Film's not dead!

Also sounds like they are going for a fancy price with all of the high silver content nonsense.
 
Well, if it has a lot of silver in it, it's going to be expensive with the price of silver these days.

Still, good to hear that someone's developing new emulsions.
 
A refreshing change from hearing about film under threat :thumbs:

Maybe other formats will be produced in time if and when the 35mm proves itself in the market place :shrug:
 
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Asha said:
A refreshing change from hearing about film under threat :thumbs:

Maybe other formats will be produced in time if and when the 35mm proves itself in the market place :shrug:
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My thoughts exactly, after all the doom and gloom of recent years with different films and manufacturers disappearing it's good to see someone bringing new products to the market even if it is limited to one format and likely to be expensive.

At least it's a positive not a retrograde step.
 
Absolutely agree. Fantastic to see a new release for once!

I sincerely hope they bring it out in 5x4 and other sheet film formats, as I personally would love an Acros 100 competitor that isn't bloomin' ilford!

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Speaking of silver content, and forgive me if this is either well known or a stupid question, but I was wondering about spent developer - is there a service in existence that buys spent developer for the purpose of reclaiming the silver content?
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Sounds a lot like a cross between document film and regular film, and as I can get CMS20 up to iso 200 without hassle, this looks set to be a really useful film!
 
Woodsy - I believe Silverprint did something like this, it may be on their website. I remember it not being especially good value for a low capacity user like myself for one reason or another, but that's what pops into mind.
 
Roger that chap, thanks for your thoughts. Will look into it. I'm not a power user either, so to speak and I would assume that they would require quite a large quantity in one go to make it worth while... Was just a thought in terms of say doing a yearly chemical trade-in, as it were just to Recuperate a small amount against the cost of film + chems. Perhaps get a local bunch of people together and accumulate spent dev etc.

/heads over to silverprint website :)
 
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Woodsy - I believe Silverprint did something like this, it may be on their website. I remember it not being especially good value for a low capacity user like myself for one reason or another, but that's what pops into mind.
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Just done a quick calculation on Metafix's website and at my current processing rate of about 4 films/week it would be a net loss of about £3,800 :lol:
 
Oh and, it would be reclaiming silver from the fix rather than the dev I'd imagine?
 
Many, many years ago my Mum worked at Miller and Palin's a local photographers. One of her jobs was to make sure that the old fixer was poured into a barrel and after about 3 months sold to a dealer who paid for the silver content (I think it was either strained or left to evaporate just leaving the silver behind). They used to make nearly as much from the silver as they did from the shop.

Andy
 
Apparently you can bring out the silver by putting the depleted fixer in a container with wire wool, the Iron replaces the silver and the silver precipitates out into a sludgey waste at the bottom which you strain off and send to a metal recovery firm

Tried it with my last batch of knackered fixer and it seems to work ok so far, havent got enough to strain yet though
 
Like it. How much fixer does one need in order to be effective?

Sorry for the derailment, back to the topic!
 
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Woodsy said:
Like it. How much fixer does one need in order to be effective?

Sorry for the derailment, back to the topic!
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Will chat in IRC later on to avoid further derailment :thumbs:
 
Woodsy said:
I sincerely hope they bring it out in 5x4 and other sheet film formats, as I personally would love an Acros 100 competitor that isn't bloomin' ilford!
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I don't think they will - on APUG they said that they have enough stock of 35mm base for this film to last for about 5 years and then the production would probably cease (become prohibitively expensive). My understanding is that it is also the reason they won't be doing it for any other formats - producing bases for it will be expensive and they don't have any stocks to use like for 35mm format.

They did say that for larger format they have something else coming out soon.
 
I've a question: if it's such a high dynamic range, how would you best get the images out of it? Surely both paper (for traditional work) and scanning will have problems with this? Can see how it would be nice to have something that essentially has extra latitude, but from the problems I have getting good scans of contrasty slide film, I'm interested to know how people would recommend working with something like this. Don't get me wrong, it sounds interesting and it's great to hear of a new film, but before spending money on it I'd like to know how to make the most of it!
 
Presumably you could do a HDR composite from a couple of scans.
 
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I don't think they will - on APUG they said that they have enough stock of 35mm base for this film to last for about 5 years and then the production would probably cease (become prohibitively expensive). My understanding is that it is also the reason they won't be doing it for any other formats - producing bases for it will be expensive and they don't have any stocks to use like for 35mm format.

They did say that for larger format they have something else coming out soon.
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Shame, as formats on 120 film have the surface area to really make a film of that ISO sing. Still, if a new film is brought out for larger formats I'd still be very interested in seeing what it is!
 
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Presumably you could do a HDR composite from a couple of scans.
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Without trying to sound dismissive, that can work on a dedicated 35mm scanner, but for people using flatbeds, that's not going to be a great option - even on 120 I notice the difference between a multipass and singlepass scan on the v500. It's annoying, because, as you mention, it's one way of getting the required DR from the scanner.
 
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I've a question: if it's such a high dynamic range, how would you best get the images out of it?
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In that link from APUG that I posted here they discuss this towards the end of the thread with the film manufacturer comments as well. One of the uses basically is to create a reversal film with larger lattitude and this film can be processed for reversal. True the negative will have all those zones but unlike conventional approach where you would use the compression technique (shorten/lengthen development time etc) those zones will be basically sitting on straight part of the film curve without being compressed to toe/shoulder areas. This should theoretically mean that they will be easier to scan as they will have the same uncompressed ranges. What it will be in practice - I have no idea and it has to be tried I suppose.
 
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Without trying to sound dismissive, that can work on a dedicated 35mm scanner, but for people using flatbeds, that's not going to be a great option - even on 120 I notice the difference between a multipass and singlepass scan on the v500. It's annoying, because, as you mention, it's one way of getting the required DR from the scanner.
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I have to concur with that - my v500 does rubbish multipass and I have never succeded to make those passes align properly for it being useful.
 
But the DR discussed is no different from the modern emulsions anyway. It will just need to be treated the same as acros, tmax and delta.

This whole thing smells of marketing fluff, I can't wait to see what price they dream up!
 
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