First time with full manual - expectations vs reality

Well, for a 35mm shot that looks good on the screen (scanned at 2000 ppi or so) 10*8 or A4 is fine; I've never had one that did not look OK at that size. A3 is certainly possible for the right shot, but you might want to get a special scan. You can probably go larger, because you'll be standing further away.

As they say (a) it depends and (b) try it and see. But don't let yourself get convinced the film can't do it until you've seen the evidence yourself.
 
The ultimate answer to how big you can take a full frame 35mm neg to print, ultimately comes down to how big a print you can make and still see it all! - It's a question of comfy viewing distance, as much as anything.

Give some-one a medium format 6cm contact print, they will hold it closer to their eye, than if you hand them a 10x8" enlargement. Make a bill-board sized poster, and they wont take it all in.... they'll have to walk backwards to see it all in one view... and it wont be until thy step back up close and are looking at small sections, they will start to see the bubbles in the wall-paper etc.

Start printing 'crop-sections' from neg, and the degree of enlargement is that much greater than the artifact they are looking at, but still, 35mm can stand a LOT of enlargement; a 10x8 print from the full frame is only just about 50x enlargement OTMH, you need to get up to perhaps 250x enlargement, say a minox sub-mini frame blown up to 10x8, before the print may start to show the grain detail on the negative...but even that is rather dependent and course grain (usually fast ASA) film will start showing that gran much sooner than fine grain (usually slow ASA) film... then some-what dependent on contrast of both original scene and the printing, how pronounced that may be, before you get to whether it's 'distracting' to the image, or possibly even an enhancing 'effect'. That' sot of frames the technical limits in a rather arena sized 'ball-park', before considering the merit of the original image, and whether flaws in capture, like motion blur or DoF start to offer discernible and distracting 'flaws' to the final reproduction, and again, whether they are distracting or enhancing..

Practically..... I have only ever made a very small number of super-scale prints; probably the largest I ever had made was a 20x30" poster sized wall-print, actually made from perhaps 1/4 frame crop off 35mm, from 400 ASA Colour-Print film; a panned shot of a motorbike, in a road-race at Donnington; Grain was not evident; motion blur in the back-ground, was deliberate; small lack of sharpness in the sponsor's decals on the bike, from 'panning' was just discernible, but then I had wanted some to blurr wheel-spokes and show motion the shot, so on the whole it was a fairly good capture and stood that degree of enlargement. A less challenging landscape or portrait would obviously have fewer potential flaws to be revealed.. but one mans floor is another mans ceiling... err.. sorry; one mans flaw is another mans feature!

As a hobbyist, even home printing, I rarely made anything bigger than 10x8... it was the largest bit of paper I could put under the enlarger without cracking out the spanners and turning the head around on the pillar to project onto the floor instead of the base-board! Plus it was the most economical size print paper! And about as big as I could fit into even a folio sized album, and I only has SO much wall-space! Did make a fair few sectional enlargements that size; but for the most part, I'd generally print 2 or 4 negs to a sheet at 8x5" or 4x5", in the more common commercial print size range.. question was pretty much of only academic interest.

Quirky 'aside'; I actually found that going 'small' was often more effective than going 'big'
Shooting uni rock-gigs in the SU bar, folk would want to see the snaps after an event. Squeezing 6 prints from a piece of 10x8 at 3x2" was about the most economical/efficient way around the job. I'd lop films to 6 frame strips to best fit the archive pages; so one strip one page; one enlarger setting; six exposures shifting the strip over one in the carrier between each prod of the timer button; wack it in the dev tank, do the next; and one roll of film, printed on just 6 bits of paper, in perhaps half a hour!

Nowt so queer as folk... after griping that the prints "There a bit, err.. small... aren't they?" would actually take more time to look at each of them.

Same phenomena was observed, when they picked up the album, which was a bit of an un-static display; I'd be constantly adding to it, and swapping pictures and had something new; so oft picked up whilst I made coffee, and whilst I waited for the kettle to boil, interesting and amusing to observe the 'audience' glance at full-page 10x8's, and often rush past them; then pause and duck their head over the book, to actually look, and more carefully at a page of perhaps 4, 4x5's..... and those would be the ones they would more often remark upon...

When I got a job and worked in the desk-pens, we each had what, 12 sq foot of hessian divider around our desks; about enough space for a photo of the family and the annual car calendar, maybe a witty cartoon postcard; I used a pretty cheap mail-order lab for Colour-Print, who's "gimmick" was two approx 1&1/2x1" wallet prints with every photo; and sat barely arms length away from the people-pen walls, I took to using them to make a small-scale display round my desk ..... and would rotate the pictures each time I got a new 'batch'.

Now, nowt as queer as folk! People would come to my desk, usually to moan about something, and I'd be fielding their gripe, and 'sense' some-one else peering over my shoulder.. I'd often pause to ask them what they wanted, and they'd reply with something like, "Is that, in Portugal?" more interested in the pictures, than the grumble they wanted to report! lol! (Quite a good 'distraction' and soften-up for an aggrieved project managers, I found! lol)

BUT, the tiny little pictures, drew the viewer 'in'.. they could see a 'picture', but stood just four foot away, they didn't know 'really' what it was, so would close in, and actually LOOK at it, rather than just taking in wall scale picture at a glance from wherever they happened to be stood... and once drawn 'in' by the one that had caught their attention; they'd look at the others... sort of psychology marketing men probably have entire thesis on, but still.

Point is, that giving the viewer the 'big picture' in one hit, may have impact; but after that initial impact, they don't pay very much attention to what you have given them; put up a small picture; it 'hints' there's something there t look at it, and natural curiosity draws them in to find out what.... having gained their 'interest' rather than just 'attention' and not making it 'so' easy for them to appreciate, they HAVE to put in a bit of attention to 'look' at it, and more, intrigued, they 'want' to look at it....and their reaction to the image is significant altered before they even start to consider what it is they are looking at, and often far more favorably, because the little picture hasn't been slapped in their face to look at, 'shouting' at them, its enticed them in, and encouraged them to actually look hard at what they are being shown, and looking for what they want to see, rather than what you are chucking at them....

Taking the topic off on an even more diverse tangent from there; also very intriguing/revealing to observe from an array of subjects in a display, WHAT people most people pay more attention to; That people-pen display was pretty eclectic; as said, I would tend to rotate the display every week or so; some pictures would stay, some would go, some would come back, new ones would be added, depending on what I'd done last week-end, where I'd been, and what mood I was in! There would be pictures from family events, like weddings or christenings of golden wedding anniversaries; photo's from nights out, probably a rock or soul band on stage as well as friends and work-mates getting drunk! Motor-bike outings; a race meets or show or rally; probably a few Sunday Afternoon escapes into the country and attempts at pretty Landscapes...

B-U-T.. interesting to note what people pay attention to; Now, shots from bike events; we actually had quite a healthy biking contingent in that factory, and a fair few events were ride-outs with some of them; so, a photo of say an Enfield Constellation from a classic bike show, would probably tickle the interest of more than an average number of more common joe-public. Photo's of nights out, were probably had wider appeal... snaps from works do's, where the audience knew people in the pictures gave them an instant appeal; but interesting to note how many would see a picture of a band on stage, and ask "So what were they playing then?" People, are interested in people.. but perversely so... and after any initial aesthetic, they are actually more interested in what those people are doing, than who they are or what they are or how beautiful they may be.... well apart from Andy-P.. but you'll get one or two of them in any organisation wont you ;-)

Landscapes? Remarkably unremarkable.. or not. One just alluded to some-one asked if it was in Portugal, was actually a shot of a rather pretty beach-cove in Wales; A week-end get-away in early spring; I'd enjoyed bizarre weather ranging from snow and frost, through to almost Mediterranean sunshine! Which that beach-cove shot had captured with chrystal marine waters and warm looking sands, and a white-washed rough stone boat-house! A little bit of escapism, a window on another world to relieve the monotony of the fluorescent lit people-pens, in which we often didn't know whether it was day or night! That sort of picture didn't 'grab' attention, but did have aesthetic appeal, and interesting to note that more folk paid attention to that shot, and more oft remarked on it, than they did to much 'better' and larger scale pictures presented on other folks holiday destination calender's... BUT more artistic 'study's'.. rocks, flowers, or more abstract 'effect' shots, rarely gained attention or comment....

Which is all something of a mele; but, my personal conclusion is; KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE... purpose of a picture is to be looked at. No one looks, has no purpose. Who are they? What will they be looking for? What will interest them? And remember, your audience may be extremely limited... as in just you!
But starting from there; once you have identified who is expected to look at these pictures, next question is WHY? Will they just be pretty decoration on the wall? Will you be trying to inspire them some-how? Inform? Educate? Or just 'show off'? That then leads to how 'best' you might present them with a picture; is it best as a hanging on the wall in a frame? Or part of a more considered 'presentation'? An album, or a slide-show?

Will the pictures 'stand alone' or do they need explanation, or something to give them context and relevance? This question alone, can take some contemplation. May beg very very little explanation or context, may even be completely transparent; BUT is oft needed. For example; hand some-one a packet of Happy-Snaps, they can go through them, and will flick through quite quickly and quite perplexed. Sit down next to them as they go through the packet, and start pointing out whats in them; "Oh yes, that's a winery we visited, and John got quite tipsy on their red"... the 'audience' will likely take a lot more from the photo.. they might feel rather rapped, and bored... b-u-t... takes you back to the questions of knowing your audience and how best to present the pictures to them.... an album, labeled on the front cover, "John & Joan's holiday to Greece 1982", may be all the context and explanation that's needed; adding titles to individual photo's may offer more; the odd comment beside that, even more, and so presented the 'value' of the photo alone may be hugely enhanced to give the audience the 'most' from it.

But, very very few photo's, stand on their own graphic merit, even as pure 'art'.. even a piece of high art rarely stands on its own merit! (Which is a contentious comment, but I'll stand by it!) The artists signature, expands on to, to offer context and explanation, even before you stop to ponder where the 'art-work' is, and the implied meaning of that.....be it a public monument, or a painting in a museum; it always has 'context' that offers some added explanation or meaning to it.... a photo print? It's like a pile of tyres... could be a work of art, as presented outside the gallery (I cant remember the who or where!) but in another context, could be just refuse from a tyre fitters, or just a farmers silage pile!

So, after the audience, and the subject they may be interested in, the way you present it, is a far larger question than 'merely' how big to make a print, or what style of frame to use....

A-N-D... this is quite pinnacle; these sort of questions are best asked BEFORE you press the shutter button.... all well and good going taking photo's for your own pleasure in the doing; but, harvesting what you get, and then trying to 'present' it is rather like doing your shopping then trying to work out what you can cook for dinner.... turn it around, decide what to cook for dinner, THEN go buy the ingredients, you stand far better chance of cooking what you want!

What? Why? For WHO? before you even take the lens cap off. THEN you have the matter of the subject and lighting to consider; long before you get to the question of the best composition, and that log before you get to questions about what lens may be most suitable, let alone what exposure settings.....

WHICH is all a long winded partial detraction, BUT you have stepped into the world of film; of 'slo-photo'.. CONSIDERED photography, where manual lenses and film choices are but small part of delving into the intricacies of the WHOLE PROCESS of making a picture; from Idea to Display.. and one in which the 'medium' and the equipment DO beg more consideration, than digital, to which you can apply the same principles and levels of consideration, but with so much computer controlled easement, few do, even if they have some notion they may, so 'molly-coddled' by so much automated equipment.
 
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And it IS daunting, presented with so much to consider, that technology has so often alleviated so much need to even recognize; and does beg an over-load of ideas and suggestions of how to exploit all of this opportunity to 'take control'..

Which does go some way to expand and explain some of the comments above vis affection for the Dark-Room, and or more or less automated gear... which is essentially explained entirely by approach and aspiration.

I 'like' the convenience and point and shoot easement of Digital; the lack of 'faff', Grab camera, worry about the subject, get on with the job. Little real consideration required. I do find post-process obsession a little curious in that world, I have to say; it's almost like having had the camera make the job of taking a picture SO easy, folk need it to give them something to do, and 'feel' like they are 'involved' in the job! As alluded I came fro the traditional dark-room, and was early into digital editing in the mid 90's, where it was a revelation to be able to do stuff, without wasting paper or chems, at the click of a button,, ad half an hour watching an egg-timer! But still.... is more 'convenence'.. especially now I only have to spend maybe three minutes watching the egg timer!

However; its all part and parcel; of idea to image and the entire process along the way; and which bits of the process you enjoy the most, and that have most effect on the final product; BUT it remains a process from start to finish; and whilst I could turn 'off' the auto-focus in the EPM and the matrix-metering scenes and even fit legacy manual focus prime lenses to it, shoot in RAW and spend hours diddling sliders and filters on 'post', to effect pretty much the same 'control' over the entire process, as was demanded of my old clock-work Zenit and conventional dark-room.. The fundamental remains, it is in the CONSIDERATION you apply to the process; picking where you wish to exert influence, where you want to take control; learning where and how that may be possible, and may offer you best effect.. which the more involved 'nature' of conventional film photography does beg, even if t doesn't always demand it.. it does expose you to and inspire you towards....

BUT, the here and now, IS probably to simply NOT let that over whelm you, NOT encourage too drastic an over enthusiasm, to bite off more than you can chew!

99% of the process is outside of the camera; as said starts with the questions, Why? What, For Who?

Knowing your audience, and considering your shots to give them 'something' they will hopefully gain from.That leaps you from before the start right to the end; and having considered your audience, what is the best means of presentation, and IS a photo, on its own the entirety? (To which the answer from me, is quite emphatically 'NO'; it needs context, it needs relevance; it probably needs 'some' sort of explanation, in the presentation delivery...) So the consideration of the entire process, from concept to consumption, starts log before you pick up the camera.

Knowing why you want a photo; how you wish to present it, and what will be important to the audience; then informs and directs how you approach the subject; and what you want 'in' the image; whats important, whats distracting; and how you tackle basic composition. Before even you get to faffing with focus or aperture and shutter settings!

And THEN delving into the process, and possibilities and potentials; Are you going to home develop, or leave it to a lab? What can you do in the dark-room? What might you do the dark-room; what might 'add' to the 'product'. IS a dark-room process necessarily the best way to achieve desired 'product'. Whether that's a photo-montage, or a base tilt to correct converging verticals; some dodging and burning to even contrast, or some gentle vignetting to concentrate the viewer's attention on the main subject and de-emphasis distracting back-ground.

And it ALL goes round in re-iterative loops of 'Consideration' of what you might do in the dark-room, or how you may present final image, feeds back to how you approach the capture; you may decide that vignetting in the dark-room, wouldn't achieve the close attention on subject you need for presentation; close cropped, maybe oval or shaped framing mask may be better; or approaching the subject in capture, with a shallower Depth of Field, or alternative lighting or lighting aids, might be the more appropriate technique.

SOME stuff, you will consider in the Planning stage; other stuff you will have to re-consider in the pre-capture shooting stage; more still, in post-process; BUT, its consideration all the way along the line; and knowing what you 'may' do, what you 'can' do and deciding what is 'best' to do... ALWAYS remembering THE AUDIENCE that will look at it when 'done'.

And just because you MIGHT try something, doesn't necessarily mean you have to; or that its the best way about things.

Initial inspiration, has begged you open the door; enthusiasm for all you see beyond, is begging something of kiddie in the sweet-shop scenario, with you considering it all; pondering different lenses, asking about different films, and and and.. THERE'S SO MUCH TO CONSIDER!... which is great, and big leap into the world of 'considered' photography... but, temper the enthusiasm a bit; and try and keep it simple, and dont bite off more than you can chew, and make yourself sick trying to sample every bar of chocolate in the shop, never getting to enjoy any of them!

ADVICE:-

You are struggling to get to grips with Manual Focus. Start there, its a fundamental you need to get a handle on. And its NOT just about sticking the focus spot over the important bit of subject and getting it crisp in the view-finder. or, wacking the Helios wide open at f2 and trying to find shallow focus subjects to look at the Bokeh in!

It's about exploiting manual focus and Depth of Field, to get your subject in the acceptable focus zone, and putting that acceptable focus zone most effectively n your scene; whether that is using a tight aperture to make the Focus Zone as big as possible around tear away tots, or speeding vehicles; or shrinking it down to chuck back-grounds out of focus behind a flower head or 'whatever'. Selectve focus is about exploiting that Focus Zone, and NOT necessarily focusing on the 'subject' like the red dot of a DSLR wold try and do, putting the DoF zone arbitrarily 1/3 infront, 2/3 behind the set focus distance...

Using the silver thumb-wheel on the bottom right of the Helos lens as screwed to the camera, will 'stop down' from f2 'viewing' aperture to whatever aperture you have set on the ring, and give you a DoF 'preview' of the sort of acceptable focus you will get at the taking aperture... USE IT! May make the view-fnder a bt dm, but by eye, should give you some idea of the Focus Zone you will get.

On the top of the lens; you have, in yellow, the focus scale, telling you what the 'critical' focus distance set is, against the middle red-line...but next to that is the DoF scal, in gren, that brackets the focus distance scale, to indicate the focus zone between the aperture settings marked.

Note that the distance scale is NOT liniar on the dial; up the top end, you have infinity, then 10m, then 8 then 4... at the other end, 50com, then 60, then 65cm; as you get closer towards infinity focus, the distances are much greater, at the ear focus end, they are a lot closer, close focus s that much more 'critical' BUT the DoF zone indicated by the aperture marks, stays the same, so closer your focus distance, less DoF yo get around it...

So you can get a very shallow focus from getting very close to your subject, and or you can get a very shallow focus from using a very wide aperture; BUT; you don't have to use both, and neither do you have to focus exactly on your subject.

DoF is a % of focus distance; and is a 'zone' 1/3 in-front, 2/3 behind the focus setting. So, if you want to chuck a distrcting back-ground oof, you don't 'have' to open the aperture all the way, or get right up close; you can simply shift the focus zone, 'forwards' ahead of your subject.. there's nothing n that portion of the scene to be in or out of focus.... so that bit doesn't matter, you can 'waste' as much DoF zone as you like on empty space, and draw tha back of the focus zone as cloe as your subject and as far away from the back-ground as you like.....

OR wiky-worky; you can maximize your DoF zone, focusing behid your subject; again, no need to back up, or stop down; JUST alter the focus; focus behind the subject, you will inherently get a greater amount of DoF zone, and provided you keep the subject in the bit infront of the focus distance, you will get that focus zone where most effective in the scene.

You don't need to fret about using super-tight apertures to maximize DoF, nor using super-fast ones, to minimize it; you JUST need to understand DoF and how to exploit it, AND to exploit 'manual focus' and NOT be dependent on the focus dots, and having your subject of interest slap on the cross-hairs!

This is but small bit of basic, fundamental technique, that even manual focus SLR's hampered any-one learning or exploiting, with through the lens view-finders, with max-aperture composition to keep the view-finder 'bright'!; Something 'zone-focus' view finder cameras begged of the user to 'consider' and use the focus zone, rather than just take what the camera gave you, fro what you see is what you (might) get vie-finder composition.

Read up, learn aout that; and your concerns over focus need not be anywhere near as large, A-N-D, you will be better informed and experienced to exploit the DoF zone, either to get better effect, ether to get shallow focus effects, or deep focus effects OR just to improve your odds of getting subjects not just more often 'in' focus, but getting the focus you want around them...

And keep it simple..... eliminate variables and areas of possible conflict or confusion... you have a lens... USE IT! Learn the technique with it. A 135 portrait lens may be great for shallow focus effects in portraits, a wide angle may be wonderful for offering loads of DoF in a landscape; BUT, here and now is that how the lens length is effecting that DoF is an added complication; how the numbers on the dials are shifting, yet another; getting to grips with the 'principle & practice' that is confuson you can probably do without.... save the turkish delight for aother day, finish the mars bar!

Onto FILM. Easy for flok to talk abut the colour saturation or grain of different emulsions, and how sme better suit some subjects and not others, and pontificate at length on the aesthetic merits of them.. but, again, kiddie n the sweet-shop syndrome; very easy to dart from film to film, sampling them all, and exploiting none; never getting a feel for what they are best suited to.. or not. Also very very easy to wast an awful lot of money on very expensive emulsions that aren't the best suited to your subject, whether you can exploit them or no.

Advice on this one, here and now, is again, Keep it Simple, Silly; 'Cheap' color-print film likepound-land Agfa, is a pretty generc all-round emulsion, and pretty useful for an awful lot of photography. Its also pretty cheap... and starting out; wanting to learn, wanting to experiment, that is positive advantage; buy it, burn it; keep things constant! Used to be that B&W was the starting place, as it was 'cheaper'.. not any-more! But again, if you want to start home dev, it is a good way to go; but keep it simple silly;pick a cheap generic all-round emulsion, and burn film, till you have the experience to exploit or appreciate merits of alternatives;.

Slide? Deserves special mention; Slide film, is a bit tricky, it doesn't have the tolerance of print flim, as you normally viewed a slide directly in a viewer or light-box or on projecton; there was no room for any post-process correction in printing. There is a more expensive/complicated all positive colour-prnt process called Cibachrome, to make colour prints from slide film, but even that was tricky to make any 'correction' with. Slide was popular in professional reprographics, first because they could assess the 'quality' and merit of the original directly; and throughout lay-out where all was possitve image. Ameteurs used it, commonly because either it was the 'cheap' way to get colour photo's, as you didn't have prints made; and you could more cheaply still home-process with little specilised equipment or space.and or, because it puts a demand on the hotographer to get it 'clean in camera', lacking oportunity for any post-process manipulation, so like a film camera, begged an attension to diligence and consideration to use the stuff.

NOW, today; the cost advantage of not having prints made, is rather diminished by few making prints anyway; more still by 'digital' and scanning, where once into the digital domain, same post-process diddle ability as for print films is available.

It IS significantly an opportunity to make life harder and more expensive for yourself, and at the stage yo are at on the learning curve.. yeah, one of those sweeties in the shop you'd like to try... but put the peppermint cream back with the Turkish delight, and finish your mars bar! There's always another day! Its something not likely to help you much at this stage, and more complexity, shooting to preserve high-lights and saturate colours etc, likely to hinder more than help.

Remember, with a Spoty and 50, you have as much or more 'camera' already than many were lucky enough to start out with; I was actually reminiscing about my Dad & Cousin at school together in the '60's, to whom the Spotmatc was the icon they both aspired to, at school Camera-Club! Heck, an interchangeable lens camera was something special, and when they did attain one, often redundant as they couldn't afford another lens! Was also recollecting advice I think David Bailey offered, that folk were prone to spend a lot of money on a camera, then little on film, to learn how to use it, when should be the other way about...

Which begs conclusion KEEP IT SIMPLE SILLY.. 35mm has almost certainly more capability to make large scale reproductions than you currently do to make negs that could stand that amount of enlargement. Film> Keep it simple; pick a standard, and limit the variables. Three's a lot to learn, and a lot to use film on on the way, yet. Likewise filling a gadget bag; alternate lenses may be wonderful; BUT learn to get the most from what you got, and here and now you are struggling to get to grips with manual focus, and exploiting DoF is something that's still a rather alien concept... start there....

Best advice I can offer to kiddie in the sweet-shop syndrome; pick ONE sweet, eat it all; pick another tomorrow; don't make yourself sick taking a bite out of as many as you can, and not want to come back 'cos the sweet-shop just makes you sick, and gets you into trouble for all the half empty wrappers!
 
35mm can stand a LOT of enlargement; a 10x8 print from the full frame is only just about 50x enlargement

More than I can stand the results :D. Which is why I, considering my audience (if I don't please myself, I don't think it good enough for others), don't use 35mm and prefer at least 6x6 and preferably large format film. But I don't print at less than A3/12x16. I know that my standards are more exacting than most; the answer to the question as to how far you can go is entirely subjective.
 
Mike, that is one hell of a write up. Thank you for your time spent and very valuable content covering all I wanted to know and bit more ;).

When you said I struggle with MF, I wanted to say I don't, I am just much more careful with it as opposed to DSLR. But I kept reading and you are actually right, thanks for pointing that out.

I will have to read it all again as the amount of info is just terrific. And that goes not only to Mike, but to all posters, hat off to you gents!
 
Jeez Mike can you type 70 words per min or use a program that writes as you talk in the microphone.....as it would take me ages for something similar to your posts :eek:
 
I think internal evidence rules out a dictation program...

I was struck by the comments on the effect of small prints drawing people in, and it's a thought that I'd like to consider further, particularly in relation to the effect of the original Daguerrotypes. I'm assuming that I'm correct about their size.

One thing that I think Ansel Adams said was that photographs have a natural size; go larger or smaller than that and they loose some of their power. I have one that looks better at A2/20x16 than it does at A3/12x16 so I can see merit in the idea. What I don't know is how to arrive at that natural size other than by trial and error.
 
One thing that I think Ansel Adams said was that photographs have a natural size; go larger or smaller than that and they loose some of their power. I have one that looks better at A2/20x16 than it does at A3/12x16 so I can see merit in the idea. What I don't know is how to arrive at that natural size other than by trial and error.
Trial and error it is!
 
If viewing distance is determined by print size, such that you get closer with small prints and view larger ones from farther away, and what matters is the angle of view that takes in the whole print, then it seems to follow that the visual experience of visiting the cinema and viewing a film on a large screen could be exactly duplicated viewing the same film on a tablet at close range. I'm not convinced that the visual effect is the same... And I do appreciate that sitting in a cinema is, even without a film showing, different to sitting in your own armchair at home.
 
Not long ago I have received parcel from @excalibur2 and thought I'd mention it here, as I was unable to leave trading feedback.

All went nice and smooth, comms were great, packing was top notch, parcel was sent quick, film dates exactly as specified. Deffo recommended!

Thank you very much Brian, now I am set for a good while :D :D :D
 
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