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I'm not sure many people would agree that Venture are cheap!
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they arent cheap overall - but the initial bait to get people to have their little brats photographed, is a cheap shoot
vis http://www.venturephotography.com/the-perfect-gift/
£35 for an hours shoot and one 7x5 print - the bait is in the description that you are getting a shoot worth £150 and a print 'worth' £95
the real money is in the upsell of other prints and products
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The professional tag is usually applied to lawyers, accountants, doctors, etc. I don't think many people do those things for fun!
I'm certain that you don't see it that way as you appear to be an intelligent, down to earth person but I do see a lot of self rightiousness amongst some wedding and portrait photographers.
I see it a bit differently. Photography is a medium (like painting) and to practice it is a craft. That craft can be used to create art or it can be utilitarian (e.g. painting a landscape vs. painting your window frames).
I have seen some very artistic portrait photography where the photographer has put a lot of effort and thought into setting up the lighting. This is where the artistry is. I have also seen a lot of portrait photography where the lights have been set to an old favourite formula which works. No artistry there.
p.s. I'm not being agumentative for the sake of it. We just have different opinions. It would be boring if we all agreed. Don't you agree?!!
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Has any pro photographer ever had a potential client say " do you price match ?" or something else along those lines ? Just wondering 
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"You want quality babe, quality costs "
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I missed out on a shoot a couple of weeks ago to someone who charges £10 for the shoot and that includes a cd of all the images.
I saw the photos a little while later on Facebook.
Thought the baby slumped in the corner of the sofa complete with ashtray on the sofa arm was very creative.
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I saw the photos a little while later on Facebook.
Thought the baby slumped in the corner of the sofa complete with ashtray on the sofa arm was very creative.
Dean.
Could you tell if the client was happy with them? any comments?
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Or produce work that is demonstrably better and hold your prices where they are?
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Fine dining I believe?
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I am one of the above........I'm a firm believer that you must enjoy something to do it to the best of your ability. So if you don't enjoy it or find it fun then you won't be the best you can be. Maybe I'm one of the few that finds my "professional" job fun!
Back to the OP, there are a raft of these people appearing on FB. A guy at work does the occasional wedding with his Fuji bridge camera........with some "interesting" results. Charges 100 to 200 quid. I think most people seeing his work prior to booking could make a conscious decision of cost vs quality.
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Tons of "likes" and the usual "wow, there fantastic hun" (deliberate misspell).
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I agree with that... but you're viewing my comment from the wrong direction! It was more of a 'nobody does accountancy for a hobby' sort of suggestion (except perhaps, John Major!).
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I know of a similar wedding photographer who used or still uses a Fuji bridge camera and his shots are awful, especially those took in low light conditions ( most of his photos are took on rapid burst and look all the same). He uses a load of photoshop effects to enhance the shots from fake DOF to very poorly done selective coloring....He used to charge £150 and now charges £700-£1600 and gets loads of work.
Its a shame some people hire him as there are loads of decent photographers out there ( and on this forum) who do a much better job and charge much less, The client has to shop around and compare quality not just prices.
Are his clients happy ? Looks like they are with loads of likes and comments, however to any photographer who has a basic bit of skill they are terrible... but who are we to complain if the client is happy with the service and end product ?
Good luck to him, if he is charging that much and people are flocking to him, then he can't be doing too much wrong, and I very much doubt that his shots are awful, because if they were, then he would be getting a lot of adverse publicity.
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You viewed my comment from the wrong direction.
Photography and football are not 'professions', yet there do appear to be professional footballers out there.
No doctor or lawyer (we agree they're professionals) would ever be described as a professional lawyer or a professional doctor.
Whereas this site is viewed by thousands of photographers, only some of whom are professional photographers. Whether you or I like the phrase is immaterial, the tag performs a task that is sometimes relevant. It doesn't create a hierarchy, it just means they do it for money. Since the beginning of photography there have been wonderful photographers who never earned a bean from it, and terrible photographers who have earned a good living.
There are also the opposites, awful amateurs and great professionals.
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Professional = paid
Amateur = unpaid Thats all there is to it
No. Phil explained what he meant in a previous thread. It's a differentiation for occupations which can also be hobbies. I suppose I could refer to myself as a professional musician (or at least sem-professional) and in that context, makes perfect sense.
There are three directions to view the comment - and all three of us were correct in some way!
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I've looked around at the various definitions and it seems quite ambiguous as to what a profession is, though the main agreement seems to be around a. your paid. and b. there was a lot of training needed to do it.
This could be rolled out to many things, but really it's an old class thing, blue collar and white collar workers.
I think the hobby argument isn't valid in most instances.
As to the OP, if people charge £20 for practice, who cares, they probably won't be taking work from me in the short term, and if they do a bad enough job then maybe their clients will wise up and look for someone more skilled next time. So, basically they can only make good togs look better.
I won't be racing to the lowest price point any time soon....
This could be rolled out to many things, but really it's an old class thing, blue collar and white collar workers.
I think the hobby argument isn't valid in most instances.
As to the OP, if people charge £20 for practice, who cares, they probably won't be taking work from me in the short term, and if they do a bad enough job then maybe their clients will wise up and look for someone more skilled next time. So, basically they can only make good togs look better.
I won't be racing to the lowest price point any time soon....
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Then they may start charging more. That is their business.
We are dealing with free market economics not a closed shop
My job is to emphasis the pluses in coming to us for photos, if i get enough takers i make a living if not i rethink
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....That's too much of a generalisation about facebook in my opinion. But I agree that far too many people judge anything to be good when it's free!
Whereas it is true that there's an awful lot of what can accurately be called crap photos posted by people on facebook who don't have a clue about photography and who also, and most importantly, don't have an eye for it regardless of what camera they are using, posting photos on facebook doesn't make you a crap photographer.
Of course I sympathise with those 'real' photographers who are trying make a living from their skills but that is the real-world even when it's a virtual online world.
I run a facebook group and the standard of photographs posted on it is high and even includes a very good TP togger @michael kilner ....
https://www.facebook.com/groups/561222590593478/photos/
Plus there are many other very good photographers on TP who also post their images on facebook.
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Ah the old "I can take great pics with my phone, why do you need that?" rubbish - I usually reply with one of two replies;
- wow, your phone has video too? I guess you'll be shooting Hollywood movies as well?
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- I have a b&q screwdriver but I don't call myself a builder.
Usually makes them think...
- wow, your phone has video too? I guess you'll be shooting Hollywood movies as well?
Or
- I have a b&q screwdriver but I don't call myself a builder.
Usually makes them think...