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Hi all,

this is my first post on this amazing forum. I've been having a look around for an answer to my question, both on this board and on others and haven't found out what I'm looking for.

I need a flashgun for some wedding / portrait photography. But I admit, I am an absolute novice when it comes to flash photography. I am using a Canon 550d, but looking at upgrading to a 5d or similar later in the year.

Trouble is, i have absolutely no idea what I need. I have look at a few models and frankly, the specs confuse me. Can anyone advise what the E-TTL II/ E-TTL/TTL, FE lock, High-speed sync etc actually means?

My budget for a flash gun is £0 - £250. Which is the "best" for that amount of money - in terms of reliability, manual control and ease of use. Ideally, i would like the flashgun to have wireless capability so I can set it on a tripod in the future. What other equipment would I need to do this.
 
Hi vaughan, i've just gone through the same thing, lots of help on here.

If you want to mount it on the camera and forget about it you will need ETTL/II that way you can switch the camera to P and let it get on with it, if you know more about wha your doing you can put it off camera but it will need to be in manual mode, so you need more knowledge to use this mode.

I plumped for the Speedlight 430 EXII but only because i found a good one on the classified section of the forum. (you need more posts before you can access this part). All EX Canon flashguns will work in ETTL, and they have HSS (High Speed Sync) which allows you to use them for fill in flash in the daylight as it allows a faster shutter speed to be used with the flash instead of the standard sync speed.

I was also looking at the Nissin DI 622 and the DI 866 both come within your price range, if i remember rightly the 866 offers HSS but not the 622.

Also the YONGNUO brand seem popular as they are cheaper.

For your money you should be able to get a Canon 430 EXII new, or a second hand.

Dales currently have Canons flagship flash the 580EXII second hand for £299 if you can stretch another £50 but it may be more than you need.

http://www.dalephotographic.co.uk/m..._142541/1/Used%20Light%20Meters%20%2B%20Flash
 
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That's a lot of questions in the OP, but I agree with Russ. You really need a gun with HSS and that's within budget for a Canon 430EXii. Metz 50 AF-1 is the best third party I think, or Nissin 866. All great guns. I would worry about off-camera later, but the big Nissin does have master remote controller built in, to use with another gun, as does Canon 580.

There's a lot to learn, but start by pointing the gun at the ceiling and using the pull-out bounce card (which the 430 doesn't have - use a business card and a rubber band!). Then continue by pointing it anywhere except directly at the subject ;)

Excellent book - Speedliter's Handbook by Syl Arena, £18 Amazon.
 
This is very helpful. Thank you all!

It is a difficult decision. I have been trawling the net for about 3 hours looking at reviews and forums for each of the flashes. From what I can gather, the canon has a quicker recharge time than the metz, by approx 3 seconds, but the metz is more powerful (and slightly cheaper). Is the metz 50 AF-1 controllable via the cameras interface like the canon?

The nissin looks interesting, but the build quality doesn't look as solid.

So far, i'm going with the Metz, purely because it appears, on paper at least to offer slightly more than the canon.

What does everyone else think?
 
Buy the Canon, unless you're on a tight budget (or using the flash manually, off camera on a set of triggers) there's no point in buying anything other than the camera manufacturer's own brand.
 
Thing is, I will want to use it manually once I get the hang of it. Is the Canon particularly difficult to use?
 
Hi all,

this is my first post on this amazing forum. I've been having a look around for an answer to my question, both on this board and on others and haven't found out what I'm looking for.

I need a flashgun for some wedding / portrait photography. But I admit, I am an absolute novice when it comes to flash photography. I am using a Canon 550d, but looking at upgrading to a 5d or similar later in the year.

Trouble is, i have absolutely no idea what I need. I have look at a few models and frankly, the specs confuse me. Can anyone advise what the E-TTL II/ E-TTL/TTL, FE lock, High-speed sync etc actually means?

My budget for a flash gun is £0 - £250. Which is the "best" for that amount of money - in terms of reliability, manual control and ease of use. Ideally, i would like the flashgun to have wireless capability so I can set it on a tripod in the future. What other equipment would I need to do this.

ETTL is how the flash meters for exposure. The same thing as how your camera meters for exposure. Back in the times where dinosaurs roamed the earth, you had to manually calculate how much power your flash needed to expose your subject correctly depending on ambient light and also how your camera will be exposing the background (aperture has a direct effect on flash).

Times moved on and when cavemen became the dominant species, flash guns had their own built in metering sensor, so they could do some of the work to determining the correct output. However this was cumbersome and due to the camera and flash metering separately could sometimes provide inconsistent results.

Nowadays thanks to the wonders of modern technology the flash can do its own metering, fully automated, with the help of the camera. This is called Through The Lens metering as just like the name suggests, it is done through the lens rather than a metering sensor on the flash (although the 580EX II still has its own metering sensor and you can use it if you want, although in 99% of cases TTL is the way to go).

Canon's version of through-the-lens metering is called ETTL. It stands for Evaluative Through The Lens. Conversely Nikon's version is called iTTL (the 'i' standing for Intelligent).

ETTL II is just an evolution of the original ETTL system which brings many improvements, none of which you need to worry about since pretty much every Canon EOS digital body and flash gun right now is ETTL II capable.

FE lock is Flash Exposure lock. It's the same as AE lock (Auto Exposure lock) on the camera except it is just for the flash. If you have never used the AE lock button (it is the one with the asterisk, next to the AF point selection button) then it's helpful in certain modes like P, Av, Tv where you want to meter for one area but focus on another. You compose the shot, press the AE lock button and the camera locks the metering, which then allows you to recompose, autofocus and take the shot without the exposure settings changing.

This is helpful for example if you want to shoot a subject against a bright background and you want to expose the background correctly instead of the subject. You aim at the bright background, hit AE lock, aim at the subject, autofocus, shoot. In normal behaviour the camera would attempt to meter around the active AF point (for most people this would be the centre one) and you would not get the results you desired.

FE lock just allows you to meter the flash and then lock its exposure value then aim somewhere else and take the shot. Since the flash metering is also weighted to the active focus point, if your subject is wearing very bright or very dark clothing, when you go to take the shot and the flash fires its metering pre-flash, it may believe that it will underexpose or overexpose the subject unless it fires more or less (respectively) power than it needs. Doing nightclub photography I experience this often.

With FE lock you simply aim the center AF point at something which isn't very dark or very bright (for example the subjects face), press the FE lock button (which is the AE lock button when you have a flash connected), then recompose, focus and take the shot. If you have a lively subject/subjects then it's best to warn them beforehand that there will be multiple flashes and not to move until you tell them you're finished. FE lock does not affect the cameras exposure, although you should probably be shooting in M mode when using flash anyway.

High-speed sync (HSS) is a mode which allows you to use the flash with shutter speeds faster than the camera's normal X-sync speed. The X-sync speed is a hard coded value in the camera where it is determined that the shutter is fully open at any given moment. At higher shutter speeds, the shutter will have already started to close before it is fully open, which leads to problems with flash as only part of the image will 'see' the flash and you'll end up with some very odd results.

If you wish to use flash with faster shutter speeds then you need HSS. This is a mode on the flash which, instead of firing one powerful burst of light, fires multiple, lower powered bursts of light in very fast succession. Doing this ensures that your whole frame will have correctly exposed flash instead of just part of it. HSS is essential in situations and environments where you are shooting with a lot of natural light or you need to keep a fast shutter speed, or both. The X-sync speed on the Canon consumer DSLR's is 1/200sec I believe. So basically if you wish to shoot faster than 1/200 with flash, you need HSS.

For a budget up to £250 I would personally be looking at a second hand Canon 580EX II which is very achievable. It is the best on-camera flash that Canon sells. Failing that, look for the Canon 430EX II, but the 580 is a huge improvement and when you absolutely need perfect results and have no second chances, I would want nothing but the best. Both the 430 and 580 have wireless receivers built in, but the 580 also has a transmitter built in so it can trigger other flashes too (including any Canon flash which has the receiver like the 430).
 
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Ohara, this has been extremely helpful and clarified a lot of my uncertainty - thank you for taking the time to respond. I actually acquired a flashgun for an old 35mm and it baffled me. Pleased to hear it has moved on a bit!!

I am currently searching for a 2nd hand Canon 580EX II - I don't want to upgrade the flash in a year, i'd rather put a bit more toward it now and get the best I can buy.

I have found a 580 EXII for £300 on dalephotogrpahic. Can anyone else recommend any trusted second hand sellers? I've just had a poke around on ebay and sadly it returned no results.
 
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Check the classified section on here (you might need a minimum amount of posts to be able to access it).

I saw a second hand 580EX II go for £220 recently, which is a fantastic price considering they are £360 new.
 
It's a good flash gun, but if you can afford the extra for a second hand 580 then go for it. As well as being 82% more powerful it has other useful features for example the head swivels 180 degrees in BOTH directions (Canon crippled the 430 so it only swivels 45 degrees clockwise), the dial is much better than the buttons on the 430, it has stroboscopic mode, it can trigger other flashes wirelessly, the battery door has a spring :p
 
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