymore and I'm always very careful in other situations. We learn from our mistakes and move on.

 

[cowasaki]

Yes, "Theft by Finding"...if you find something that clearly belongs to someone else, and you keep it, that is theft.

God (other deities are available) help us if people are to be punished for losing something! We have enough trouble properly punishing criminals, such as THIEVES, these days without creating new people to punish!

If you find something and take ownership of that item then that is theft and you are a criminal.

If you find something and take it to a police station and it is not collected then the item will be returned to you and you are not a criminal.

If you find a pound coin on the floor and and keep and there was no likelihood of finding the owner then this would be deemed as acceptable. BUT it would be for a court to decide when and if the actual pound's owner turned up.

Finding a bag containing ID with other things does not fall into this category and so the person has stolen the item just as clearly as if he had walked up behind the owners chair and picked it up.

 

[CT]

The police only take possession of property found in the street or other public places. They won't for example take possession of items found in shops, on trains and buses etc. these places have to take their own responsibility for retention and storage of the items.

This is actually one of the cheekiest bloody things I've read in ages - I sincerely hope she gets caught and dealt with very severely.

 

[f1charlie]

It has happened to me personally. I have lost something and have it not returned.

Whose fault was it? Mine.

Yes, it's your fault that you lost it, but it's not your fault that it wasn't returned.

It's sad that in our current society it can be seen as acceptable to keep something that does not belong to you.

 

[Catdaddy]

The police only take possession of property found in the street or other public places. They won't for example take possession of items found in shops, on trains and buses etc. these places have to take their own responsibility for retention and storage of the items.

This is actually one of the cheekiest bloody things I've read in ages - I sincerely hope she gets caught and dealt with very severely.

Agreed... so what if she lost her own camera? Assuming that she had one in the first place - let's face it, her track record in the honesty stakes isn't exactly glowing, is it?

I found a wallet and a pair of rather nice binoculars in a car park once. I assumed that they belonged to the same person, so had a look in the wallet to find out who had dropped them. They were duly returned to the rightful owner, and the 'thank you very much' was more than enough for me.

I've heard of 'paying it forward', but I hope in this case, it comes back and bites this woman on the arse...

 

[CT]

As a young copper I took a report from a guy who'd lost his wage packet in the town centre - he was frantic with worry as it was all his overtime and Christmas bonus and was a fair old sum. I had to tell him that the likelihood of it being handed in was slim. About half an hour later an elderly couple picked it up and handed it into the station intact. Gives you a nice warm feeling!

 

[Dale_tem]

Yes, it's your fault that you lost it, but it's not your fault that it wasn't returned.

It's sad that in our current society it can be seen as acceptable to keep something that does not belong to you.

This goes back to what I said further up the topic

It is 'is and isn't' and not 'should and shouldn't'

This is the world we live in and I have learnt that items won't get returned.

CT - That is the way I look at it, expect it to be lost, if it turns up its a bonus

 

[CT]

.

CT - That is the way I look at it, expect it to be lost, if it turns up its a bonus

Well I don't care who you are you have to tempted if it's only for a moment, but it's nice when people do the right thing. This cheeky mare needs to be taught a lesson!