Foot in the mouth award goes to........

All those years on herion.
His brain is probably buggered beyond repair.
 
has he got a book coming out or a dvd or something? the annoying tramp is never off our screens at the moment.
 
Just watched him and Farage on last night's debate.......
 
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No wonder that fit pop star got rid. Could you imagine arguing with him.

He's get a crack square in the face
 
OldCarlos said:
We all have our own opinions/likes/dislikes, but at least you know where you stand with Farage, unlike the vast majority of the other career mealy-mouthed politicians.
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Please......If you think one single thing he says is genuine you're a lunatic :lol:
 
I'm putting party politics to one side and just commenting on BBC QT last night.... I'm afraid Brandy-Wandy came across as a vacuous t*** and Farage the consummate broadcaster.
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Please......If you think one single thing he says is genuine you're a lunatic :LOL:
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If you believe anything, any of the present bunch of politicians on any side says you're a lunatic :)
 
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His party is gathering voters.
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so did the Nazi party in 1930s germany (doesnt mean its a good idea) - when times is tough people are always more succeptible to right wing rhetoric especially when it conveniently blames all the countries woes on a group which isnt widely liked .. in the Nazi's case jews, in ukip's imigrants (particularly those who are brown or black - clearly german imigrants arent included since Farrage married one)

I generally tend to view Brand as a collosal weapons grade bell end , but he did make a good point when he said that " our current economic problems were caused by the greed of bankers , Farage's party are funded by bankers so unsuprisingly they are blaming imigrants and disabled people " - I also quite liked his "this man [farage] is not a comic strip , or a joke, he's a poundshop Enoch Powell and we should keep a close eye on what he's doing".

The labour party lady (who's name escaped me) also tore Farrage to pieces on the issue of pettiness in politics. - strikes me that if he can't handle himself in that environment without getting all shouty he's not ready for the cut and thrust of statecraft
 
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so did the Nazi party in 1930s germany (doesnt mean its a good idea) - when times is tough people are always more succeptible to right wing rhetoric especially when it conveniently blames all the countries woes on a group which isnt widely liked .. in the Nazi's case jews, in ukip's imigrants (particularly those who are brown or black - clearly german imigrants arent included since Farrage married one)

I generally tend to view Brand as a collosal weapons grade bell end , but he did make a good point when he said that " our current economic problems were caused by the greed of bankers , Farage's party are funded by bankers so unsuprisingly they are blaming imigrants and disabled people " - I also quite liked his "this man [farage] is not a comic strip , or a joke, he's a poundshop Enoch Powell and we should keep a close eye on what he's doing".

The labour party lady (who's name escaped me) also tore Farrage to pieces on the issue of pettiness in politics. - strikes me that if he can't handle himself in that environment without getting all shouty he's not ready for the cut and thrust of statecraft
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Isn't Farages party funded from its members and donations, many of which aren't bankers? The very fact Farage is married to an immigrant German indicates there is a lack of racism or intolerance there - merely just wanting to control immigration more tightly and not have the EU open doors policy and have us outwith the EU - which actually is the cusp of the UKIP movement. Getting out of something so far removed from what we agreed to enter over 30yrs ago. Your mention of brown people is simply misguided distrust of what is a sensible enough question, is the EU right for Britain, or perhaps a guise to sully a perfectly legitimate concern into a racist one. Tell me please where UKIP say they hate brown or black people. I would like you to do that, or desist from the hysterical outbursts you make.

People in tough times are also susceptibility to left wing rhetoric, look what happened in Russia and what happened to it after the 1920's?

I don't find Farage in any level anything like these two regimes. Just a party that favours British interests and British people's interests.

Farages party won't get in, but a collition of the Tories to force the EU issue is exactly what I would like. I am a blue nose Tory, I admit, but they've become soft on the EU issue and the concerns over it. UKIP are the kick up the bum they need to give us an in/out vote
 
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ST4 said:
The very fact Farage is married to an immigrant German indicates there isn't a lack of racism or intolerance there
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That has to be one of the finest cumulative typos ever :-)
 
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big soft moose said:
so did the Nazi party in 1930s germany (doesnt mean its a good idea) - when times is tough people are always more succeptible to right wing rhetoric especially when it conveniently blames all the countries woes on a group which isnt widely liked .. in the Nazi's case jews, in ukip's imigrants (particularly those who are brown or black - clearly german imigrants arent included since Farrage married one).....
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Typical of many, especially the main stream parties who are a bit twitchy in the bum dept & scared of what many people in our country think about them & their policies, chuck out the `race` or `loony` card to try to dissuade folk from voting for UKIP, or even having an open & sensible debate. :mad: :rolleyes:

The more that folk like you try to tell people who NOT to vote for, especially via slander, innuendo & doom mongering, the more votes they will likely get. ;)

Edit. Just to say, the MAIN problem is too many people on the planet, not just on our tiny island.
 
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Isn't Farages party funded from its members and donations, many of which aren't bankers?
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in a word no - in slightly more words UKip has some very big backers in the finance industry, Farrage used to work in the sector himself - therefore its not a big suprise that he blames the credit crunch and everything that followed on scapegoats rather than the real culprits

also marrying a german doesnt show he isnt a racist - (hitler eventually married a german - he was austrian , does that mean he wasnt a racist either ?) - as i said what it shows is that his/his partys racism is directed at people of colour and people from the eastern block ... (and doubtless gypsies, jews etc). So far he hasnt wriiten a book decrying the inferior gutter races , but give him time.

ukip are generally bright enough* not to come out and actually state "if they're black send em back if they're brown send em down" but instead talk in terms of condemining Islam or economic migrants from third world countries (so coloured people then). They also miss the rather large point about brits working abroad vs imigrants working here (*leaving aside the candidate who wants to euthanise disabled children of course, and their views on breast feeding, and various other crap)

your point about left wing rhetoric doesnt realy hold water - if you look at what actually happened in russia , after the coup the bolsheviks then moved in a power vacuum and lenin only had a handful with him. Having taken power and won the civil war with the 'white ' army that followed the communists then took over the reigns of the secret police etc and carried on the same oppresion the the Czars had used for centuries. The way in which they treated their political oponents (and anyone guilty of 'wrongthink') had far more in common with totalitarian fascist regimes than anything Marx might actually have had in mind.

Do you also think "britain first" are just a party that put british needs first ?
 
OldCarlos said:
Typical of many, especially the main stream parties who are a bit twitchy in the bum dept & scared of what many people in our country think about them & their policies, chuck out the `race` or `loony` card to try to dissuade folk from voting for UKIP, or even having an open & sensible debate. :mad: :rolleyes:
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so which bit wasnt true then ?

Do people not turn to extremer groups in times of economic gloom and doom ?

Do ukip not blame the countries woes on imigrants and the disabled

Is farrage no married to an imigrant despite his stated views ?

Do ukip not have backers in the finacaial sector ?

You say you want a sensible debate - lets have one , but sensible debate includes the use of facts to support the opinions being exchanged - and facts seem distinctly short in supply in pro ukip argument , a sensible debate is not made by saying "you're wrong and i'm right so nah"
 
All I know is, I'd rather spend a few hours in the company of Brand than vote for Farage.

But then I'd rather wander naked through the lion enclosure at Longleat than vote for Farage.
 
Problem is, politics & debates, especially on forums, tend to get out of hand & lead to ..... Thread Closed
`Facts` are what folk WANT to believe. A bit like the £££££££££ numbers bankers & politicians spin out to us mere mortals.

As soon as someone uses the `race` card, it doesn't help anyone!

Bottom line is this country is going to the dogs & WE are ALL paying the price! (apart from the politicians that is & bankers who get yearly bonuses that we wouldn't earn in a lifetime)

Last year there was less spent (in % terms) on public services, than was spent in the 1930's. Oh & there are even BIGGER cuts to come than we've already suffered.
WTF is going on?
 
talking of Ukip backers

Paul Sykes - Millionaire , previously backed Maggie Thatchers conservative victory...made his money in trading scrap metal to the far east, then in property developing (building amongst other things the meadowhall shopping centre) , currently a financier

Stuart Wheeler - millionaire and ukip treasurer, previously a barrister before working in the finance industry , founder of IG index who pioneered spread betting (in over simplified terms financial instruments that allow investors to bet on occurences in the stock market , you can get rich quick or lose your shirt, ie the sort of silly s*** that indirectly led to the economic crisis)

Demetri Marchessini - Miilionaire shipping tycoon - hes the one that believes that rape can't happen within marriage and that homosexuals are all sexual predators

and so forth

Tell me please where UKIP say they hate brown or black people. I would like you to do that,
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Willian Henwood - ukip candidate "Lenny Henry should go back to a black country"

Paul wiffen - ukip candidate and london chair "You left-wing scum are all the same, wanting to hand our birthright to Romanian gypsies who beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law, the same Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into a slavery that Britain was first to abolish"

they've also recently done a deal with a far right polish MP (who denies the holocaust) in order to maintain the EFFD funding

Then you have the UKIP calypso song by Mike Read which had to be withdrawn because of its racist overtones

And thats what i found in a few minutes with google which suggests that theres probably plenty more
 
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Pete, can you also put up links for backers of the other main parties? (which will no doubt be MUCH more numerous)

Again, trying to score points by picking up on individual's comments or their past actions doesn't wash. We are ALL human with faults.

I remember last year someone asking Farage about a candidate who had been prosecuted many years previously for something. Farage replied with (paraphrasing) " Yes, he is one of the 0.05% in our party, BUT if you looked at Cons/Labour they have members @ a higher % for the same offences!"
Funnily that wasn't mentioned again ;)
 
You could - but you miss the point , the other parties arent claiming that the economic crash wasnt caused by bankers and financiers , but instead my imigrants and 'subsidising the disabled' - only ukip are taking that (frankly laughable) line

We may all be human with faults , but UKIP does seem to have collected an awful lot of racists , homophobes, and misogenists , for a party that its leader claims is emphtraically not racist (and yet boasts about having taken a third of the BNPs vote)

regarding racist remarks there was also Andrew Lampitt (poster boy for ukip) who claimed that " africans should just kill themselves off" - admittedly Farage fired him , but you have to wonder how they appointed someone like that in the first place.

various other ukip candidates have claimed that 'Islam is like a cult' , that islam is organised crime disguised as a religion , that Mo Farrah isnt british , that all nigerians are criminals, Godfrey Bloom has refered to the developing world as Bongo Bongo land , Gerrard Batten (ukip whip) wants a ban on building mosques, the list is virtiually endless and thats without moving onto remarks about women being best in the kitchen or the bedroom, or homosexuals all being child mollesters. Farage himself on being asked if someone should be wary of romanians moving into their street said " well of course, yeah"

Then theres the issue of the EFD , which farage co chairs with the head of lega nord , who has claimed the mass murder Andre Bretvik was acting in the interests of democracy - you have to wonder why someone who supposedly isnt a racist keeps that kind of company (and accepts significant funding via the group)

We may all be flawed , but we arent all running for office - those that are have to expect to be judged by their comments, their behaviour and the company they keep

source for most of the above is here http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/ukip-racism-myths_b_5271986.html but in case anyone is inclined to suggest that Mehdi Hassan is biased the examples can be verrified in various other papers including the express and the mail - neither of which is known for left wing leanings
 
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theres also Alan Sked - founder of Ukip who resigned from the party in 1997 because it "contained members who are racist and have far right views" , he also says that in 2004 Farage told him "we'll never win the N****** vote" (though to be fair Farage denies he ever said this)

Source google and wikipedia
 
So I've read so much conjecture here it's unreal. So because UKIP haven't stated they dislike Jonny Foreigner they must do. Priceless.

Where has UKIP blamed the countries woes on the disabled and immigrants? A link would be helpful. As it stands the UKIP movements about withdrawing from something that's so far evolved from what we agreed to, the EU and to control our borders more. Yet that's racist, homophobic somehow, anti Islam (what EU state is Islamic?)

The anti UKIP hysteria is laughable.
 
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So I've read so much conjecture here it's unreal. So because UKIP haven't stated they dislike Jonny Foreigner they must do. Priceless.

Where has UKIP blamed the countries woes on the disabled and immigrants? A link would be helpful. As it stands the UKIP movements about withdrawing from something that's so far evolved from what we agreed to, the EU and to control our borders more. Yet that's racist, homophobic somehow, anti Islam (what EU state is Islamic?)

The anti UKIP hysteria is laughable.
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see the recent pathetic attempt to excuse his lateness at a conference by blaming immigrants for the traffic on the M4, absolutely pathetic.
 
More insight into the UKIP voter, from their favourite paper, The Telegraph:-

Ukip is currently polling between 15 and 20 per cent among the electorate as a whole, but its support is seriously skewed towards older, less well-educated voters.
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And more:-

Indeed, one of the party’s spokespeople famously blamed its failure to do anything like as well in London as it did in the rest of the country at local and European elections on the fact that the capital had more than its fair share of "educated, cultured and young" people.
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I'm not sure listing UKIP's backers achieves very much to be honest.
The Tory parties backers are almost exclusively financial institutions, so all you have done is put them into the same bracket as the mainstream, as far as cash goes.


But on the subject of backing the labour party gets it's money, and instructions from the Union Movement, and they really did pull their strings when in Government, certainly until recently. It was biggest con jobs as far as democracy was concerned of all time.

CND was financed, to a great extent by...Oh the Soviet Union, so no conflict of interest there then was there!

There's always been someone paying the bills of every political party, to a greater or lessor extent those who bankroll have always had some form of influence.

As for Brand? A champers Socialist, if he cared that much he'd be paying his excessive wages to the 'poor'. Only he's not is he. Like many high profile so called socialists, he preaches, but doesn't practice. Bit like his wet bleating about respect, like the respect he showed Andrew Sachs?

As regards to UKIP's immigration Policy, officially, and thats all there is, yapping about what they 'might' think is just supposition, it's they want to stop the automatic 'right' of EU and other groups (old Empire Countries) to enter the UK. They want to replace that with an Australian type policy. If we need what you've got, you can come in. If we don't, then try somewhere else. I don't hear the screams of how racist that is in Australia, why should it be racist here?

If there is racism in UKIP, or anywhere else in the UK, then it's being constantly fed by the PC Industry. Treat everyone the same, and stop this stupid "Hate" crimes silliness. Treat everyone equally, and stop treating people as special cases simply because they scream "it's cause I'm sky blue pink" simply to get their own way.
 
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Well said Bernie. ;)

Lets get back to some semblance of common sense in this country. We're all in it together, after all.
 
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