Fill flash power (distance)

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Does anyone know what will give me the most power out of my flash?

Example – fill flash on a bright sunny day will I get more distance if I use 1/250 @ f11 or 1/1000 @f5.6.

I know if you keep below the max synch speed of the flash the lower the aperture the more distance will be obtained.

But shooting at f11 gives you very little distance, but how does this (FP or high synch speed flash setting work) I know you lose power the faster the shutter speed but is it in relation to the aperture or will I get more power?:shrug:

Thanks
Julian
 
There are several interesting points all at once in this one Julian, and to answer every one with their ramifications will end up with a 'How to Booklet' being written

May I suggest you have a good read here http://planetneil.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/1-natural-looking-flash/ as this may provide many answers to your question

And let us know what you still need help with after that

Sorry if this hasn't been too helpful, but the answer is complex

:thumbs:

DD
 
There are several interesting points all at once in this one Julian, and to answer every one with their ramifications will end up with a 'How to Booklet' being written

May I suggest you have a good read here http://planetneil.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/1-natural-looking-flash/ as this may provide many answers to your question

And let us know what you still need help with after that

Sorry if this hasn't been too helpful, but the answer is complex

:thumbs:

DD

Well its helpful to be as that was going to be one of my questions of the day as I need to swat up on the subject...

Booked marked ready to this afternoons read..

Cheers DD


Shutterman
 
I thought 1/250 and f/11 would have the advantage and ran a little test to find out. The results seem pretty conclusive and put 1/250 and f/11 well ahead of 1/1000 and f/5.6.

These two were shot with manual exposure and manual flash (580EX II) at full power. EXIF is included but I think you can easily see which result is which.

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A photo says a thousand words

Thanks Tim that's cleared things up for me. I will try to limit my shutter speed to 1/250 and use a higher F stop then.


Thanks again
 
A full power manual flash would record detail over a longer range (assuming the exposure was correct) at F5.6 than at f11

It is more likely here that the flash duration of full power is slower than 1/1000th sec and thus hadn't output it's full flash before the shutter closed, thus leading to underexposure

I'm afraid all your shot proves is that to retain the full power of a flash the max flash sync shouldn't be exceeded, as otherwise you're not getting max power at all

DD
 
, but how does this (FP or high synch speed flash setting work) I know you lose power the faster the shutter speed but is it in relation to the aperture or will I get more power?:shrug:

Thanks
Julian

The flash sync problems we have with our DSLRs is because they're fitted with a focal plane shutter. These shutters consist of two metal curtains which travel vertically in most modern cameras.(in some older cameras they travel horizontally) When you press the shutter, the first curtain goes up exposing the sensor for whatever shutter time you've set. When the exposure time is complete, the second curtain goes up covering the sensor to end the exposure. The auto reset mechanism then drags both curtains back to their starting point ready for the next exposure.

There's a limit to how fast these blinds can travel across the sensor leaving the sensor completely uncovered before the second curtain starts it's travel. This is typically around 1/200th or 1/250th although some cameras manage 1/500th, but it varies with the make/model of camera.

Whatever that shutter speed is in your particular camera is your maximum flash synch speed - the fastest shutter speed you can use where the sensor is completely uncovered at the point of the flash firing, and where the whole of the scene will be illuminated by the flash.

Focal plane shutters achieve shutter speeds much higher than the max flash synch speed, but they do so by the 2nd curtain starting it's travel while the 1st curtain is still moving, in fact just after it first starts moving. The result is a gap between the two curtains travelling across the sensor, so that the whole of the sensor is exposed for the set time, but incrementally... the faster the shutter speed set, the narrower that slit to achieve the faster exposure times, right up to 1/8000th of a second. Obviously if the flash fired at a speed faster than the max synch speed, it would only illuminate the part of the scene corresponding to where that slit is in it's travel across the sensor.

High Speed Flash Synch is a fairly recent development and it isn't true synch at all, but it does allow you to use flash with shutter speeds above the max synch speed right up to your fastest shutter speed. The way it works, is that as that slit moves across the sensor, the flash continually outputs a continuous string of pulsed flashes till the exposure is complete so that the whole of the scene gets even flash exposure.

It works best at moderate distances and fairly large apertures, as you're imposing a huge burden on your flashgun in meeting the demand the more you increase the distance or reduce the aperture. Macro is probably one of it's most useful applications where you can stop down quite a way before the flash starts to struggle due to the very short camera/subject distance.

Make sure you start out with fully charged batteries for Hi Speed Synch.
 
Thanks CT that was very informative. I think i will stay to the 1/250 limit.
 
HSS [High Speed Sync] is very limited, as CT says.
Unless you're shooting close-ups, its of hardly any practical use in general photography due to the flash-subject distance limitations. :bonk:
 
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